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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
March 18 2013 11:48 GMT
#61
Thanks for all the kind words everyone. I think I would have done really well as Protoss and I was really enjoying them in HotS, especially PvP. Deciding to quit was actually something I would never expect so early, but better opportunities showed up right now and I had to take them at the right moment. One of the things I learned is that once a good opportunity shows up you usually have a small time window for taking it and then it's gone forever. I could have very well just played terran again but I just evaluated the pros and cons and I think I am taking by far the most valuable choice by quitting.
I understand what some of you guys think after some of the things I've said, and it really doesn't matter anymore, I actually wish I was wrong and that this game will provide more skill intensive games like SCBW does. I'll keep watching some tournaments and maybe post some stuff in the live threads for fun.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-18 12:14:48
March 18 2013 11:49 GMT
#62
On March 18 2013 20:46 ppshchik wrote:
2. If SC2 is so random how come Flash was eating foreigners for breakfast in MLG.

You mean how can he even lose a single game vs Bly ? :D

@ppshchik : No. Not at all.
/troll
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
March 18 2013 11:51 GMT
#63
good luck Cloud
Cackle™
StaN.de
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany50 Posts
March 18 2013 11:51 GMT
#64
All the best Carlo
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
March 18 2013 11:58 GMT
#65
Good luck Cloud
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
March 18 2013 11:59 GMT
#66
On March 18 2013 20:48 AbstractSC wrote:
Well, the same way you gave us advice, I'd just like to give some advice back, in the best possible way.

Show nested quote +
I know very well within myself I could stand above any non korean progamer if I put enough dedication into it.


A lot of times in life, when you express an opinion, what you say can be equally important, as to HOW you say it. Even if what you're trying to communicate, has the best intentions, it's amazing how differently people respond when you actually express an opinion in such a way that shows no cockiness or personal ego. You probably already know that, and I'm not trying to bash you, and I know your actually giving us advice on that topic, but your comment above shows cockiness and ego, and perhaps you don't feel that way, but that's what your communicating. Also, a ton of foreigners can probably make the same statement and be more convincing... no offense.

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Honestly to me, used to such a competitive game as Starcraft, it felt more like playing poker rather than a real time strategy game.


Results so far in the Starcraft II era, for sure don't show that it's a luck based game. Yeah... sure there's luck. No one can deny that. But I can confidently say it's not even close to how much luck based is poker. And honestly you won't find almost any sport out there that doesn't have at least some luck involved.

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It's easy to get caught in the flow of what people think and their judgement and I ask the people here to think a bit more carefully before judging someone you don't know,


I think that should be advice both to us and to yourself, cause you have been bad mannered yourself in the past. And how do I know this? We've played a lot on the ladder and you weren't that nice to me...

Anyway I could point out a couple more things, but I'll end on a good note. Good Luck in whatever you do and Have Fun doing it.

I thought a lot about how to express myself, and I came to the conclusion that what works best for me is to just say what I think as honestly as I can. That might sound like cockiness to you but that's exactly what I believe and as long as my opinion is not hurting anyone I feel it's completely acceptable to express things that way. But you know everyone is different, I do things that way because I appreciate people who do the same, and I understand there are some who don't. That's just how it works, you can't please everybody, so why don't just be and please yourself in the first place?
Regarding my BM on the ladder, it occurred in periods when I was really stressed and as I could be extremely nice I can also be very rude when put in a bad mental condition (like almost everybody). If you are zerg and we played in the past year there's a very high chance I did. I apologize for that and I was wrong in doing so to you or anybody, that was the result of me playing a game I didn't really like as a profession for a prolonged period of time. Hope that didn't hurt your feelings or confidence, sometimes it's just hard to handle the stress of playing a lot
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Fallen750
Profile Joined December 2010
United States43 Posts
March 18 2013 12:04 GMT
#67
It is always saddening to see a good player leave the community. I haven't always liked and agreed with somethings that he has said, but he always speaks his mind. There is nothing wrong with that. Best of luck to you Cloud, it is a shame we will not be able to see what you could have brought to the table as a Protoss player.
Everything is going to be okay.
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
March 18 2013 12:07 GMT
#68
On March 18 2013 20:49 Glioburd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 20:46 ppshchik wrote:
2. If SC2 is so random how come Flash was eating foreigners for breakfast in MLG.

You mean how can he even lose a single game vs Bly ? :D
/troll


Dropping a game to Shine in a matured game like BW is a much bigger embarassment than
dropping a game to Bly in the first tiurny of a SC2 expansion back.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
March 18 2013 12:08 GMT
#69
good luck in your new career cloud! you can quit being a programer but don't quit being a part of the community
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-18 12:09:30
March 18 2013 12:09 GMT
#70
[image loading]

Good luck in your future endeavours
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 18 2013 12:12 GMT
#71
glgl

[image loading]
A backwards poet writes inverse.
w1nter
Profile Joined March 2011
Lithuania73 Posts
March 18 2013 12:21 GMT
#72
I know very well within myself I could stand above any non korean progamer if I put enough dedication into it,
oh please, just stop lying to yourself.
AbstractSC
Profile Joined April 2012
Greece28 Posts
March 18 2013 12:22 GMT
#73
I thought a lot about how to express myself, and I came to the conclusion that what works best for me is to just say what I think as honestly as I can. That might sound like cockiness to you but that's exactly what I believe and as long as my opinion is not hurting anyone I feel it's completely acceptable to express things that way. But you know everyone is different, I do things that way because I appreciate people who do the same, and I understand there are some who don't. That's just how it works, you can't please everybody, so why don't just be and please yourself in the first place?
Regarding my BM on the ladder, it occurred in periods when I was really stressed and as I could be extremely nice I can also be very rude when put in a bad mental condition (like almost everybody). If you are zerg and we played in the past year there's a very high chance I did. I apologize for that and I was wrong in doing so to you or anybody, that was the result of me playing a game I didn't really like as a profession for a prolonged period of time. Hope that didn't hurt your feelings or confidence, sometimes it's just hard to handle the stress of playing a lot


Well I am Zerg and we did play the last year. And no you didn't hurt my feelings and I 100% understand stress. I've been playing chess competitively for years and I trust me I know about stress.

But other than that, I don't think its WHAT you said publicly that made people mad at you. And I don't know you personally well enough to draw any conclusions whether you are cocky or have a huge ego. It's HOW you communicated your message that I think bothered people the most. And just to give you a simple example of what I mean, imagine if my post was written in such a way, where, even if I were saying the same things, my words expressed more anger than my willingness to give advice back... You probably wouldn't even read it, or read it and think "who is this asshole...". Even if the message was the same.
I recall you expressed your disdain about certain casters, and if you recall a lot of notable people agreed, (i agreed myself, and I still do.) however the way you said made it sound more like your hating, instead of trying to pass a message for a better future, which probably was your intention anyway. You can STILL be yourself, but not everyone knows who you are or what your intentions are, so it's only natural people misinterpret.
"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."-Sima Yi
Sipario
Profile Joined November 2009
Italy206 Posts
March 18 2013 12:22 GMT
#74
Bad news, u're the only italian champion on international stage. I know it was a difficult decision, closing a long chapter of your life when u' re still competive as u shown to be at the last Vasacast Invitational playing vs TLO, WhiteRa or Vortix .

Good Luck for the future, me and Pata waiting for own u on BW

See u Cloud
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
March 18 2013 12:24 GMT
#75
Noo the cookie monster guy

Hope you do well in whatever you do, peace out
In the woods, there lurks..
Quakie
Profile Joined October 2008
Norway725 Posts
March 18 2013 12:25 GMT
#76
What good opportunity showed up?^^ I wish you good luck whatever it is!
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
March 18 2013 12:28 GMT
#77
On March 18 2013 21:25 Quakie wrote:
What good opportunity showed up?^^ I wish you good luck whatever it is!

I had the opportunity to be coached by some of the best italian poker players right now and I'm going to try poker with my best friend (who also is an italian rts champion) for the next year. I'm confident I will do well, and in case I don't like it I have several options prepared. It just happened right now and I thought I should have taken the chance while I could. Poker is a really fun to play and complex game and it also allows to compete and travel while making a lot more money than with SC2. If that didn't happen I would have played for the next year or two, but not more than that for sure.
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MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
March 18 2013 12:29 GMT
#78
After seeing you play at the Vasacast I was just thinking you had finally nailed it, then you switched to Protoss.
Then I thought: well, it's more micro intensive, it's going to suit him better... and now you quit T______T
A real shame, but we generally forget that behind a player there's a person as well.

Gl in your life, please stay around!
Your Opinion has been counted. Only 3 more Opinions needed for a reddit thread.
yokohama
Profile Joined February 2005
United States1116 Posts
March 18 2013 12:32 GMT
#79
Good luck with your Poker endeavors Cloud! You were both a great BW and SC2 player, the foreign scene won't be the same without an old school guy like you around. Sad news, but I wish you the best :D
diejule
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany416 Posts
March 18 2013 12:32 GMT
#80
hello cloud, this is julia from esl. you realized as one of the few people that I have been working 16 years to create great esports events and you gave me credit for my hard work, just as I gave you credit for your achievements and hard work as a progamer. we did not become closest friends but close enough to add each other on facebook and we have had a professional event organizer - progamer relationship, a relationship just the way it should be with patience and respect. Therefore I am on the one hand deeply in shock because my favourite Italian PROTOSS will not play for me anymore and give me moments of awe and entertainment, on the other hand you are such an incredible grown up person now coming from your esports history, that you can make a decision that a michael schumacher and many others cannot make. you move on and you leave with dignity, I hope I can print your goodbye post in the esports yearbook and I will be happy to see you at gamescom.
yours

Julia
Stay open minded. Always.
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