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I've always been a pretty down-in-the-dumps person, but lately I'm finding it hard to do anything. When I look for inspiration and watch or read interviews of my favorite authors or musicians, I become discouraged.
From what I've noticed in the world, life is, in essence, about delusions. To put forth effort and to give one's life meaning, people delude themselves in one of two ways:
A) Either by dreams of immortality, being by religious or spiritual means
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B) the notion that upholding of certain values makes ones life more meaningful than one that doesn't
But what delusions can I, a nihilist, embrace? I believe in no objective truth, and even if there was a God, it would be just as worthless as the chair I'm sitting on-- as the poem Incognito says, "the world is my excuse for existing".
As soon as I try to accomplish a task or goal, my brain immediately tells me "this is worthless, in 60 years you will cease to be a conscious entity. The passage of time is inexorable and your life will flash by. When you are 80 years old, it will feel as if you were born yesterday, every experience between your birth and then rendered meaningless by the fact that they will all soon be permanently erased.
I'm not a psychopath, I still have access to my biological code. I acknowledge happiness and that my mind does not want me to do things that take away that happiness, but I still don't regard happiness as anything positive or negative-- simply as worthless as everything else in this expanse of space.
The happiest I've ever been was when I drank a lot, about a fifth a night. The toxins empowered me, and gave me a so called "delusion to exist" that everyone else seems to have which I crave. But, I do not drink so much anymore as it caused me quite a lot of complications.
Currently I'm unemployed, taking a few classes a semester-- sleeping through every class, not studying, and doing the bare minimum to pass, with no goals or hope for anything in the future.
So to fellow nihilists, or anyone else I guess, from where do you draw your inspirations? Or am I mistaken, and your everyday is just as much a struggle as mine and you simply force yourselves down the superfluous and arduous task of existence for no reason at all?
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Nihilism is nonsense. To assert that there is no objective truth is a contradiction in itself, unless you take the soft-nihilism of shrugging your shoulders and just saying "i dunno," which is a cop-out.
The mere fact that things are constructed also does not diminish their reality - sure, a bat is constructed, its being determined by the frameworks of society - but that doesn't make it hurt any less when someone smacks it into your face.
You should check with a doctor, you could very well have a chemical imbalance if you find yourself so consistently down in the dumps and unable to motivate yourself to do anything.
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just think if every human that came before you shared that "whats the point attitude" you wouldnt be pissing and moaning on a computer right now. you would be squatting in some shit hole cave freezing your ass off and wondering if tonight would be the night a pack of sabre tooth tigers break in and feast on your insides. seems like thats all the inspiration one should need.
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Seems like you use the word nihilist quite a lot but you have yet to figure that there are two sorts of nihilism. Alas you seem affected by the unhealthy version. Anyway to answer the question your inspiration should always be the great men of the past.
And since you seem a bit depressed i will link you this wonderful passage of Thus Spake Zarathustra because you know Nietzsche was THE expert on nihilism. + Show Spoiler +
The Cry of Distress
The next day sat Zarathustra again on the stone in front of his cave, whilst his animals roved about in the world outside to bring home new food,- also new honey: for Zarathustra had spent and wasted the old honey to the very last particle. When he thus sat, however, with a stick in his hand, tracing the shadow of his figure on the earth, and reflecting- verily! not upon himself and his shadow,- all at once he startled and shrank back: for he saw another shadow beside his own. And when he hastily looked around and stood up, behold, there stood the soothsayer beside him, the same whom he had once given to eat and drink at his table, the proclaimer of the great weariness, who taught: "All is alike, nothing is worth while, the world is without meaning, knowledge strangles." But his face had changed since then; and when Zarathustra looked into his eyes, his heart was startled once more: so much evil announcement and ashy-grey lightnings passed over that countenance.
The soothsayer, who had perceived what went on in Zarathustra's soul, wiped his face with his hand, as if he would wipe out the impression; the same did also Zarathustra. And when both of them had thus silently composed and strengthened themselves, they gave each other the hand, as a token that they wanted once more to recognize each other.
"Welcome here," said Zarathustra, "you soothsayer of the great weariness, not in vain shall you once have been my messmate and guest. Eat and drink also with me to-day, and forgive it that a cheerful old man sits with you at table!"- "A cheerful old man?" answered the soothsayer, shaking his head, "but whoever you are, or would be, O Zarathustra, you have been here aloft the longest time,- in a little while your bark shall no longer rest on dry land!"- "Do I then rest on dry land?"- asked Zarathustra, laughing.- "The waves around your mountain," answered the soothsayer, "rise and rise, the waves of great distress and affliction: they will soon raise your bark also and carry you away."- Then was Zarathustra silent and wondered.- "Do you still hear nothing?" continued the soothsayer: "does it not rush and roar out of the depth?"- Zarathustra was silent once more and listened: then heard he a long, long cry, which the abysses threw to one another and passed on; for none of them wished to retain it: so evil did it sound.
"You ill announcer," said Zarathustra at last, "that is a cry of distress, and the cry of a man; it may come perhaps out of a black sea. But what does human distress matter to me! My last sin which has been reserved for me,- know you what it is called?"
-"Pity!" answered the soothsayer from an overflowing heart, and raised both his hands aloft- "O Zarathustra, I have come that I may seduce you to your last sin!"-
And hardly had those words been uttered when there sounded the cry once more, and longer and more alarming than before- also much nearer. "Hear you? Hear you, O Zarathustra?" called out the soothsayer, "the cry concerns you, it calls you: Come, come, come; it is time, it is the highest time!"-
Zarathustra was silent then, confused and staggered; at last he asked, like one who hesitates in himself: "And who is it that there calls me?"
"But you know it, certainly," answered the soothsayer warmly, "why do you conceal yourself? It is the higher man that cries for you!"
"The higher man?" cried Zarathustra, horror-stricken: "what wants he? What wants he? The higher man! What wants he here?"- and his skin covered with perspiration.
The soothsayer, however, did not heed Zarathustra's alarm, but listened and listened in the downward direction. When, however, it had been still there for a long while, he looked behind, and saw Zarathustra standing trembling.
"O Zarathustra," he began, with sorrowful voice, "you do not stand there like one whose happiness makes him giddy: you will have to dance lest you tumble down!
But although you should dance before me, and leap all your side-leaps, no one may say to me: 'Behold, here dances the last joyous man!'
In vain would any one come to this height who sought him here: caves would he find, indeed, and back-caves, hiding-places for hidden ones; but not lucky mines, nor treasure-chambers, nor new gold-veins of happiness.
Happiness- how indeed could one find happiness among such buried-alive and solitary ones! Must I yet seek the last happiness on the Blessed isles, and far away among forgotten seas?
But all is alike, nothing is worth while, no seeking is of service, there are no longer any Blessed isles!"- -
Thus sighed the soothsayer; with his last sigh, however, Zarathustra again became serene and assured, like one who has come out of a deep chasm into the light. "No! No! Three times No!" exclaimed he with a strong voice, and stroked his beard- "that do I know better! There are still Blessed isles! Silence then, you sighing sorrow-sack!
Cease to splash, you rain-cloud of the forenoon! Do I not already stand here wet with your misery, and drenched like a dog?
Now do I shake myself and run away from you, that I may again become dry: thereat may you not wonder! Do I seem to you discourteous? Here however is my court.
But as regards the higher man: well! I shall seek him at once in those forests: from thence came his cry. Perhaps he is there hard beset by an evil beast.
He is in my domain: therein shall he receive no scath! And verily, there are many evil beasts about me."-
With those words Zarathustra turned around to depart. Then said the soothsayer: "O Zarathustra, you are a rogue!
I know it well: you would rather be rid of me! Rather would you run into the forest and lay snares for evil beasts!
But what good will it do you? In the evening will you have me again: in your own cave will I sit, patient and heavy like a block- and wait for you!"
"So be it!" shouted back Zarathustra, as he went away: "and what is my in my cave belongs also to you, my guest!
Should you however find honey therein, well! Just lick it up, you growling bear, and sweeten your soul! For in the evening we want both to be in good spirits;
-In good spirits and joyful, because this day has come to an end! And you yourself shall dance to my lays, as my dancing-bear.
You do not believe this? you shake your head? Well! Cheer up, old bear! But I also- am a soothsayer."
Thus spoke Zarathustra.
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If nothing matters, that's not cause for sadness, it means you're free! Life is a big choose-your-own-adventure book, and you don't get to go back or look ahead. You can only go until you reach the end, whatever that turns out to be. It doesn't matter what ending you get, really, and it's just a story, but it's still fun and exciting and dramatic.
I agree, there is no higher purpose or deeper meaning behind life, but that just means it's up to you to decide what's meaningful. Live your life the way you want to, and make the best use of your time that you can. As you say, you're only going to exist for another several decades at the most -- shouldn't you be out doing awesome stuff with that time instead of bitching about it? I suspect you're mistaking self-pity for deep insight.
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I have a similar ideal, things I do don't matter and I get discouraged. So now I just don't give an fuck and do things I like, makes life a lot simpler (also trying not to think about the past at all helps alot).
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On January 06 2013 10:32 Coagulation wrote: just think if every human that came before you shared that "whats the point attitude" you wouldnt be pissing and moaning on a computer right now. you would be squatting in some shit hole cave freezing your ass off and wondering if tonight would be the night a pack of sabre tooth tigers break in and feast on your insides. seems like thats all the inspiration one should need. I for one slightly disagree with that. Maybe I'm just young and naive but I feel society is not likely to make a turn for the better. Before, advancements were possible. But now I feel with everyone being hellbent on making money, any revolutionary advancements in any currently existing technology is likely going to result in large companies selling those revolutionary products for ridiculous prices. Theoretically should we make an extremely or even fuel independent car, it doesn't matter what it is made of but I bet whoever gets their hands on such technology, regardless of production costs would charge a fortune for such a thing. As a single person, it's not possible to create an actual positive mark on the world. Maybe I'm just a huge pessimist, I hope so...
Either way, I do find a bit of a point in existence :D. I like a challenge, I sometimes set borderline silly goals and the doubt I receive from others motivates me. And I guess I'd be considered a perfectionist? The greater I get at things, the more drive I have to become better and do whatever I can to be as close to perfect as possible, it's not a plausible thing but it's something. As I said I've given up most hope on improving the world, and just set my sights on creating a successful life for myself.
As for the inevitability of death, well... I used to be concerned, I'm a little daunted by the thought of when we all drive our race into the ground, there is no life out there that we still know of. I hope there is, and that they do better than us... but hey, that's a long way off and I really have managed to come to terms with the thought of "that's not my problem" and I just want to live out what time I have in happiness. I guess, I do enjoy happiness very much, though I don't think I find it as often as I'd like.
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Nihilism is bullshit, if you were a Nihilist you wouldn't care so much to write this blog. If all forms of happiness to you is a lie then why not just lie to yourself?
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I'm from the A-category and I would agree everything you just said if that were not the case. I'm not trying to insult you by saying that "I've been there" as if I know all there is to know about you. But I do believe we all change during life and external sources can force such a change upon us. In my case I believe Jesus to be the source of that power. Of course, you might describe it otherwise but that's just my interpretation of my life. I believe you're on to something when you say that:
On January 06 2013 09:06 decado90 wrote: Or am I mistaken, and your everyday is just as much a struggle as mine and you simply force yourselves down the superfluous and arduous task of existence for no reason at all?
However, I do not believe you will find a lot of confirmation for that idea on this forum simply because the community consists of mostly young people. I think many of us are just too busy with our own "delusions", as you put it, without even being aware of it. I think you'd find a lot more people belonging to the category of your quote among above middle-aged people. It's called a "mid-life crisis" for a reason. And I don't believe it's something that just happens to you and then you move on. In my opinion, the crisis is something very real and we all need to face it in some way.
If I were to give you any advice it would be to accept the fact that you do want meaning in your life. Seek it! Do not give up just because you do not see it. At the very least, the search in itself might give you some purpose.
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B) the notion that upholding of certain values makes ones life more meaningful than one that doesn't
How is this a delusion? For many people, doing certain things elicits positive responses in the brain (positive emotions, positive actions and reactions, and all around good feelings and results) and so it's highly logical to repeat those over and over again. Helping others, doing fun hobbies, or eating warm chocolate chip cookies and cold milk might all seem sensible to a person because they make you feel good and they might give your life some small, personal meaning.
Your life's meaning is whatever you make of it. That doesn't mean you should look down on others for taking different paths to happiness (unless they're doing things you consider bad), but it's silly to think that merely finding value in life and experiences is a delusion.
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