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ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
December 12 2012 04:05 GMT
#21
On December 12 2012 13:04 AgentW wrote:
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On December 12 2012 13:03 ampson wrote:
I'd also like to point out that while it's not scoring you any points, being Caucasian is not hurting you much. What the Ivies really don't want more of are Asians and Jews. So as long as you are not Asian or Jewish, your race credentials are not too bad.

They don't ask if you're Jewish....

They can tell most of the time. And there is an optional religion category.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 12 2012 04:07 GMT
#22
On December 12 2012 13:05 ampson wrote:
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On December 12 2012 13:04 AgentW wrote:
On December 12 2012 13:03 ampson wrote:
I'd also like to point out that while it's not scoring you any points, being Caucasian is not hurting you much. What the Ivies really don't want more of are Asians and Jews. So as long as you are not Asian or Jewish, your race credentials are not too bad.

They don't ask if you're Jewish....

They can tell most of the time. And there is an optional religion category.

Huh, I don't remember that. I'm assuming I filled it out now that I think about it. Hope that didn't affect my application.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
December 12 2012 04:10 GMT
#23
On December 12 2012 13:07 AgentW wrote:
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On December 12 2012 13:05 ampson wrote:
On December 12 2012 13:04 AgentW wrote:
On December 12 2012 13:03 ampson wrote:
I'd also like to point out that while it's not scoring you any points, being Caucasian is not hurting you much. What the Ivies really don't want more of are Asians and Jews. So as long as you are not Asian or Jewish, your race credentials are not too bad.

They don't ask if you're Jewish....

They can tell most of the time. And there is an optional religion category.

Huh, I don't remember that. I'm assuming I filled it out now that I think about it. Hope that didn't affect my application.


It's not nearly as bad now as it used to be, but the Ivies, Harvard in particular, have a terrible history of discriminating against Jewish applicants simply because there are so many good ones (as well as a bit of anti-semetism). Nowadays it's the asians who are most screwed, as there are simply so many good ones and top universities still highly value diversity (they don't want an all Asian class). Jews and Asians are simply the highest-performing applicants, and as such must be even more amazing to stand out and be one of the few Jews/Asians admitted.

Where did you apply to, I'm curious
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46570 Posts
December 12 2012 04:11 GMT
#24
On December 12 2012 13:03 AgentW wrote:
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On December 12 2012 12:56 darthfoley wrote:
On December 12 2012 12:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On December 12 2012 12:34 darthfoley wrote:
On December 12 2012 12:29 AgentW wrote:
On December 12 2012 12:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
As I was reading down your list, I was really impressed with your Pros

And then I was like Wow, your standardized test scores are crap Did you take the SAT more than once? Did you prepare or get tutored or anything?

Exactly what I thought. Was really, really impressed by the pros, but my test scores beat his pretty handily, I went to a very good high school, did very well, extracurriculars etc. and didn't have a sniff at Harvard. I think the real chance he has is that big Ivys, like Harvard, don't necessarily care a ton about test scores, more the "uniqueness" factor that an applicant can bring. The real question, and I think this has been asked, is: are the scores good enough to not matter? Honestly, I don't think so.

May I ask what you scored on reading+math?


I scored merely at 1300 flat on the CR/M.

Idk man, it's really depressing. The SAT just isn't my thing i guess. It really annoys me though because college isn't one 4 hour long test.

For my sake, i hope you're wrong. I'm unique and i hope it showed.


I agree with AgentW that the uniqueness of the applicants (that X factor that each student needs to bring out in their applications) really starts to become important with the Ivy League schools... but the pool of students they care about is still in regards to the top scoring individuals as far as I know. I'm pretty sure the understanding is "Okay, a hundred kids all have 2400s on their SAT... now which of them has that X factor we want?" I don't think X factor > solid test scores.

Regardless, good luck I hope I'm wrong ^^


Yea, you're probably right. Oh well


No matter how cynical or perhaps realistic DPB and I are, you absolutely cannot think like that. I had a friend in HS who wanted to G'Town so badly, but she always said she wouldn't get in. She didn't get in.

Half of the battle is fought before the battle begins. Faith is critical to success. Sometimes you will fail, but you cannot be expecting failure.

Also consider we haven't read your essays, letters etc. If they were truly wowing, they can get you where you want to go.


Those are good points.

And I'd also like to add that college is 100% what you make of it.

I have friends who went to Ivy League schools and felt they completely wasted their time and money. I have other friends who went to slightly lower ranked schools but felt they earned the most wonderful education, and had the times of their lives. While the piece of paper you get after 4 years might be slightly more prestigious if you go to Harvard, it won't mean shit if you don't actually learn how to become a responsible, well-educated, and well-rounded adult. And that's strictly up to how you spend your time at your university. It's up to you to define your college experience, and it can be amazing regardless of what college you end up at.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 04:14:56
December 12 2012 04:14 GMT
#25
On December 12 2012 13:10 ampson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 13:07 AgentW wrote:
On December 12 2012 13:05 ampson wrote:
On December 12 2012 13:04 AgentW wrote:
On December 12 2012 13:03 ampson wrote:
I'd also like to point out that while it's not scoring you any points, being Caucasian is not hurting you much. What the Ivies really don't want more of are Asians and Jews. So as long as you are not Asian or Jewish, your race credentials are not too bad.

They don't ask if you're Jewish....

They can tell most of the time. And there is an optional religion category.

Huh, I don't remember that. I'm assuming I filled it out now that I think about it. Hope that didn't affect my application.


It's not nearly as bad now as it used to be, but the Ivies, Harvard in particular, have a terrible history of discriminating against Jewish applicants simply because there are so many good ones (as well as a bit of anti-semetism). Nowadays it's the asians who are most screwed, as there are simply so many good ones and top universities still highly value diversity (they don't want an all Asian class). Jews and Asians are simply the highest-performing applicants, and as such must be even more amazing to stand out and be one of the few Jews/Asians admitted.

Where did you apply to, I'm curious


Harvard was the "shoot for the moon as a joke" school. Probably next most prestigious was Carnegie Mellon.

Those are good points.

And I'd also like to add that college is 100% what you make of it.

I have friends who went to Ivy League schools and felt they completely wasted their time and money. I have other friends who went to slightly lower ranked schools but felt they earned the most wonderful education, and had the times of their lives. While the piece of paper you get after 4 years might be slightly more prestigious if you go to Harvard, it won't mean shit if you don't actually learn how to become a responsible, well-educated, and well-rounded adult. And that's strictly up to how you spend your time at your university. It's up to you to define your college experience, and it can be amazing regardless of what college you end up at.


This.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
December 12 2012 04:19 GMT
#26
I think towards the end of senior year most people (at least those who are somewhat mature) really begin to understand how meaningless college admissions processes usually are. There are both terrifically underqualified and overqualified people at every school, and yes, college is ultimately what you make of it. Getting into a school is only the beginning--doing well in college is the challenge ahead. I trust that by the end of your first quarter/semester and finals you'll have seen the big picture--what was this fuss about admissions in the first place?


I went through this time myself and it's something everyone goes through, just don't take it too seriously either way.
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PS I neglected to mention that I was also a National Merit Finalist
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alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
December 12 2012 04:22 GMT
#27
Just for added emphasis: This!

Where you end up, as long as it is a decent school really doesn't matter. Just make the best of it. Go to office hours, get to know your professors, do interesting extracurricular activities, start thinking about your career interests early in college, so you can do activities that pertain to them. Take advantage of programs that hook you up with alumni in the fields that you are interested in. Get to know what the typical career path is for the fields you're interested in.

Basically, anywhere you go you'll be fine if you do the above things.

On December 12 2012 12:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:

And I'd also like to add that college is 100% what you make of it.

I have friends who went to Ivy League schools and felt they completely wasted their time and money. I have other friends who went to slightly lower ranked schools but felt they earned the most wonderful education, and had the times of their lives. While the piece of paper you get after 4 years might be slightly more prestigious if you go to Harvard, it won't mean shit if you don't actually learn how to become a responsible, well-educated, and well-rounded adult. And that's strictly up to how you spend your time at your university. It's up to you to define your college experience, and it can be amazing regardless of what college you end up at.

iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 12 2012 04:28 GMT
#28
Haha I was once like one of you guys.. Near-perfect SAT, top of my class, took something like 15 AP classes. Ended up getting rejected not only by all the Ivies, but every school except my safest safety school. I love my school though and I wouldn't trade it for a shot to go to any "prestigious" Ivy League university. In the end nobody cares about where you got your degree, including employers and grad schools. I hope you guys don't think your rejections too seriously, I know I had many sleepless nights after I got all letters back.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
December 12 2012 04:29 GMT
#29
Another question for the OP? How the hell do you have time to play SC2/Dota2? You do so much stuff!
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1342 Posts
December 12 2012 04:56 GMT
#30
Good luck! Let us know what happens
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
December 12 2012 04:57 GMT
#31
On December 12 2012 13:29 AgentW wrote:
Another question for the OP? How the hell do you have time to play SC2/Dota2? You do so much stuff!


Ha, I am a SC2 player. I split my time really between school/ec/video games. However, the last half of JR year and my whole senior year has been so busy, i've REALLY stepped down my playing. I was top 8 diamond consistently before this year, now i just play HoTS for fun. Perhaps that will change after all my apps are done.

I really appreciate all the feedback, guys. I just want to make my school proud honestly. We had one black girl get into harvard 3 years ago, and that's about it. Only one other person in my entire class (313) is applying to any Ivy school. My school is pretty unambitious...
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 04:58:55
December 12 2012 04:57 GMT
#32
On December 12 2012 13:29 AgentW wrote:
Another question for the OP? How the hell do you have time to play SC2/Dota2? You do so much stuff!

You just get used to it lol, I'm on TL while doing 3 labs before finals, turned in my TOK Essay that I bullshitted the shit out of, have to finish history, etc. You just fucking do it. I wish my GPA was higher though, I really suck dick at testing -_-.

EDIT: OH btw, I'm jewish. FUCKING STUPID, OMFG WHY DO THEY HATE ME SO MUCH GAHHH. ARGGGGGG. My first choice is Stanford and I'm pretty sure their 5% acceptance rate is not keen towards my kind lol.
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Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
December 12 2012 06:17 GMT
#33
I just got rejected from Caltech on the sole grounds that I haven't done research in high school or done a math competition. Don't worry about not getting into your favorite school, just look past it and try and achieve another goal.

For me it is getting into Caltech for grad school (which is why I wanted to go there in the first place lol).
"HotBid [11:45 AM]: i dunno i kinda like the big muta shooting smaller mutas out"
Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
December 12 2012 06:21 GMT
#34
On December 12 2012 13:29 AgentW wrote:
Another question for the OP? How the hell do you have time to play SC2/Dota2? You do so much stuff!


I don't do really any extracurriculars because of coursework, so last week (kinda a busy week but still pretty normal) I would come home at 2:50, do homework until around 5:30 or 6, eat dinner, homework until 9 or 10, then play stuff till midnight.
"HotBid [11:45 AM]: i dunno i kinda like the big muta shooting smaller mutas out"
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
December 12 2012 06:31 GMT
#35
Can't believe its been a year since I did all this! I actually remember you from a year ago, too.

that SAT score might hurt you (it certainly hurt me I think), but honestly I think your personal statements are a lot more important. Acceptances are more how unique you are from others and that shows the most in the statements and not in your stats. Also you'll find that very little of that will matter when you get to college :p.

I was certainly disappointed not getting into Notre Dame (I was so bitter that my anger turned into an undefeated season lol), but after a semester, I wouldn't trade my time at U of I for anything.

I've met the best people and made so many friends, learned so much about myself, etc. Even now as I'm taking a study break from finals studying I'm really appreciating the circumstances that made me come here.

So don't stress. You'll get in wherever you're meant to be, its all on you to make it the best you can.

Also don't go into debt
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
LeafMeAlone
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 07:15:24
December 12 2012 07:09 GMT
#36
If this guy makes you feel bad, go to College Confidential. T_T_T_T_T Good thing I'm not aiming for an Ivy or I'd be severely depressed from reading their 2400 SAT's/4.0/tons of extracurriculars/hooks.

@OP GL on getting accepted . Realistically I don't think you'll make it but you never know.
~_~
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 07:16:03
December 12 2012 07:15 GMT
#37
you're probably fine

its not like they fill the entire class with perfect SAT people, they want diversity, and you have some really solid extracurriculars and fine academics, especially if you're from a low-regarded highschool, they'll like that

I think you have all necessary qualifications, the thing with Ivies is, once you have good enough scores and extracurriculars and stuff, it's all random from there. If you're not accepted, it's not because you weren't qualified enough, just someone else caught their eye for something random, cuz they get so many qualified applicants

also remember even if you don't make early action, you can apply again. I personally applied early decision to Princeton and was deferred. I spent a couple weeks really pissed off, then got another rec letter and wrote an "update to application" letter and lo-and-behold, I was accepted during the regular round

on that note, if the EA at Harvard doesn't work, apply to Princeton! We desperately need good football players......

edit: whatever you do don't go to college confidential, that site will just make your anxiety worse, I guarantee it
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LeafMeAlone
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 07:19:45
December 12 2012 07:19 GMT
#38
On December 12 2012 16:15 jubil wrote:
edit: whatever you do don't go to college confidential, that site will just make your anxiety worse, I guarantee it


^ Yeah haha don't do it. Especially after taking the SAT/ACT's then you get to know all the answers you got wrong and why you got them wrong.
~_~
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
December 12 2012 10:08 GMT
#39
I got rejected from University of Florida with a 1590 (of 1600) SAT score and 4.8 GPA and being a legacy with a large list of extra curriculars. sometimes you are just not the person they are looking for.
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 14:55:15
December 12 2012 14:54 GMT
#40
I'll be rooting for you, your essay topic sounds really interesting, i'm curious if that's a literal or figurative title.

P.S. i.e. is "in other words". e.g. is "for example".
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