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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 08 2012 05:37 GMT
#21
On December 08 2012 14:24 Al Bundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 13:53 fabiano wrote:
Ok, just watched Stats vs Jaedong.

SC2 units are a joke.

Why is Jaedong always stuck with a team below his level?

The build Stats used on this particular map is extremely hard to deal with. Like someone else said, sending a Z against a P on that map was not the best decision ever.


The maps were drawn after the player lineups were set up. It was changed so we don't get mirror matchups every game like last season.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
December 08 2012 05:54 GMT
#22
On December 08 2012 14:37 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 14:24 Al Bundy wrote:
On December 08 2012 13:53 fabiano wrote:
Ok, just watched Stats vs Jaedong.

SC2 units are a joke.

Why is Jaedong always stuck with a team below his level?

The build Stats used on this particular map is extremely hard to deal with. Like someone else said, sending a Z against a P on that map was not the best decision ever.


The maps were drawn after the player lineups were set up. It was changed so we don't get mirror matchups every game like last season.
I thought I heard DoA say on stream that the teams decided which players to send out on which maps.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 08 2012 06:02 GMT
#23
On December 08 2012 14:54 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 14:37 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On December 08 2012 14:24 Al Bundy wrote:
On December 08 2012 13:53 fabiano wrote:
Ok, just watched Stats vs Jaedong.

SC2 units are a joke.

Why is Jaedong always stuck with a team below his level?

The build Stats used on this particular map is extremely hard to deal with. Like someone else said, sending a Z against a P on that map was not the best decision ever.


The maps were drawn after the player lineups were set up. It was changed so we don't get mirror matchups every game like last season.
I thought I heard DoA say on stream that the teams decided which players to send out on which maps.


I remember reading about it in the proleague announcement thread, but now I can't find it after skimming the first few pages.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
December 08 2012 06:08 GMT
#24
It is pretty darn cool to see Jaedong and Stephano on the same team.
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casualman
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1198 Posts
December 08 2012 06:36 GMT
#25
Yeah....apparently not.
GuMiho <3
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
December 08 2012 08:43 GMT
#26
On December 08 2012 14:37 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 14:24 Al Bundy wrote:
On December 08 2012 13:53 fabiano wrote:
Ok, just watched Stats vs Jaedong.

SC2 units are a joke.

Why is Jaedong always stuck with a team below his level?

The build Stats used on this particular map is extremely hard to deal with. Like someone else said, sending a Z against a P on that map was not the best decision ever.


The maps were drawn after the player lineups were set up. It was changed so we don't get mirror matchups every game like last season.

If this is true Bisu is even more screwed.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 08:52:06
December 08 2012 08:51 GMT
#27
I feel like Thorzain was the most impressive player of the team... haha. All of them kind of rolled over and died, but still. >: (
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
December 08 2012 09:21 GMT
#28
The foreigners are here! Everyone despair!

Guess not.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
December 08 2012 14:31 GMT
#29
On December 08 2012 17:51 Alryk wrote:
I feel like Thorzain was the most impressive player of the team... haha. All of them kind of rolled over and died, but still. >: (

But thorzain did roll over and die, he had a decent advantage in the game too, all he had to do was realize wtf the zerg was doing to win.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
December 08 2012 15:04 GMT
#30
On December 08 2012 23:31 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 17:51 Alryk wrote:
I feel like Thorzain was the most impressive player of the team... haha. All of them kind of rolled over and died, but still. >: (

But thorzain did roll over and die, he had a decent advantage in the game too, all he had to do was realize wtf the zerg was doing to win.


sooo much harder to do that you make it sound
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
KoBlades
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria248 Posts
December 08 2012 15:14 GMT
#31
It was really kinda anticlimactic but we have to realise that the best players of EGTL haven't played yet, i mean zenio and thorzain aren't really the ones you can expect carrying the team, sadly.
"What do you know about fear?" -"Everything."
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
December 08 2012 16:27 GMT
#32
Fully agree with the OP, its actually so freakin mindboggling... TL/EG players in the same team as Jaedong, playing against the likes of CJ, SKT, KT, woongjin.... wtf man, wtf
beep boop
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 08 2012 16:53 GMT
#33
Don't agree with this since it's a different game. Meaning, this holds no significance at all because there is barely any connection besides a few teams and PL as an institution.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 08 2012 16:53 GMT
#34
--- Nuked ---
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
December 08 2012 17:00 GMT
#35
On December 08 2012 14:25 TeuTeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2012 13:53 fabiano wrote:
Ok, just watched Stats vs Jaedong.

SC2 units are a joke.

Why is Jaedong always stuck with a team below his level?


Zenio didn't look half bad vs FLASH (yes, you read that right God himself), and the other games were meh, but still.

For me it look like Flash was bulling the 8 year old kid. Zenio had no idea how to play that map.
Haee
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
522 Posts
December 08 2012 18:07 GMT
#36
Is this really a dream if the game in context is totally different? JD, Flash or Bisu haven't established themselves in SC2 like they did in Brood War and this specific significance to me holds little weight given that the only thing to me that carries over are the names and the league they play in.

I mean IMO, you still cannot place a foreigner and Flash in the same sentence within the context of Brood War but that changes when you swap the words BW with SC2. Please don't take this the wrong way, I really do like SC2 but I just cannot understand the "true significance" behind it.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10318 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 19:50:37
December 08 2012 19:49 GMT
#37
The only problem is that this is all possible only thanks to SC2, the death of BW, and the late transition of KeSPA players to SC2. The fact that none of these players (and players much better than them at BW) would have held a candle to the likes of Jaedong and Flash in BW makes this SC2 ProLeague feel like a farce to me.

But hey, the times are a changin', some people are souped and some people dismayed. That's how it is with everything in life.

In the end, this is my sentiment, perhaps unfortunately:

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"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
December 08 2012 20:23 GMT
#38
With many players though you cant just say "They were naturally superior than these SC2 players", because how would you know how someone like HerO (a teammate of Jaedong), or a Taeja would have developed, with someone like MC maybe its a different story but you cant just generalize and put all players into that category
new game, new motivation, new mentality, we will see if ESF/GSTL teams will hold up a candle compared to kespa teams in the long term
beep boop
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
December 08 2012 20:42 GMT
#39
"Two teams that had never been in GSTL (beyond the one season Liquid-oGs partnership) were suddenly the collective favorites to win the Shinhan Proleague."

oGs-TL was several seasons, Liquid played a full season by itself, and Slayers-EG made it to the finals. Both teams were fairly experienced with GSTL.
esports
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
December 08 2012 21:00 GMT
#40
On December 08 2012 12:51 Liquid`NonY wrote:
It was pretty damn likely that I would have gotten my opportunity to play some Proleague matches in summer 2009 (I arrived December 2008, left in February 2009). But because of the circumstances, there was a very low chance of me staying. So you could say I was close in the sense that I only had to stay and grind out four more months. There are certainly times when I wish I had said fuck it all and stayed and did it, especially with how things have actually turned out four years later. Oh well! This doesn't take anything away from your point though. Just a point of pride for me.


Obviously it's not in my place to say anything but I think you would have done great in Proleague/the team if the Korean teams were more tolerant lols...talent just had to get shat on by Koreans being Koreans
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
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