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Is it still wasting time if you enjoy it?

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Fumanchu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada669 Posts
October 19 2012 15:13 GMT
#1
It's a debate that strikes up here on TL often enough that I'm wondering what other people think about the matter.

Now the general consensus, at least on TL, is that as long as you enjoy what you're doing, it's not a waste of time.

IMO however, enjoyment does not negate wasting time. Rather all that it proves, is that you don't mind wasting your time in a particular activity.

The real problem is that the term, "wasting time", is too vague and can leave much open to interpretation. It also leaves a giant doorway open to rationalization. i.e. "I'm not wasting time doing X, because I'm doing it with my friends".

I think the only true definition of wasting time is that if you partake in an activity in which prior to starting, you had knowledge of a different activity which could have benefited you more.

The only problem with this definition is that it's hard to accurately accuse someone of wasting time. If they truly had absolutely nothing else to do, then watching day time soaps was indeed not a waste of time. I find this especially true for the internet, where it is impossible to scrutinize one person's lifestyle when all that we know about them is whatever they deem to tell us.

In short, while in my opinion it absolutely is a waste of time to be playing video games for an entire day, even with friends, it is in no way possible for me to prove through the internet to another person that what they're doing, is in fact wasting time.

Hmmm, after re-reading this, this really is more of a rant than an attempt at a serious discussion. I just get animated whenever someone defends the actions of a time waster.

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Easy doesnt fit into grownup life.
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
October 19 2012 15:17 GMT
#2
what is the opportunity cost for you? 'wasting time' would imply you are incurring a loss in that if you were doing something else you would benefit more. does this apply to you?
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 15:22:28
October 19 2012 15:21 GMT
#3
People can do with their time, and their lives, what they want. As long as they pay for it themselves.

So if you only want to play SC2 all day for the rest of your life, I won't stop you. All I ask is that you foot the bill for it.


This world has excess people, we have the luxury that not every person needs to be a contributing member of society. So feel free to do with your life as you see fit. It is the one thing that is yours, no matter what.

Wasting time conjures up the idea that people are obligated to spend their time in constructive fashion. They aren't, most people simply want to live constructive lives.
Connor987
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom103 Posts
October 19 2012 15:23 GMT
#4
I think you have a serious problem with self belief etc, why the fuck should you care if other people are wasting, if you think spending a day playing computer games is a waste of time dont do it, dont go round saying its wrong for others to do it...
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
October 19 2012 15:28 GMT
#5
It really depends on what you think is time well spent and what is time wasted. In the end, most of what we do could be classified as "wasted time"
To me wasting time is doing things slowly. I don't care what I'm doing as long as I'm either having fun or being productive in some way and I try to be as efficient as possible when working so that I have more time to have fun
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Scholera
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States166 Posts
October 19 2012 15:42 GMT
#6
It's not wasting time if you don't worry about it afterwards. Stop worrying about stuff. Do what you like, and do what you gotta do. If you don't gotta do it, and you dont wanna do it, why you doin it?
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
October 19 2012 15:56 GMT
#7
Also to build on what I posted already, enjoyment derived from playing the game is a substantial benefit and return on investment here, it isn't neutral like you might seem to think in your analysis.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
Fumanchu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada669 Posts
October 19 2012 16:28 GMT
#8
On October 20 2012 00:23 Connor987 wrote:
I think you have a serious problem with self belief etc, why the fuck should you care if other people are wasting, if you think spending a day playing computer games is a waste of time dont do it, dont go round saying its wrong for others to do it...


Are you saying that if you believed something to be truth, but others were falling away from that truth, that you wouldn't try and convince them otherwise? Maybe you're the one with a serious problem.

On October 20 2012 00:56 itsjustatank wrote:
Also to build on what I posted already, enjoyment derived from playing the game is a substantial benefit and return on investment here, it isn't neutral like you might seem to think in your analysis.


But enjoyment could have been derived from any number of different activities which would have benefited you more greatly.

For the record I enjoy playing video games. It makes me happy and I like it. I also think that it's a complete waste of time. I don't think that this train of thought makes me better than anybody else. However, I can't comprehend why others would go to such great lengths to defend their positions on this subject. You know it's a waste of time. Just like eating junk food instead of something healthy. You know which is the better path to take, and instead you choose instant gratification instead of delayed gratification. I do it too, but I can't understand why others refuse to admit it.
Easy doesnt fit into grownup life.
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 17:14:04
October 19 2012 16:40 GMT
#9
This blog is a waste of time. Just another person who over analyzes everything. "Eating a candy bar is a waste of time, I can't understand why people wont admit it", really? Is there a point you were trying to make with that?

If you are going to be so sensitive about people criticizing you then don't post absurdities like this. My reading comprehension is just fine. What kind of person in their day to day life is cataloging every thing they do into whether it's a waste of time or not? The point of life is to enjoy it.
Fumanchu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada669 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 16:50:30
October 19 2012 16:47 GMT
#10
On October 20 2012 01:40 Leth0 wrote:
This blog is a waste of time. Just another person who over analyzes everything. "Eating a candy bar is a waste of time, I can't understand why people wont admit it", really? Is there a point you were trying to make with that?


Your reading comprehension is poor, and your logic is weak. Please don't bother posting in my blogs again.
Easy doesnt fit into grownup life.
Scholera
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States166 Posts
October 19 2012 16:49 GMT
#11
On October 20 2012 01:47 Fumanchu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 01:40 Leth0 wrote:
This blog is a waste of time. Just another person who over analyzes everything. "Eating a candy bar is a waste of time, I can't understand why people wont admit it", really? Is there a point you were trying to make with that?


You're reading comprehension is poor, and your logic is weak. Please don't bother posting in my blogs again.


He's right. Just relax.
Sor
Profile Joined June 2012
United States3 Posts
October 19 2012 17:16 GMT
#12
On October 20 2012 00:17 itsjustatank wrote:
what is the opportunity cost for you? 'wasting time' would imply you are incurring a loss in that if you were doing something else you would benefit more. does this apply to you?


This. sc2 or studying. Capital or consumer goods, its all about what you are giving up.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 18:13:07
October 19 2012 18:11 GMT
#13
To ask if time is wasted is to imply there is an alternative. There is no alternative. Time is always wasted, because no action can be meaningful. Of course, people will have different definitions for meaningful. Some will say that just having some happy chemicals running around in your brain makes an action meaningful.

Tell me, wise Fumanchu, what you would have people be doing besides playing video game, and I will prove to you that it is also wasted time. Or maybe I won't, because it's a waste of time. Time will tell.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
October 19 2012 18:12 GMT
#14
On October 20 2012 01:28 Fumanchu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 00:56 itsjustatank wrote:
Also to build on what I posted already, enjoyment derived from playing the game is a substantial benefit and return on investment here, it isn't neutral like you might seem to think in your analysis.


But enjoyment could have been derived from any number of different activities which would have benefited you more greatly.

For the record I enjoy playing video games. It makes me happy and I like it. I also think that it's a complete waste of time. I don't think that this train of thought makes me better than anybody else. However, I can't comprehend why others would go to such great lengths to defend their positions on this subject. You know it's a waste of time. Just like eating junk food instead of something healthy. You know which is the better path to take, and instead you choose instant gratification instead of delayed gratification. I do it too, but I can't understand why others refuse to admit it.


Well, while it personally might not make sense to you, it does to them. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean their position is actually irrational. It makes perfect sense for some people to play video games over other activities.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
G_G
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada178 Posts
October 19 2012 18:28 GMT
#15
Not wasting time is a matter of correctly identifying what you truly want to do with your time, then doing that. What you end up doing and it's benefit relative to some other person's standard is irrelevant.

Two basic traits of being an adult are responsibility and independence.

Responsibility to others is the easy one, because the idea of letting someone else down and having to face real consequences acts as a weapon against procrastination. If someone expects you to get something done by a certain time, then the closer that deadline gets the more likely a person is to break free of procrastination.

However, when the responsibility is to ourselves, that deadline never comes. Something that we decide to do on our own has no external consequences for failure. It makes us feel bad to let ourselves down, of course, but this is unfortunately an easy thing to get used to and just begin to accept as routine.

Responsibilities are created out of a commitment to expectation, and no one expects more from us than ourselves. A person cannot call themselves responsible when they consistently let down the person who they are closest to and rely on the most.

Procrastination shares a similar relationship with independence as with responsibility. How does someone who procrastinates eventually get things done? As mentioned, deadlines are a strong anti-procrastination force. Another is simply being scolded or denied something as punishment. A simple example is a parent having to scold their child to complete their homework because the child always leave it until too late at night. The parent may even take the child's allowance for ransom if the problem persists.

The common thing among anti-procrastination forces is that they are external. This creates a dependence. A person who procrastinates is a person who cannot accomplish tasks on their own and relies on external forces such as deadlines or nagging parents/teachers/bosses to get anything done. This is a clear lack of a very important kind of independence, one that allows us to do what we truly want to do with our time.

For example, a person who truly desires to, say, learn a new language. They have reason to do so, a real practical use for the language. They are aware of the benefits, and know of several ways to get started. There are online resources, libraries with endless books, or even paid classes to attend.

Now to make this relevant to this blog.

The issue is that this example person, even though they have a genuine desire to spend their time studying the language, they do not enjoy doing it. They know they will enjoy having done it, and that it will become more enjoyable as they learn more and more, but they instead procrastinate. The solution here is simple: grow the f%@# up and stop acting like a dependent child. Be your own parent, and stop letting yourself down just because it's the easier thing to do. Look in the mirror and compare how old you look to how old you act.

As harsh as it seems, I firmly believe that anyone who procrastinates cannot call themselves a matured adult. A major part of growing up is becoming able to do things that we may not enjoy doing, but we will enjoy having done. This is the key to not wasting time, regardless of what that may mean for the individual.

If a person genuinely wants to spend five hours a day playing Starcraft, then not doing that would be wasting time. If they instead do out to try and meet people and get laid but despise every second of it and don't even really care about the sex, then that's a waste of time.

So here's the key concept: if a person genuinely had a better use of those five hours, then they would not genuinely want to spend five hours playing Starcraft. This is the natural fail-safe of acting like an adult. A true adult can't help but

For example, if they have an exam coming up and they know they should lower their Starcraft time down to one hour, then that becomes their new genuine desire. If they actually act on this, and do what they truly want, which is four hours of study then 1 hour of Starcraft, then they can honestly call themselves an adult. If they instead habitually just play Starcraft while consciously thinking about how they would rather be studying, then they're just an over-sized child and need to grow the f$#@ up pronto and stop wasting their life doing things they'll just feel bad about later, whatever those things may be.

Here's a tip. When you wake up and you're lying in bed, take a moment and pretend that it's actually night and you're going to bed. What are you glad you got done that day? What are you glad you didn't do? The answers to those questions reveal the things that you really want to do, or not do. Do anything else and you fail at adulthood.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 18:37:04
October 19 2012 18:36 GMT
#16
On October 20 2012 03:28 G_G wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Not wasting time is a matter of correctly identifying what you truly want to do with your time, then doing that. What you end up doing and it's benefit relative to some other person's standard is irrelevant.

Two basic traits of being an adult are responsibility and independence.

Responsibility to others is the easy one, because the idea of letting someone else down and having to face real consequences acts as a weapon against procrastination. If someone expects you to get something done by a certain time, then the closer that deadline gets the more likely a person is to break free of procrastination.

However, when the responsibility is to ourselves, that deadline never comes. Something that we decide to do on our own has no external consequences for failure. It makes us feel bad to let ourselves down, of course, but this is unfortunately an easy thing to get used to and just begin to accept as routine.

Responsibilities are created out of a commitment to expectation, and no one expects more from us than ourselves. A person cannot call themselves responsible when they consistently let down the person who they are closest to and rely on the most.

Procrastination shares a similar relationship with independence as with responsibility. How does someone who procrastinates eventually get things done? As mentioned, deadlines are a strong anti-procrastination force. Another is simply being scolded or denied something as punishment. A simple example is a parent having to scold their child to complete their homework because the child always leave it until too late at night. The parent may even take the child's allowance for ransom if the problem persists.

The common thing among anti-procrastination forces is that they are external. This creates a dependence. A person who procrastinates is a person who cannot accomplish tasks on their own and relies on external forces such as deadlines or nagging parents/teachers/bosses to get anything done. This is a clear lack of a very important kind of independence, one that allows us to do what we truly want to do with our time.

For example, a person who truly desires to, say, learn a new language. They have reason to do so, a real practical use for the language. They are aware of the benefits, and know of several ways to get started. There are online resources, libraries with endless books, or even paid classes to attend.

Now to make this relevant to this blog.

The issue is that this example person, even though they have a genuine desire to spend their time studying the language, they do not enjoy doing it. They know they will enjoy having done it, and that it will become more enjoyable as they learn more and more, but they instead procrastinate. The solution here is simple: grow the f%@# up and stop acting like a dependent child. Be your own parent, and stop letting yourself down just because it's the easier thing to do. Look in the mirror and compare how old you look to how old you act.

As harsh as it seems, I firmly believe that anyone who procrastinates cannot call themselves a matured adult. A major part of growing up is becoming able to do things that we may not enjoy doing, but we will enjoy having done. This is the key to not wasting time, regardless of what that may mean for the individual.

If a person genuinely wants to spend five hours a day playing Starcraft, then not doing that would be wasting time. If they instead do out to try and meet people and get laid but despise every second of it and don't even really care about the sex, then that's a waste of time.

So here's the key concept: if a person genuinely had a better use of those five hours, then they would not genuinely want to spend five hours playing Starcraft. This is the natural fail-safe of acting like an adult. A true adult can't help but

For example, if they have an exam coming up and they know they should lower their Starcraft time down to one hour, then that becomes their new genuine desire. If they actually act on this, and do what they truly want, which is four hours of study then 1 hour of Starcraft, then they can honestly call themselves an adult. If they instead habitually just play Starcraft while consciously thinking about how they would rather be studying, then they're just an over-sized child and need to grow the f$#@ up pronto and stop wasting their life doing things they'll just feel bad about later, whatever those things may be.

Here's a tip. When you wake up and you're lying in bed, take a moment and pretend that it's actually night and you're going to bed. What are you glad you got done that day? What are you glad you didn't do? The answers to those questions reveal the things that you really want to do, or not do. Do anything else and you fail at adulthood.

Wow, this is actually an excellent post. Very well said!
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
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