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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
August 30 2012 18:16 GMT
#1
I've been playing Broodwar for the better part of the past eight or so years, ever since I was in first grade. I began playing Starcraft 2 when it came out, and found Teamliquid, an awesome place where I could talk with other people who played the game, both games.

I thought of Teamliquid as exclusively a Starcraft website for the first year I was here. Then, I began posting in General, and got into many a flamewar. After being banned the first time, I found the Automated Ban List community.

Then, a friend dragooned me into playing LoL, and since then I've been following the adventures of streamers and Soniv in his endless quest to make people play Viktor.

Things changed when I realized that Teamliquid wasn't just about Starcraft-it's about bringing together the gaming community(and a few people who don't play games but register to troll instead).

Today marked a huge surprise for many TL users: the site went down for maintenance, and when it came back up we had this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364639

As of today, TeamLiquid.net will be adding Dota 2 as an official game to its site content. While TeamLiquid.net has provided resources for non-Starcraft games for some time now – forums, stream lists, calendar events, etc. – we have decided to go the additional mile for Dota 2. It will become part of our official news coverage, and it will become the third Liquipedia sub-site alongside Brood War and StarCraft II.


Along with that announcement came an entirely new forum for Dota 2, complete with strategy and tournaments.

When I saw it, I was pretty pissed off. After all, I believed that LoL was the superior game, with as many if not more viewers and players. Why the hell should Dota have a forum all to itself instead of League of Legends, a nearly identical game in all but gameplay and graphics?!

Then I began to think...and think some more.

Maybe I was just missing something.

So, I went to the Dota forum and pulled up this article on Dendi, one of the most famous players in Dota 2 and a member of the team Na'Vi.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364641

SirJolt and riptide did an amazing job on this article. More so than reading another boring guide about beginning the game or about hero roles, this got me excited about playing.



This video helped as well. As I listened to PSY's beats, I realized that Dota is a game that has fundamentals similar to LoL and Starcraft. It's got its own pro scene, as big a community.

From that point on, I was sold. Dota deserves a forum, that shouldn't be disputed. Teamliquid has never been exclusively Starcraft, and now can become a home for Dota 2 players.

It certainly looks good, and with the help of some TL people, I'm going to start learning the game...tomorrow.

But there's more!

The League of Legends subforum has been active for more than a year. It's developed it's own personalities, like Skarnold and Soniv, all created with the help of NeoIllusions, who takes hours of time to police a subforum that arguably has the greatest post per minute count of anything less that a Destiny scandal thread.

It's a great place, and with champion guides from there and the support of the players, I never would have kept playing League.

As a result, Teamliquid not creating a LoL forum is kinda puzzling to me. There are many pieces to the subforum, heavily modded and organized. The community effort in them is mind-blowing.

League of Legends has no "home" right now. Solomid.net and mobafire are reasonable, but there's no sense of community. It needs a place for competitive players to meet with the casuals. That's what'll happen with the Dota 2 forum.

League should get it's own forum, either soon or whenever is appropriate(I say now), because the community here is one of the best and most active I have ever seen in a forum, anywhere.

TL;DR-Dota 2 is great game, deserves forum 100%, LoL should have one too.

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RogerRus
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Norway87 Posts
August 30 2012 19:08 GMT
#2
I don't like the plan on anything but Starcraft on TL. But I agree somewhat, if TL is about to switch standards from being a Starcraft site, into a general game/esports site, like it seems they might be, then they should deffinately add LoL, CS:GO, HoN, and every other competitive game people are playing.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
August 30 2012 19:15 GMT
#3
I agree.

(maybe not HoN)
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
August 30 2012 19:21 GMT
#4
Nice blog. I definitely hope for more tolerance for other games between gaming communities in the future. I think it's absolutely silly for people to ONLY be fans of 1 game and nothing else ever. Even if you don't enjoy watching or playing it, you should still be respectful towards the community and scene it has built.

And speaking of incredible Dota 2 videos to get people more into it, for me this is the one that finally made me stop, and realize that I really really love this game, when I was first getting into it after having been a HoN fanboy for so long:
Taktik
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland680 Posts
August 30 2012 19:21 GMT
#5
I got the feeling from reading the news that dota2 will be here 'cause tl staff plays it a lot. If they would all like LoL it would be LoL. This again shows how SC2 failed to be next BW. The community of people who loved hard, competetive game (BW) seems to have mixed feelings about SC2 'n some of them switched to other games.
I personally find SC2 boring, I dont play it anymore and I turned out to be 100% spectating. Im following the SC2 scene not because its superb game but 'cause of personalities/fav.players/drama. Its totally different from my BW times, the game was excellent I didnt cared about community ;<
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
August 30 2012 19:42 GMT
#6
On August 31 2012 04:21 Taktik wrote:
I got the feeling from reading the news that dota2 will be here 'cause tl staff plays it a lot. If they would all like LoL it would be LoL. This again shows how SC2 failed to be next BW. The community of people who loved hard, competetive game (BW) seems to have mixed feelings about SC2 'n some of them switched to other games.
I personally find SC2 boring, I dont play it anymore and I turned out to be 100% spectating. Im following the SC2 scene not because its superb game but 'cause of personalities/fav.players/drama. Its totally different from my BW times, the game was excellent I didnt cared about community ;<


Yeah, IMO Community is the most important thing about a competitive online game, and both Dota 2 and LoL certainly have a great community(on this site).
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
ParkwayDrive
Profile Joined July 2011
United States328 Posts
August 30 2012 19:56 GMT
#7
i feel like lol and dota are too similar and they had to pick one. even the most casual observer can see that in the long run dota2 will win out easily with valve behind it. hopefully valve doesnt just give up on it upon release though
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 30 2012 21:21 GMT
#8
Other games that should have their own forums:

Dota 1
Counterstrike
Halo 7 (or whatever number we're at now)
WarCraft 2
Command and Conquer
Total Annihilation
Pac-Man
Tetris
Pong
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swim224
Profile Joined May 2010
Botswana368 Posts
August 30 2012 21:52 GMT
#9
On August 31 2012 06:21 ninazerg wrote:
Other games that should have their own forums:

Dota 1
Counterstrike
Halo 7 (or whatever number we're at now)
WarCraft 2
Command and Conquer
Total Annihilation
Pac-Man
Tetris
Pong

Don't forget Call of Duty 9, it's coming out this year!
....unless Taeja suddenly parachutes into the studio with explosions behind him and lands on a skateboard which he jumps over the booth before jumping in. If that happened it would be so sweet it would be physically impossible for them to lose. - Haydin
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
August 30 2012 22:03 GMT
#10
On August 31 2012 06:21 ninazerg wrote:
Other games that should have their own forums:

Dota 1
Counterstrike
Halo 7 (or whatever number we're at now)
WarCraft 2
Command and Conquer
Total Annihilation
Pac-Man
Tetris
Pong


Community size on TL should be the deciding factor, nor popularity outside of it.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
August 31 2012 00:17 GMT
#11
I would prob say that respect has a lot to do with what games get their own sub forum. If the organization doesnt respect LoL as an eSport in the same regards as sc and dota then i dont know if LoL would ever get official support

also i feel like the. ommunity as a whole would be againt support LoL on that level
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 31 2012 01:09 GMT
#12
I would say what really matters is if TL has staff that wants to write about the game and cover the tournaments. Not really community size and definatelly not "respect". If they don't have that for LoL, there is no way to cover it. People actually working on articles themselves is probally a good way to start.
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