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On August 27 2012 18:02 PH wrote:
I honestly get so discouraged by blogs like this...
I tell myself that my life will turn around once I get a decent job, but seeing blogs like this make me realize landing the job is only the first step...T_T
The most important part is having a good CV. If it sucks you only get sucky jobs. If it's good you get good jobs.
Mine sucked.
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I think you should try to find out what you really want and then take it up with your boss. If you're a german R1CH then I'm sure they're very happy to have you working for them and they don't want you to leave, try talking to them about how you're feeling burnt out and that you need something else from them. Maybe you want new challenges or maybe you want to go to seminars or maybe you want the coffee machine to work again, maybe they can help you. If the alternative is quitting then you might as well be sure that it couldn't be helped before you go ahead and quit.
Also maybe it isn't your job, maybe you're burnt out from something else and you're just blaming it on your job (because, duh, it's your job) in which case it would be really bad to quit.
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Well i suggest you something else. How about you work normally as you do, don't push yourself too much for it. And after you get from work try relaxing and working on your body. Maybe getting your body fit will give you more energy maybe that gloomy feeling will go away because sometimes if we are happy with our body, if we have physical strength we deal better with other problems. So maybe you should slowly start working on your body and after or in between start applying for new job 
EDIT: someone already suggested this, adding sleeping and eating before all. I really think this is the best solution right now.
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Don't you have any vacation days left?
It should not be too hard finding a job in Germany in your area, right? And if you're willing to relocate to the Netherlands, the company I'm working for is hiring. 
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Why are you so stressed out at work? A good skill to have is actually appropriately pushing back and saying 'no'. It just sounds to me like you are doing too much.
I would probably just take it really easy for a while and see what happens. During this time, you can try to get your life back in order and possibly look for another job.
Talking to management about this might help as well, depending on the size of your company and its culture, obviously.
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I think the only reasonable course of action is a "program off" with R1CH to re-kindle your passion.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
Should I quit my job?
after reading your op I would say yes. You only have one life and your current employer does not care about your health.
Therefore I would say at least try to look for something else while you work or quit. Since in germany you have a safety net.
What slave company are you working for?
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On August 27 2012 17:39 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 16:57 Tauchsieder wrote:
You live in Germany, right? Go to a Psychologist, let him attest your burnout, show it to your employer and by regualtions he is forced to let you off work for at least 3 weeks, to go to a health resort. Payed! It's not as easy as you make it sound like. And from what I know about his employer, this seems like a very risky route to take. Manilor could very well end up stuck in a law suit if his employer is a cunt about it - which is probably the last thing he wants right now.
Pray what? If half of which he tells is true he has every right to go see a doctor and get off work, that's not risky at all. He doesn't say he should fake symptoms, he says go and get treatment. The risky thing here would only be the loss of "prestige" or whatever you'd call coming from his boss if that person had such a backward attitude. If he works in such an environment, he should prolly quit.
I don't see how his employer could possibly take this to court (given that it's Germany), as this move would be highly risky. It could very well backfire to actually attack a psychologist's judgement. From my personal experience, this hurts whoever dares to threaten an approved psychologist, 'cause they get quite pissed when it comes to depression / burnout or related issues. If that happens you can get counter sued for slander and "being the bully" both from the victim AND the doctor.
If you mean that the employer could argue that such an illness would limit the OP's ability to work long term (as in he will be off work a lot more often / ~10+ weeks per year): this would also not work in this case, as it's the first time that the OP takes a time out so to speak.
Tauchsieder's suggestion sounds the most reasonable, along with a longer talk to his boss obviously. Just doing something without informing the higher up always never works out.
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I'm in the same situation. Been forawhile in this job (Programming), kinda need to find another job. But before jumping on next job I decided to do some stuff:
1. Get in shape. I started going to gym.
2. Increase my sleeping time, get organized
3. After I get inshape I need to buy new clothes (fashionable).
4. Make a worthy haircut.
5. Remain positive.
Afterall you need to do good impression in the interview. I'll try to shoot at better position and salary. I feel it will be easypizi, since I know my stuff well.
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On August 27 2012 19:18 caboose_ wrote:
I think the only reasonable course of action is a "program off" with R1CH to re-kindle your passion.
Well, the problem is that there is no measurable way to compare two programmers :p
On August 27 2012 18:44 prplhz wrote:
I think you should try to find out what you really want and then take it up with your boss. If you're a german R1CH then I'm sure they're very happy to have you working for them and they don't want you to leave
Most of the good programmers in this company already left and the company never did anything to stop them, they could always get someone cheaper to replace them. One of the better colleagues i had that actually worked on improving his skills just wanted 10% more money - still less than industry average, they refused, now he gets 100% more money in another company. They always got away with that, the projects kept running (mostly since i took over all his projects in addition to mine), and eventhough my colleagues say that everything will break down when i leave, i bet they will get away with that again.
Everyone only works here because it was the only job they could get and the good ones leave as soon as they find another job. A colleague who worked here for 3 month is already interviewing for other jobs. Most that don't leave keep saying "It would just be the same in another company, so why bother?".
I wanted to stay here for 3 years to improve my very messy CV, not expecting to get that burnt out.
Appointment with the boss is at 14:00 (in 1 hour, 20 minutes), let's see how that turns out.
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QUIT ASAP
i just quit mine
dont torture urself
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If you hate your job then quit... i dont know if you have people who are depending on you but if not I'd just quit now before its too late and your not only fat and burnt out, but fat burnt out and old.
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I used to be in your situation and it was horrible, a part of my soul was being mutilated every single day. What's different though is i had chosen something i did not enjoy, while you seem to like programming but dislike the current employer. That's a reason you're much better off than me.
To solve it, i went part time (that's 10 days/month) while starting uni at 24yrs old. I'm telling you this just to put things in perspective cause all you have to do is go part time while you get yourself in proper physical and mental state and look for a better job. Or even quit for good if you are 100% sure you can last at least half a year unemployed. But then again, not working at all is noxious aswell.
Continue this and you'll be suicidal in a couple of years.
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On August 27 2012 21:28 Atom Cannister wrote:
How'd the meeting go?
They were suprised but there wasn't anything they could do and they understood my reasoning, so either end of september or end of october i'm out of this job. Usually it would be end of september but they asked me if i could give them a few days to check if they can shuffle resources to fill my position or wether they need a month more to find a replacement.
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On August 27 2012 22:01 Morfildur wrote:They were suprised but there wasn't anything they could do and they understood my reasoning, so either end of september or end of october i'm out of this job. Usually it would be end of september but they asked me if i could give them a few days to check if they can shuffle resources to fill my position or wether they need a month more to find a replacement.
Ha, thats the sort of company that tries to fill 1 hole with 2 overworked employees. Good you are out of it, imho.
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challenge r1ch for the throne son
but i would advise against qutting without something else lined up, as much as it may be appealing. if need be, take off a few days to get your head straight and get to work on your resume
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Create your own job and then quit!
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Why don't you do what you did in highschool? I bet you had times you severely disliked it, but you still went through with it and got grades etc. I bet you didn't fail out. therefore call upon what you did then, you can do it again.
Make small changes, first sleep habits, then diet, then gym, then job. You need to get shit done, thats an option not to.
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On August 27 2012 22:01 Morfildur wrote:They were suprised but there wasn't anything they could do and they understood my reasoning, so either end of september or end of october i'm out of this job. Usually it would be end of september but they asked me if i could give them a few days to check if they can shuffle resources to fill my position or wether they need a month more to find a replacement.
hmm since you know your end result with the company, you should try and take it easy until you quit. Do your job obviously but don't overload yourself. Just work on getting better physically and mentally and search for a job in the meantime. Taking a couple of days off to rest is probably a good idea as well as well as exercising and eating healthy. The stress might be the major reason you gained weight. Good luck!
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