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SC2 World Ranking, Part 1

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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 18:48:19
August 08 2012 04:06 GMT
#1
Lately, I've heard lots of discussion about a StarCraft 2 World Ranking based on tournament results. Essentially, the concept is that you assign points for tournament rankings. Unfortunately, no matter how it is done, the ranking will always be subjective. One person may say that the GSL is worth as much as every other tournament combined, whereas another person may say that the GSL is worth about as much as a MLG.

How do I get around this "subjective" problem? Here's my answer: I'll let you choose the values!

That's right, I'm starting a project to create a World Ranking. The cool thing is that you get to choose how many points each victory is worth and more.

Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvdlsNiHlS2DdHI1MF9JdzJSRm4wTzlWREY2YkxYc0E

+ Show Spoiler [How to Use] +
The first sheet is known as "Values" and it is the only spreadsheet you are allowed to edit. The left column shows the ranking of the player and the right column shows the points that the player receives from that ranking. For example, 1st 5,000 means that the winner of the tournament receives 5,000 points.

Only edit the point values!

The sheet known as "Rankings" will automatically list the players in order of points.


+ Show Spoiler [Regression] +
One thing that is very popular in point rankings such as this is the concept of regression. Basically, your points degrade over time, meaning that a GSL today is worth more than a GSL one year ago. I completely agree with this idea, so I've included this.

The sheet "Values" has a "Regression Factor" which you can edit. Right now, the spreadsheet only supports simple regression - exponential decay. Here's how the regression model works:

New Point Value = Original Point Value * (Regression Factor)^(# of Days since the Tournament)

The value I prefer is "0.99769217652702". If you use this value, the number of points will be halved after 300 days (so 10,000 points becomes 5,000 points), the number of points will be 25% after 600 days (so 10,000 points becomes 2,500 points), and so on.

You may choose your own value! If you do not wish to use regression (you think a GSL from one year ago is worth exactly the same as a GSL today), then simply use the value "1".


However, this is not completed yet! So far, I've only added the GSL Open Seasons, so the rankings are obviously not accurate yet. In fact, I need your help!

+ Show Spoiler [How You Can Help!] +
I need lists of tournament rankings. First, I need the name of the tournament, and the date it ended. Then, I need a list of players starting from 1st place until last place. Here's an example:

GSL Open Season 1
10/2/2010

FruitDealer
RainBOw
Ensnare
LiveForever
HongUn
InCa
Maka
TricKsteR
anypro
Check
Clide
Hyperdub
LegalMind
Nettie
San
TOP
IdrA
JookTo
justfake
Keeping
Maru
Polt
TaeJa
Tankboy
TheWinD
TLO
ZanDarke
Zenio
Aory
Artosis
Astraea
BrEEzE
Cella
Cezanne
Chipmunk
Dos
FoCuS
Genius
Gerrard
GuineaPig
Hansin
JiTaeHoon
jjonga
JSL
Junwi
LosirA
MC
miso
Myth
NesTea
New
RenieHouR
SengKun
Sopia
Spunky
SSoja
TorcH
Wind
Xian
Yong

GSL is my first priority. After that, foreign tournaments will be the next goal. For now, don't worry about Code A.


Finally, here is my own ranking:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. 2,663 NesTea
2. 2,617 MC
3. 2,488 FruitDealer
4. 1,669 RainBOw
5. 1,472 MarineKing
6. 1,328 Rain
7. 927 HongUn
8. 670 Ensnare
9. 657 BoxeR
10. 628 Jinro

NesTea, MC, and FruitDealer, the three winners of the open seasons, dominate the rankings as expected. Interestingly, NesTea beats MC even though I expected MC to have an edge (mainly because won more recently, so his points degrade less). Also, it's nice to have Jinro in the top ten.


Please, even if you guys create a list for just one GSL, it would help this project greatly. Right now, this project is in "Blogs" because I don't feel it deserves a place in SC2 General yet. Once it is complete, though, the project will definitely be there.

Do you have a favorite player? If, for example, you really like MC, you can support your favorite player by submitting a tournament list which he wins (like GSL March). Anything will help because I really want to make this project come to life.

Part 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=359130

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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 05:12 GMT
#2
i don't mind helping a bit if i can find a bit of time :D
my regression value of choice is 0.99424042381754732964045049128729 ---> 50% after 120 days (four months). considering how fast sc2 moves i like this number more haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 08 2012 05:13 GMT
#3
That's the point of making this, so that we can use our own numbers.
Personally, I like keeping it at 300 days because of my Mvp fanboyism.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 05:22:57
August 08 2012 05:22 GMT
#4
On August 08 2012 14:13 Entirety wrote:
That's the point of making this, so that we can use our own numbers.
Personally, I like keeping it at 300 days because of my Mvp fanboyism.

don't worry when we add in all of 2011... Mvp will be top for a looonggg time (especially since he won a fairly recent GSL) ^.^
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 05:26 GMT
#5
GSL January 2011 Code S
29/01/11

Mvp

MarineKing

NesTea
Jinro

CHoya
Trickster
Idra
Nada

Zenio
Boxer
Thebest
Hyperdub
Genius
Clide
MC
Rainbow

Polt
Maka
Fruitdealer
Jookto
Hongun
Thewind
Kyrix
Rain
Leenock
Anypro
Inca
San
LegalMind
Liveforever
Ensnare
Check
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 05:28 GMT
#6
GSL March 2011 Code S
19/03/11

MC

July

San
anypro

hongun
sc
nada
lyn

byun
jinro
thewind
trickster
clide
check
ensnare
kyrix

mvp
hyperdub
zenio
polt
rainbow
top
thebest
nestea
boxer
bansbans
choya
fruitdealer
genius
inca
marineking
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 05:29 GMT
#7
GSL World Champs
09/04/11

mvp

marineking

san
mc

july
dimaga
tt1
anypro

huk
nada
white-ra
nestea
sen
moonglade
morrow
jinro
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 05:31 GMT
#8
GSL May 2011 Code S
14/05/11

nestea

inca

nada
sc

top
killer
losira
anypro

supernova
genius
clide
virus
polt
alicia
fruitdealer
july

mc
thewind
byun
rainbow
kyrix
hongun
marineking
zenio
jinro
san
lyn
check
trickster
ensnare
rain
huk
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 05:32 GMT
#9
hope this is what you're looking for? haha from me for now :p
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 08 2012 05:35 GMT
#10
Honestly, I think Google Spreadsheets has limitations. I'll probably need a website for this or something similar.

Thank you so much for the help, I will definitely use those lists!
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 08 2012 07:17 GMT
#11
I updated it until GSL May.

Google Spreadsheets is simply too slow for it to be useful in any way. I'm switching over to Microsoft Excel, which runs all the calculations lightning fast.

Please continue your contributions and I shall release the spreadsheet once GSL is completed!

+ Show Spoiler [My Current Ranking] +
1. 7,166 NesTea
2. 6,797 MC
3. 6,332 Mvp
4. 4,679 MarineKing
5. 2,885 FruitDealer
6. 2,349 InCa
7. 2,328 July
8. 2,103 NaDa
9. 2,044 RainBOw
10. 1,984 San
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
August 08 2012 08:27 GMT
#12
howwwwww did hongun make your top players O_o that's not right... lol
youtube.com/xmungam ~~ twitch.tv/thenessman
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 08 2012 08:31 GMT
#13
On August 08 2012 17:27 xmungam wrote:
howwwwww did hongun make your top players O_o that's not right... lol

two RO4 and one RO8 and RO16, that's pretty damn good! this is still a WIP and hasn't been fully updated yet :o
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