EPTDo people really respect his slightly unorthodox style, or is there some other reason? Is he just considered good all around and has just been unlucky in not taking home a big win?
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Verror
261 Posts
Do people really respect his slightly unorthodox style, or is there some other reason? Is he just considered good all around and has just been unlucky in not taking home a big win? | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On August 07 2012 05:24 Verror wrote: I have a small question that I think is appropriate here, I often see people rank Sase extremely highly among foreigners, but whenever I see him he does look good, but he doesn't have the results of say 4-7 on this list, ie. Nerchio's HSC win, or Manas DH win. Do people really respect his slightly unorthodox style, or is there some other reason? Is he just considered good all around and has just been unlucky in not taking home a big win? Thorzain, if he wouldn´t have won dh would be in the same place as Sase, consideration wise. Sase just haven´t been able to snatch that big win like his swe brothers. Same story goes with morrow. Also (but more irrelevant) + Show Spoiler + It´s the best players per month not who performed best overall Be ready everyone to see major rocketing that list btw | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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xmungam
United States1050 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On August 07 2012 06:57 xmungam wrote: stephano is not #1. who is?^^ watch stephanos results and winrates and consider he most of the time plays koreans. no1 is near him, even not naniwa since naniwa isnt as good on the fly and quite unstable. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On August 07 2012 06:33 Salv wrote: Suppy should 100% be on this list. nope, suppy is on the level of other zergs like snute, bly, livezerg, Killer or TLO atm - i dont think he is a vortix or sortOf yet who consistantly pwn the guys above. the gap of those players listed to the ones in the top 30 is obviously pretty small^^ | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
the "following list" is kinda weird when you look at Axslav or even BlinG being higher than lets say elfi I also think KrasS belongs to the group of BratOK, SjoW, Naama etc and DBS should probably be there aswell when you list Theognis. also roof is better than half of the Zergs you mentioned as following for example Zikto, Targa, Naugrim and a few more. overall nice list once again , always enjoy reading these even though I don't agree with a lot of small details. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On August 07 2012 13:55 Kaitokid wrote: is this list more about very recent results or actual skill level? the "following list" is kinda weird when you look at Axslav or even BlinG being higher than lets say elfi I also think KrasS belongs to the group of BratOK, SjoW, Naama etc and DBS should probably be there aswell when you list Theognis. also roof is better than half of the Zergs you mentioned as following for example Zikto, Targa, Naugrim and a few more. overall nice list once again , always enjoy reading these even though I don't agree with a lot of small details. i had roof and DBS on my last list, but well, they didnt rly do as much internationally honestly. skillwise, there is no question about that. elfi, axlav and bling are pretty evenly skilled imo. and to your first question - its a mix of all: my thoughts on their acutal skill, recent results, a bit less about past results and a little bit of talent and status. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On August 07 2012 06:57 xmungam wrote: stephano is not #1. Like KalWarkov sayd his win ratio and result against the best Korea got to offer speaks for itself. Matter infact you could take all the players in top 9 after Stephano and compare them to Stephano and they woulnt even come close to Stephano´s result or win ratio l8tly and thats when we combine them all.. His win ratio just in 2012 is 259 wins - 107 losses (70.77%). Its so insanely high its allmost unreal. his ZvP ratio is 114 wins - 32 losses (78.08%) and in a game as volatile as sc2 its unheard off and no1 in the world got a better win% in that matchup then Stephano. If we look at stats and results Stephano is actually better then the 9 next foreigners if we combine them. Yes I know its quite insane | ||
monk
United States8477 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:43 NrGmonk wrote: Think SaSe is too high this month btw. He's mostly been riding off his success from MLG Spring Championship. But he didn't do that well at MLG Summer Arena, only beating Goody. He didn't do that well at HSC V, where Nerchio, Ret, Hasuobs, or silvko outperformed him. Thorizain, Naniwa, and SortOf outperformed him at WCS Sweden. He didn't even make it out of his first group at ASUS Summer. Should be around 6-7th imo. ye, he had his weak moments and didnt look very strong. but neither did kas, ret, dimaga, thorzain and even nerchio didnt perform great (notice: his hsc5 win was included in last months ranking already). thats why he barely maintains it | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
Also I think HuK is still much to high. In the last month he lost to Naama, Seiplo (ASUS), Xenocider (MLG Qualifier), Scarlett, TT1, TubbytheFat (WCS Canada) and failed to qualify for TSL. All guys (and girls) I mentioned are not in the top 30. His last win was online and in June. Otherwise I agree mostly, again thanks for the ranking. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On August 16 2012 06:34 GoSuChicken wrote: lucifron is overrated man, atleast for his last results! i sadly have to agree man. | ||
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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
On August 08 2012 01:23 Benjamin99 wrote: Like KalWarkov sayd his win ratio and result against the best Korea got to offer speaks for itself. Matter infact you could take all the players in top 9 after Stephano and compare them to Stephano and they woulnt even come close to Stephano´s result or win ratio l8tly and thats when we combine them all.. His win ratio just in 2012 is 259 wins - 107 losses (70.77%). Its so insanely high its allmost unreal. his ZvP ratio is 114 wins - 32 losses (78.08%) and in a game as volatile as sc2 its unheard off and no1 in the world got a better win% in that matchup then Stephano. If we look at stats and results Stephano is actually better then the 9 next foreigners if we combine them. Yes I know its quite insane Yeah, I feel France should get a +500 or something on that nation list just for Stephano  I feel you overrate Americans a lot. HuK, Select, Sheth and IdrA haven't achieved anything noteworthy since long. In comparison, Cytoplasm (9-0 currently against Stephano, gave HerO a run for his money at summer arena), Sortof, NightEnd or Naama (strong performances at ASUS ROG), JohnyRecco (TSL4 run) or Ziktomini (2-0 Stephano, WCS England) deserve to be placed higher - they actually win games. Also with the beating Scarlett gave HuK at WCS Canada, i think his placing so much higher is a bit strange. Also of course with IEM Nerchio and Vortix look pretty good :D | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32160 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On August 20 2012 23:13 QuanticHawk wrote: where am i on this list <3 OT, you will have a lot of trouble in september with all the weird upsets going on. | ||
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2v2TLRSimba
25 Posts
 I wish sen was in the list, he would make #2 for sure | ||
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OKMarius
Norway469 Posts
But it's so hard to rank foreigners, besides Stephano I feel like anyone from rank 2-70ish can beat each other without it being a true upset. Look at Snute now doing great in Campus EU for example, beating Ret, BabyK, ForGG and Socke. | ||
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