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On July 15 2012 04:04 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 03:05 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I'm not too sure about the prizes you mention. I paid around 1,000€ in total and I was in a rather expensive "school" - if that's what you'd call it. I was also not aware that you needed to drive in rush hour - not really possible in this rural area here.
When I did my license I paid 2000 DM too, but that was a while ago. 1000 Euro seems incredibly cheap for today's standards, but yeah 2000 Euro is more on the upper end according to this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrausbildung_und_Fahrerlaubnisprüfung#Preise
Did mine in 2004 and paid a bit more than 2k for A B BE... well maybe thats just bavarian pricing but all my friends with only B payed 1,5 - 1,8
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Korea (South)1897 Posts
love your blog write ups. Seriously. I always come away with some real insight. ^^ As a BMW enthusiast and fan (320 & 538i), loved to read it and I hate those mods too. ^^
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Holy crap 2000 Euros to get your license...?
Oh my goodness...
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On July 15 2012 03:05 Gecko[Xp] wrote:
I'm not too sure about the prizes you mention. I paid around 1,000€ in total and I was in a rather expensive "school" - if that's what you'd call it. I was also not aware that you needed to drive in rush hour - not really possible in this rural area here.
When? I did mine in 2004 and paid.. something like 1800.
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United States37500 Posts
zatic, you are awsum. I learn so much from your blogs.
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It should be mentioned that these "minority of bad drivers" are a really pain in the ass on the Autobahn. Especially if you go fast (>200km/h) and they just don't look out for you speeding on the left lane, while trying to overtake a truck.
In my oppinion german driver's school do not teach, how to drive on the autobahn properly. At least I only took one lesson outta 10ish (or 12ish, cannot remember) on the Autobahn (tho I did not have a problem with it and went 180 or something, while driving the first time on the Autobahn with my driving teacher).
But the really big part, which is really dangerous, are foreigners. I live near the border to belgium and netherlands. Foreigners just do not know how the Autobahn works (f.e. changing from the left lane to the middle/right lane, when someone is speeding behind you, etc.). So you literally ALWAYS drive like 3-5 km behind someone, who is only driving like 110-120 on the left lane. You can get really mad about this.
Otherwise I love the Autobahn. It is such a good feeling (because of the adrenalin^^) and you feel so free.
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Dutch drivers are the worst, they're really scary. Must have something to do with the roads here being in a constant state of total congestion. And everyone driving tiny plastic cars because it's a flat country and people are cheap.
Fight for the autobahn!
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On July 15 2012 15:35 chrisolo wrote:
In my oppinion german driver's school do not teach, how to drive on the autobahn properly. At least I only took one lesson outta 10ish (or 12ish, cannot remember) on the Autobahn (tho I did not had a problem with it and went 180 or something, while driving the first time on the Autobahn with my driving teacher).
The question is how much you can teach driving on the Autobahn. In my opinion the most important part is awareness and that is a point where a lot of people fail either because they are distracted or they do not care or ...
That said there is really not a lot of practice in driving schools. I had one 90 min session on the Autobahn with 50+min at speed of 60 in a single lane road works. Best thing of that day... my teacher inviting me to breakfast.
What makes driving on the Autobahn absolutely horrible is the filterin in before road works. People know 2km before it's going to happen that they need to do so but they're going full speed on the second lane to get to the front of the lane somehow pushing in which means that everybody behind them has to stop. Instead of a constant stream of cars going at 60/80/100kmh it's a stupid stop and go...
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Super engrossing read as always :D
Really interesting how cars and driving are literally a part of German culture 
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On July 15 2012 17:23 smr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 15:35 chrisolo wrote:
In my oppinion german driver's school do not teach, how to drive on the autobahn properly. At least I only took one lesson outta 10ish (or 12ish, cannot remember) on the Autobahn (tho I did not had a problem with it and went 180 or something, while driving the first time on the Autobahn with my driving teacher).
The question is how much you can teach driving on the Autobahn. In my opinion the most important part is awareness and that is a point where a lot of people fail either because they are distracted or they do not care or ... That said there is really not a lot of practice in driving schools. I had one 90 min session on the Autobahn with 50+min at speed of 60 in a single lane road works. Best thing of that day... my teacher inviting me to breakfast. What makes driving on the Autobahn absolutely horrible is the filterin in before road works. People know 2km before it's going to happen that they need to do so but they're going full speed on the second lane to get to the front of the lane somehow pushing in which means that everybody behind them has to stop. Instead of a constant stream of cars going at 60/80/100kmh it's a stupid stop and go...
Yeah filtering is shit. You are supposed to drive to the end of your lane though, the worst thing you can do is push in some time before that.
About overtaking and expecting a 200 km/h+ guy to break: Don't overtake, do it after he's passed...
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nice blog. My GF got sooo scared when I picked her up from the airport in my parents' Caddy and took it all the way to 180 km/h
wanted to share with the world that the Northern Territory has no speed restrictions as well, only to find out they abolished that five years ago...
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My speed record with my little Renault is on one of those things while going to the Oktoberfest : 190 km/h. I thought my car was going to explode.
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Always love to read these threads and realize that this stuff is far from obvious to the average TLer.
The autobahn is fun, but driving over 200 km/h for longer amoutns of time really gets on my nerves. There´s always gonna be someone pulling some stupid bullshit, like cutting in front of you to overtake a slow ass minivan when you´re clearly coming up way too fast. At those speeds that´s pretty exhilarating.
Plus your fuel is going to be burned so fast you wonder if there´s a hole somewhere. I don´t go that fast a lot anymore.
Loved the hwaseung racing team <3
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It's unsafe, it's a waste of fuel, it's a shame it's one of the few things foreigners know about Germany.
Should really be 130km/h fixed speed limit imo.
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On July 15 2012 11:48 JerKy wrote:
Holy crap 2000 Euros to get your license...?
Oh my goodness...
It depends from what region you are in germany. I do my licence right now and i have to pay 1300€.
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I just saw your blog and can't stop reading them! Nice work man!
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On July 15 2012 22:10 ACrow wrote:
It's unsafe, it's a waste of fuel, it's a shame it's one of the few things foreigners know about Germany.
Should really be 130km/h fixed speed limit imo.
Wait WHAT?
Yearly statistics of fatal accidents show that there are less and less accidents on the Autobahn because of speeding and more and more accidents because people just dont look what happens around them. They dont look into the mirrors when overtaking, they dont do the Schulterblick or cant predict the speed of others or the distance they need to overtake someone.
I think you will agree that switching lanes without looking into the mirror and not using the indicators to overtake a 80.1 km/h fast driving car with 82.1 km/h is more dangerous than higher speeds in certain situations.
Also there are people who are willing to pay the extra bit for fuel to go faster. Maybe its a "waste" of fuel to the nature. But man, this is about 0.1% of what you can call a waste. Just look the american car makers. There are good reasons for american cars to be that big and have 5 liter cylinder capacity (big country with a lot of different conditions, turbo- and superchargers beark down quickly because of that and so on) but they arent even trying (no offense to you fellow americans) to make their cars more efficient.
Last but not least: setting a speed limit to 130km/h will just destroy the local market for german car producers. Its like cutting in your own flesh to replace it with some raw meat. German car producers have a reputation for making good, safe, efficient but still powerfull and clever cars. And thats on the whole globe. If you put such a restriction on your own industry it will simply dissapear from your place, and go somewhere else.
Same with the horrificly stupid EU-Emission Standards for car producers.
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Germany is also a country where automatic cars are still a rarity. Most people don't like it and it is an extra that nobody really wants, while in the US it's standard afaik. It's slowly getting more common in city cars and there is half automatic now which is kinda cool, but germans still prefer shifting gears manually.
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The EU-Emission standards are not that bad. I think car makers are already meeting guidelines that were to be met by 2015.
Personally I drive much safer when driving fast, since there is more at stake. So I can always anticipate people suddenly pulling out and w/e. Of course it's their fault for not looking in the mirror but it's you that gets faulted by the government...
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On July 15 2012 23:43 Slomo wrote:
Last but not least: setting a speed limit to 130km/h will just destroy the local market for german car producers. Its like cutting in your own flesh to replace it with some raw meat. German car producers have a reputation for making good, safe, efficient but still powerfull and clever cars. And thats on the whole globe. If you put such a restriction on your own industry it will simply dissapear from your place, and go somewhere else.
Why should the companies leave germany, if there is a speed limit on the autobahn?
I don't think public opinion on german cars will change, just because i can't drive 250km/h on the autobahn.
Maybe the marketing will change and the priority of the companies, more towards comfortable driving and features to make the then longer travels more enjoyable, but i don't think Opel, Audi, BMW and Mercedes will just leave the country altogether.
Seems like non sequitur to me.
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