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On May 24 2012 21:48 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 21:41 hypercube wrote:On May 24 2012 21:25 Gheed wrote:On May 24 2012 21:05 hypercube wrote:On May 24 2012 18:52 Gheed wrote:
When legitimate opinions are dismissed as "hate," the people who have those opinions start to actually hate. "Oh, I didn't actually hate him, but now that you called me out on my bullshit I do. It's all your fault you see." " I don't enjoy his shows anymore" is legitimate criticism. Does it make sense to hate him if some overzealous fans tell you you're hating? OTOH, "he's a phony, he's only in it for the money and he doesn't care about fans" is not legitimate unless you're absolutely sure it's true. You can't just spread rumours about others and expect no consequences. I personally don't care about day9 one way or the other. What I'm saying is that a large portion of the community has deified day9 and made it impossible for anyone to criticize him. Now that someone important said something critical of him, all the people who have, for a long time, been unable to express their dislike now have their opportunity to do so. 90% of criticism towards public figures on the internet (not just in eSports) is either unjustified or completely unacceptable in its tone. Day9 just had enough fans who were willing to point it out. They are likely expressing it more venomously than they need to because historically any legitimate criticism has been met with stupid retorts like "haters gonna hate." I honestly think you are giving some people too much credit. Many are simply doing it because they have a psychological need to say bad things about successful people or especially people who seem to receive more attention and appreciation than they do. These kinds of people do exist and they are fairly common too. Which is why "haters gonna hate" is an acceptable retort. It's an efficient way to deal with them. Of course this makes them even angrier but that doesn't mean you're somehow responsible for their anger. People who don't like you don't need to be "dealt with."
LOL, you're making it sound sinister. Certainly ignoring is another option.
Honestly, we just need anti-fan clubs. There is currently no outlet available for someone to express their dislike for something. If they do it in a post, they get flamed, banned, or downvoted. If they make a shitty thread, it gets closed. If you want to hate something, you have to do what I do and write a 3000 word blog post, otherwise you are removed from the discussion. So we get shit like this where everyone has a communal venting of hate and it makes everything shitty for everyone else.
We need designated hate zones.
I thought reddit already qualified 
But seriously, I disagree (for TL at least). I preferred people were nice to each other, criticised with the intention to improve and kept personal attacks to a minimum.
If you think something is so terrible, it's beyond hope, I don't care.
+ Show Spoiler +Wouldn't mind an SKT anti-fan club though
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C'est la vie. You should take a note from a lot of the other guys and just ignore it.
This blog has been fairly amusing.
Btw I do know Sean and Greg quite well thank you.
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On May 24 2012 21:48 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 21:41 hypercube wrote:On May 24 2012 21:25 Gheed wrote:On May 24 2012 21:05 hypercube wrote:On May 24 2012 18:52 Gheed wrote:
When legitimate opinions are dismissed as "hate," the people who have those opinions start to actually hate. "Oh, I didn't actually hate him, but now that you called me out on my bullshit I do. It's all your fault you see." " I don't enjoy his shows anymore" is legitimate criticism. Does it make sense to hate him if some overzealous fans tell you you're hating? OTOH, "he's a phony, he's only in it for the money and he doesn't care about fans" is not legitimate unless you're absolutely sure it's true. You can't just spread rumours about others and expect no consequences. I personally don't care about day9 one way or the other. What I'm saying is that a large portion of the community has deified day9 and made it impossible for anyone to criticize him. Now that someone important said something critical of him, all the people who have, for a long time, been unable to express their dislike now have their opportunity to do so. 90% of criticism towards public figures on the internet (not just in eSports) is either unjustified or completely unacceptable in its tone. Day9 just had enough fans who were willing to point it out. They are likely expressing it more venomously than they need to because historically any legitimate criticism has been met with stupid retorts like "haters gonna hate." I honestly think you are giving some people too much credit. Many are simply doing it because they have a psychological need to say bad things about successful people or especially people who seem to receive more attention and appreciation than they do. These kinds of people do exist and they are fairly common too. Which is why "haters gonna hate" is an acceptable retort. It's an efficient way to deal with them. Of course this makes them even angrier but that doesn't mean you're somehow responsible for their anger. People who don't like you don't need to be "dealt with." Honestly, we just need anti-fan clubs. There is currently no outlet available for someone to express their dislike for something. If they do it in a post, they get flamed, banned, or downvoted. If they make a shitty thread, it gets closed. If you want to hate something, you have to do what I do and write a 3000 word blog post, otherwise you are removed from the discussion. So we get shit like this where everyone has a communal venting of hate and it makes everything shitty for everyone else. We need designated hate zones.
There is one. haha. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235432
It's good to dump all the shit in there and keep all these whiners out of the rest of the forum.
We almost needed one for D3, but I guess almost all the idiots decided to stop playing and shut up.
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On May 24 2012 18:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
i have a theory. it's a somewhat rude theory but i think it's true. compared to other spectator sports sc2 has a disproportionate amount of coverage of community figure's/player's personal opinions and aspects of their lives, which opens up a HUGE potential for the kind of hate you talked about. now why is the coverage skewed in this way? i think it's because the average sc2 fan are lonely nerds who lack social lives and are looking to sc2 to make up for it. they thrive on hateful rumors and discord amoung players, much like the way lonely housewives sit in front of a tv all day eating up celebrity drama. this would also explain why their interactions (mostly reddit "pitchforking") are so illogical/bm.
tldr: sc2 fans are socially awkward assholes
Dunno,, but this actually makes sense
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The best way to shield yourself from hate is to NOT READ THE FUCKING REDDIT COMMENTS.
LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR: DONT READ REDDIT COMMENTS!
Ok, so now you know. There are so many angry nerds with complicated, often hateful opinions spewing from that site. For your own mental health, it isnt worth reading!
I find TL readable because the real assholes get banned immediately. I also find a great deal of TL to be unreadable, but hey thats just me. (general forum im looking @ you)
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I offered day9 a fat ass blunt at NASL Season 1, and was very sad when he refused it.
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But if we don't hate at each other all the time, then this scene would be boring and all the sponsors will pull out! Who wants to be in an environment where we only say nice things to each other? Ewwww.
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I have the right to keep hating Day9
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On May 25 2012 01:13 EienShinwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 18:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
i have a theory. it's a somewhat rude theory but i think it's true. compared to other spectator sports sc2 has a disproportionate amount of coverage of community figure's/player's personal opinions and aspects of their lives, which opens up a HUGE potential for the kind of hate you talked about. now why is the coverage skewed in this way? i think it's because the average sc2 fan are lonely nerds who lack social lives and are looking to sc2 to make up for it. they thrive on hateful rumors and discord amoung players, much like the way lonely housewives sit in front of a tv all day eating up celebrity drama. this would also explain why their interactions (mostly reddit "pitchforking") are so illogical/bm.
tldr: sc2 fans are socially awkward assholes Dunno,, but this actually makes sense
I'm pretty sure the apathetic misanthropes who populate basements do not care about someone saying nigger. You're just both stupid
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