• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:46
CET 00:46
KST 08:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1813Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises1Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
I would like to say something about StarCraft (UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/ BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What monitor do you use for playing Remastered? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 12 Days of Starcraft
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1533 users

SPL SC2BW thoughts (obv spoilers)

Blogs > sixfour
Post a Reply
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
May 20 2012 18:48 GMT
#1
Thought that, after getting up at 4am following champions league epicness and watching 11 hours of starcrack action (well, probably about half and half starcraft and doritos adverts, seemed to be more downtime between games than usual), I'd throw down a few thoughts on the opening day of the SPL season.

I was fucking hyped as hell for this. The main reason being that, for the first time since the GSL open seasons (which are the last GSL's I've watched as I'm not installing GOM's shitty player, allow restreams or stream in a browser for fuck's sake), there's a huge feeling of unknown. Who is actually shit hot at SC2? Who's terrible? Are Stars going to roflpwn because Soulkey's supposed to be elite? Has the level of Brood War regressed a ton? It's a level of unknown not just because you can't tell what the results will be, more that you can't even get an indication. I've not been able to watch much of the back end of last season or the ODT/OSL with work (who'd have thunk it) so there's added "unsure what's going on" factors.

So let's look at the games:

Fantasy > Jaehoon - didn't have much hope for this one. Jaehoon looked pretty pathetic, but he's always going to be a big dog to Fantasy. Was sad how it wasn't even close though.

soo > Sea - sad for this one. <3 Sea. Got to give props to soo though, his drone micro was baller and his muta control was also very nice. Probably one of the better performances of the night, although I always wonder what'd have happened if Sea had just thrown down a couple more turrets in his main.

Best > Sang - what's this, a random player that we've not heard of? He must be practicing SC2 HARD. That said, it's PvP so who knows. Low expectations again, but Best looked OK. Lots of little things that could be worked on, but his control was nice and build orders were favourable enough.

Sun > Jaedong - this was horrible. JD just seemed to lack SC2 gamesense, and Sun didn't seem much better, but at least he didn't suicide shitloads of roaches for no real reason

Horang2 > Stats - knew this one would be good, ridic hyped myself as it's my two favourite players against each other, and horangee's PvP is a joy to watch. Thought Stats had a bit of a lead but tigertoss's control and macro was too good.

Leta < Wooki - pretty meh game, Leta goes for early aggression, Wooki holds, Leta doesn't know when to leave the game.

Hydra < Crazy-Hydra - ZvZ so low expectations but it wasn't too bad. Threatened hive briefly, but CH played it almost too safe after getting an early lead despite a build order disadvantage. Oh well.

BByong < Lizzy - now this guy looks like he can play SC2. Ridic control, knows the game, smacked BByong up something silly. Could be a HUGE weapon for KT throughout the season if they can clean up around him when he has to play BW. BByong didn't look truly awful at least, but outclassed here.

hero[join] > Barracks - trainwreck, this'd have been awful whatever they played, but it was comically bad.

Effort > Flash - now THIS is what we were waiting for. Kind of like Jaedong, feel that Flash is just lacking in game sense and decision making, just allowed Effort to macro up like a boss and wear him down with endless streams of units. Effort looking genuinely good, Flash looking like he'd be OK against most, but not here.

Effort < Lizzy - an ace match'll kind of tell us who they think is actually best at SC2 right now, who plays before really gives us no clue. Much as Effort looked good against Flash, he was made to look ordinary here. Lizzy seems legit, hit at a great timing before Effort reached tier 3.

great < Juni - bad, bad ZvZ, I don't know what the hell great was thinking here

Kal < TurN - Kal kind of just got steamrollered here. Got hit by a large 2-base push, held on for a while and did some decent reaver harass but could never really break it out. Turn's looking decent.

M18M > RorO - OMG WATCH THIS GAME THIS IS WHY I WATCH STARCRAFT, WHO CARES IF IT'LL NEVER WORK AT REAL HIGH LEVELS, IT'S ENTERTAINMENT

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Iris < Jangbi - no quick psi storms? really? Surprised to see Iris turn out really, more surprised that this seemed fairly one-sided. When Jangbi did get storms they were very pretty though, some things never change.

BraQ < Reality - so someone can actually play against Protoss. Reality looked solid, good signs for Khan here. FBH, I don't know.

Clam < Light - LOL vultures

mini > Zero - hilarious game, what the hell was Zero doing to let mini win this. Should be watched just because it's unorthodox PvZ

Last < free - FUCK YEAH FREE, thought he might use sc2 as a way to recover form, but this was a cute proxy elevator play into reavers that caught Last off guard.

Bogus < sHy - shy looked ok. Don't know what Bogus was doing, everything seemed late/off. Another case of decent micro but no real clue in decision making

Trap > Soulkey - was pumped for this following the "omg soulkey sc2 bonjwa" hype, fun game, but I wouldn't say it was that high quality

Classic < Flying - HOORAY STARS WIN. They looked OK here. 11 hours in I kind of forget what was going on at this stage.

Good points? This was FUN. It wasn't high level games on either side but if you came into it thinking that you're going to see code-S level play you're doing it wrong. Think of it as if you're watching triathlon, they're not going to beat Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps but you DON'T EXPECT THEM TO. There was less BW/SC2 to-fro bashing than I expected, although there's obviously a couple of retards here and there that seemed to get the banhammer.

Bad points? Ton of downtime, even more so than BW used to be (or at least that's how it seemed). Level of whining about irrelevant things (stream quality, rumours of who'd cast an unneeded and unwanted English commentary, game quality) was ridiculous. Format denied us Bisu/Stork. Lack of ace matches denied us knowing who is actually really good at SC2.

It was an epic day that I'd watch again. It's going to be an exciting season, as everyone evolves, learns more about the game, we see who's transitioning the best, how the teams handle playing two games at once... Can't wait for the next games, it's just a shame that with work I can't really watch, and even without that they've shifted timings to a real EU-unfriendly slot

****
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
May 20 2012 20:12 GMT
#2
is there a way to see M18M's game?
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 20 2012 20:23 GMT
#3
On May 21 2012 05:12 ondik wrote:
is there a way to see M18M's game?

Here is the vod.



I was laughing during the entire game. It's such a dumb game, but it's so hilarious and entertaining.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 20 2012 20:23 GMT
#4
On May 21 2012 05:12 ondik wrote:
is there a way to see M18M's game?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7D-RUoD6yM&feature=plcp
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
May 20 2012 21:11 GMT
#5
the sc2 portion was fun for me because they had the decision making and game sense of diamond players, and the mechanics, multitasking, and reactions of code S players ahah. SO sharp at picking up incoming drops and observers, but really strange decisions to attack at certain points. Some of the builds were a little funky too. Sayles laid back casting also helped, whereas many of casters would be ragging on how not-top notch they were performing.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 21:16:02
May 20 2012 21:15 GMT
#6
Isent Lizzy(Motive) a former NSHoseo player? I imagine KT trying to drag him thouigh his BW matches as much as posible so he can carry KT in important matches to come. I presume he will be KTs SC2 ace for now.

But oh my someone should really teach these BW terrans how to 1-1-1, would give them such a better winrate :p
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
May 20 2012 21:39 GMT
#7
On May 21 2012 06:15 ragnorr wrote:
Isent Lizzy(Motive) a former NSHoseo player? I imagine KT trying to drag him thouigh his BW matches as much as posible so he can carry KT in important matches to come. I presume he will be KTs SC2 ace for now.

But oh my someone should really teach these BW terrans how to 1-1-1, would give them such a better winrate :p


they'll probably have some success playing him 3rd in BW and trying to 2-0 with flash/stats

personally I didn't really enjoy any of the games too much last night. the BW games were subpar with some players looking like they barely practiced at all, with the exception of most OSL players would obviously are still practicing BW (and that shows in just about every OSL player's games (good at BW, horrible at SC2)). the SC2 matches were bad even for SC2 games. maybe by the end of the season the players will be playing "good" SC2, whatever that means. but until then this will just be a shitfest probably, especially once the OSL ends and no one is practicing BW anymore.

not that a measly Bo3 is any sort of satisfying BW-fill at all
Free Palestine
Destroyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany299 Posts
May 20 2012 22:00 GMT
#8
nice write up. Thanks for the analysis
silentreality
Profile Joined March 2008
Korea (South)222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 01:52:44
May 21 2012 01:51 GMT
#9
I kinda feel sorry for the pros. They have to practice two games at the same time
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
May 21 2012 04:37 GMT
#10
I have to be honest... I kind of hated the mixed league. I liked watching Proleague for BroodWar, but most of the BroodWar games were very sub-par, and the SC2 matches were about as awkward as when Hwaseung Oz put on dresses and wigs and started dancing to k-pop. I just felt starved for more BroodWar. I can only hope mixing the leagues will attract people to play BroodWar again, or pick it up for the first time.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
May 21 2012 04:52 GMT
#11
I kept hoping the teams would split the BW sets, just so we could get a 3rd game. There's just not enough BW in this format, and while the quality of games isn't as good as it was before (because of obvious reasons), it's still more interesting to watch for me at this point -_-
AIV_Funnytoss and sGs.Funnytoss on iCCup
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1d 13h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft427
Nathanias 115
MindelVK 38
EmSc Tv 26
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18098
Hyun 54
NaDa 17
Dota 2
monkeys_forever380
League of Legends
JimRising 610
C9.Mang0210
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King67
Other Games
summit1g7163
tarik_tv5037
Sick180
ZombieGrub121
Organizations
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 26
EmSc2Tv 26
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta53
• naamasc232
• Adnapsc2 8
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki33
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22843
League of Legends
• Doublelift3507
Other Games
• imaqtpie2501
• WagamamaTV494
• Shiphtur246
• Scarra68
• tFFMrPink 22
Upcoming Events
OSC
1d 13h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
OSC
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
2 days
OSC
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Patches Events
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-29
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.