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SPL SC2BW thoughts (obv spoilers)

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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
May 20 2012 18:48 GMT
#1
Thought that, after getting up at 4am following champions league epicness and watching 11 hours of starcrack action (well, probably about half and half starcraft and doritos adverts, seemed to be more downtime between games than usual), I'd throw down a few thoughts on the opening day of the SPL season.

I was fucking hyped as hell for this. The main reason being that, for the first time since the GSL open seasons (which are the last GSL's I've watched as I'm not installing GOM's shitty player, allow restreams or stream in a browser for fuck's sake), there's a huge feeling of unknown. Who is actually shit hot at SC2? Who's terrible? Are Stars going to roflpwn because Soulkey's supposed to be elite? Has the level of Brood War regressed a ton? It's a level of unknown not just because you can't tell what the results will be, more that you can't even get an indication. I've not been able to watch much of the back end of last season or the ODT/OSL with work (who'd have thunk it) so there's added "unsure what's going on" factors.

So let's look at the games:

Fantasy > Jaehoon - didn't have much hope for this one. Jaehoon looked pretty pathetic, but he's always going to be a big dog to Fantasy. Was sad how it wasn't even close though.

soo > Sea - sad for this one. <3 Sea. Got to give props to soo though, his drone micro was baller and his muta control was also very nice. Probably one of the better performances of the night, although I always wonder what'd have happened if Sea had just thrown down a couple more turrets in his main.

Best > Sang - what's this, a random player that we've not heard of? He must be practicing SC2 HARD. That said, it's PvP so who knows. Low expectations again, but Best looked OK. Lots of little things that could be worked on, but his control was nice and build orders were favourable enough.

Sun > Jaedong - this was horrible. JD just seemed to lack SC2 gamesense, and Sun didn't seem much better, but at least he didn't suicide shitloads of roaches for no real reason

Horang2 > Stats - knew this one would be good, ridic hyped myself as it's my two favourite players against each other, and horangee's PvP is a joy to watch. Thought Stats had a bit of a lead but tigertoss's control and macro was too good.

Leta < Wooki - pretty meh game, Leta goes for early aggression, Wooki holds, Leta doesn't know when to leave the game.

Hydra < Crazy-Hydra - ZvZ so low expectations but it wasn't too bad. Threatened hive briefly, but CH played it almost too safe after getting an early lead despite a build order disadvantage. Oh well.

BByong < Lizzy - now this guy looks like he can play SC2. Ridic control, knows the game, smacked BByong up something silly. Could be a HUGE weapon for KT throughout the season if they can clean up around him when he has to play BW. BByong didn't look truly awful at least, but outclassed here.

hero[join] > Barracks - trainwreck, this'd have been awful whatever they played, but it was comically bad.

Effort > Flash - now THIS is what we were waiting for. Kind of like Jaedong, feel that Flash is just lacking in game sense and decision making, just allowed Effort to macro up like a boss and wear him down with endless streams of units. Effort looking genuinely good, Flash looking like he'd be OK against most, but not here.

Effort < Lizzy - an ace match'll kind of tell us who they think is actually best at SC2 right now, who plays before really gives us no clue. Much as Effort looked good against Flash, he was made to look ordinary here. Lizzy seems legit, hit at a great timing before Effort reached tier 3.

great < Juni - bad, bad ZvZ, I don't know what the hell great was thinking here

Kal < TurN - Kal kind of just got steamrollered here. Got hit by a large 2-base push, held on for a while and did some decent reaver harass but could never really break it out. Turn's looking decent.

M18M > RorO - OMG WATCH THIS GAME THIS IS WHY I WATCH STARCRAFT, WHO CARES IF IT'LL NEVER WORK AT REAL HIGH LEVELS, IT'S ENTERTAINMENT

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Iris < Jangbi - no quick psi storms? really? Surprised to see Iris turn out really, more surprised that this seemed fairly one-sided. When Jangbi did get storms they were very pretty though, some things never change.

BraQ < Reality - so someone can actually play against Protoss. Reality looked solid, good signs for Khan here. FBH, I don't know.

Clam < Light - LOL vultures

mini > Zero - hilarious game, what the hell was Zero doing to let mini win this. Should be watched just because it's unorthodox PvZ

Last < free - FUCK YEAH FREE, thought he might use sc2 as a way to recover form, but this was a cute proxy elevator play into reavers that caught Last off guard.

Bogus < sHy - shy looked ok. Don't know what Bogus was doing, everything seemed late/off. Another case of decent micro but no real clue in decision making

Trap > Soulkey - was pumped for this following the "omg soulkey sc2 bonjwa" hype, fun game, but I wouldn't say it was that high quality

Classic < Flying - HOORAY STARS WIN. They looked OK here. 11 hours in I kind of forget what was going on at this stage.

Good points? This was FUN. It wasn't high level games on either side but if you came into it thinking that you're going to see code-S level play you're doing it wrong. Think of it as if you're watching triathlon, they're not going to beat Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps but you DON'T EXPECT THEM TO. There was less BW/SC2 to-fro bashing than I expected, although there's obviously a couple of retards here and there that seemed to get the banhammer.

Bad points? Ton of downtime, even more so than BW used to be (or at least that's how it seemed). Level of whining about irrelevant things (stream quality, rumours of who'd cast an unneeded and unwanted English commentary, game quality) was ridiculous. Format denied us Bisu/Stork. Lack of ace matches denied us knowing who is actually really good at SC2.

It was an epic day that I'd watch again. It's going to be an exciting season, as everyone evolves, learns more about the game, we see who's transitioning the best, how the teams handle playing two games at once... Can't wait for the next games, it's just a shame that with work I can't really watch, and even without that they've shifted timings to a real EU-unfriendly slot

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p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
May 20 2012 20:12 GMT
#2
is there a way to see M18M's game?
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 20 2012 20:23 GMT
#3
On May 21 2012 05:12 ondik wrote:
is there a way to see M18M's game?

Here is the vod.



I was laughing during the entire game. It's such a dumb game, but it's so hilarious and entertaining.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 20 2012 20:23 GMT
#4
On May 21 2012 05:12 ondik wrote:
is there a way to see M18M's game?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7D-RUoD6yM&feature=plcp
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
May 20 2012 21:11 GMT
#5
the sc2 portion was fun for me because they had the decision making and game sense of diamond players, and the mechanics, multitasking, and reactions of code S players ahah. SO sharp at picking up incoming drops and observers, but really strange decisions to attack at certain points. Some of the builds were a little funky too. Sayles laid back casting also helped, whereas many of casters would be ragging on how not-top notch they were performing.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 21:16:02
May 20 2012 21:15 GMT
#6
Isent Lizzy(Motive) a former NSHoseo player? I imagine KT trying to drag him thouigh his BW matches as much as posible so he can carry KT in important matches to come. I presume he will be KTs SC2 ace for now.

But oh my someone should really teach these BW terrans how to 1-1-1, would give them such a better winrate :p
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8159 Posts
May 20 2012 21:39 GMT
#7
On May 21 2012 06:15 ragnorr wrote:
Isent Lizzy(Motive) a former NSHoseo player? I imagine KT trying to drag him thouigh his BW matches as much as posible so he can carry KT in important matches to come. I presume he will be KTs SC2 ace for now.

But oh my someone should really teach these BW terrans how to 1-1-1, would give them such a better winrate :p


they'll probably have some success playing him 3rd in BW and trying to 2-0 with flash/stats

personally I didn't really enjoy any of the games too much last night. the BW games were subpar with some players looking like they barely practiced at all, with the exception of most OSL players would obviously are still practicing BW (and that shows in just about every OSL player's games (good at BW, horrible at SC2)). the SC2 matches were bad even for SC2 games. maybe by the end of the season the players will be playing "good" SC2, whatever that means. but until then this will just be a shitfest probably, especially once the OSL ends and no one is practicing BW anymore.

not that a measly Bo3 is any sort of satisfying BW-fill at all
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Destroyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany299 Posts
May 20 2012 22:00 GMT
#8
nice write up. Thanks for the analysis
silentreality
Profile Joined March 2008
Korea (South)222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-21 01:52:44
May 21 2012 01:51 GMT
#9
I kinda feel sorry for the pros. They have to practice two games at the same time
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
May 21 2012 04:37 GMT
#10
I have to be honest... I kind of hated the mixed league. I liked watching Proleague for BroodWar, but most of the BroodWar games were very sub-par, and the SC2 matches were about as awkward as when Hwaseung Oz put on dresses and wigs and started dancing to k-pop. I just felt starved for more BroodWar. I can only hope mixing the leagues will attract people to play BroodWar again, or pick it up for the first time.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
May 21 2012 04:52 GMT
#11
I kept hoping the teams would split the BW sets, just so we could get a 3rd game. There's just not enough BW in this format, and while the quality of games isn't as good as it was before (because of obvious reasons), it's still more interesting to watch for me at this point -_-
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