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koreasilver
9109 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330888 is full of so many delusional posts. Like, there's so many of them that I just have to accept that a lot of them are earnest. The thing is, I don't even find it to be enthusiasm anymore. Just a kind of broken and seriously unhealthy devotion. It's basically cult-like sometimes. Eh. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On May 03 2012 00:14 ZoW wrote: did you know the whole "ESPORTS" thing was originally used as a sarcastic and satirical joke? funny how things turn out eh Funny how it comes full circle, no? ;D | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
On May 03 2012 01:07 Chef wrote: In capitals, maybe, but Korean Esports Association existed for a long time before 'esports' was made fun of. It was the sincere effort to make video games into sports, and BW was the one they experience the most success with (although kart rider and Sudden Fight still seems to be going on, I think they're pretty niche little productions; no idea what their players make). Didn't you translate interviews where sponsors said there was significant fanbase in korea still? I am confused on this point. I thought it wasn't that the korean fanbase got too small, it's that sponsors saw SC2 and said 'hey an international game' and thought international branding is more attractive. Maybe esports tv one season of proleague was supposed to be a too little too late effort to prove bw has a foreign audience. But streamers on TL were still king, I saw them with 2000 simultaneous viewers a lot, which might not have been calculated by any sponsors. zz~ I think this point requires more careful thought. Yeah, I translated a bunch of articles in the past. There are conflicting opinions and "facts", as it is usually the case with media. I'm not there live at Korea to witness the number of fans at the Yongsan stadium, nor do I know the exact viewership statistics, so I can't say for sure. My impression is that the number of fans were on the decline ever since the scandal, and it showed in some of the recent ODT matches where a ton of seats were empty (despite OSL being the only BW tournament available right now). There are probably still a good number of fans, but not enough to sustain the scene in the eyes of the sponsors. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On the other hand, KESPA is pretty damn clear that BW leagues are no longer viable even inside Korea. How would anything you and I do to prevent that? | ||
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3Form
United Kingdom389 Posts
I went to a BarCraft for the MLG and as I was waiting for my friend to arrive the organiser came and spoke to me. I told him that I honestly preferred Brood War to SC2 and he said words to the effect of "But eurgh, that can't be so great to watch, all pixelated and that? Wouldn't look good on the big screen." I bit my tongue and smiled! I would have thought that somebody organising a BarCraft would have been somebody involved with StarCraft for a long time. Turns out that most of the people going crazy for SC2 had very little time for Brood War back when it was flourishing and are therefore clueless. Attracted to SC2 by the hype machine. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
On May 03 2012 01:35 koreasilver wrote: To continue from my last post in here, this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330888 is full of so many delusional posts. Like, there's so many of them that I just have to accept that a lot of them are earnest. The thing is, I don't even find it to be enthusiasm anymore. Just a kind of broken and seriously unhealthy devotion. It's basically cult-like sometimes. Eh. hahaha yeah some shit in that thread is ridiculous | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On May 03 2012 02:31 3Form wrote: Because SC2 killed Brood War? I went to a BarCraft for the MLG and as I was waiting for my friend to arrive the organiser came and spoke to me. I told him that I honestly preferred Brood War to SC2 and he said words to the effect of "But eurgh, that can't be so great to watch, all pixelated and that? Wouldn't look good on the big screen." I bit my tongue and smiled! I would have thought that somebody organising a BarCraft would have been somebody involved with StarCraft for a long time. Turns out that most of the people going crazy for SC2 had very little time for Brood War back when it was flourishing and are therefore clueless. Attracted to SC2 by the hype machine. That's the funny thing - only perhaps half a dozen barcraft organizers (of roughly five-hundred involved) were around for the BW scene (I am not one of them). | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
while BW still is definitely bigger than SC2 in Korea, it seems that the Koreans/KESPA believes that BW will continue declining, so they are going to attempt to transition to SC2 because it has a larger global following and is attracting more international sponsors whether this transition to SC2 will actually be successful or not, I don't know. I'm not even sure if the Koreans will accept SC2 to the point of fandom that BW currently possesses, but KESPA is hoping a revitalization will happen through SC2. | ||
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
That's the f*cking truth. | ||
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On May 03 2012 07:02 Arterial wrote: Because when people say "esports" they just mean Starcraft II. That's the f*cking truth. I have to wonder if that's even true sometimes. I mean, when was the last time you heard someone actually praise SC2 itself? The discussion is always about players or tournaments or whatever stupid drama Reddit came up with for the week. The only time people talk about the game is complaining about shit being imba. | ||
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
Could it be the start of something? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On May 03 2012 01:54 N.geNuity wrote: because ESPORTS is stupid and koreans don't pay tickets to watch. This be true. Yet, in the Western world we can dish out over 500 bucks a year just to watch HD online streams. On May 03 2012 07:02 Arterial wrote: Because when people say "esports" they just mean Starcraft II. That's the f*cking truth. No, that's only the guys who came around during SC2. Esports has been used to describe our gaming trends for a very long time. It really isn't a new expression, but because people want to see video games do well as spectator sports and they want this ideal communion, which doesn't exist when you see all the jockeying. It was always a bullshit expression and as someone pointed out before. Promoting esports on this very website started off as a joke. When we talk about esports and WCG they were pretty serious at the time, but then again you'll have people saying that the WCG competition was always a joke in the same breath. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
Things are bound to change alas everything related to the internet changes extremely fast. Is it sad to see ? Yes, but it's inevitable. MySpace was bound to die when Facebook first appeared, and nowadays it is a shadow of its former glory. BW will have the same destiny. Whether you choose to do emotional circlejerk all the time in every part of TL or not. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
This professionals refuse to switch because cs 1.6 is the game they chose to play with professionally do they want to switch to something that they deem is sub par ? I don't think so . Talking about change sc2 death is also inevitable if it doesn't step up it's game to develop a much more friendly UI/social and appeal to the game . I can already see Dota2 and LoL numbers increasing everyday sooner or later one of these two will be the new e-sport . | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
I can make a very similar list as the one you did for esports. Why bother with iTunes ? Why can't I have an external SD card ? Why is it such a pain in the ass to remove my SIM card unless I always keep a paper clip in my pocket ? Why can't I have a second battery ? And all of the above for a higher price ? At least Steve Jobs had more qualities than Dustin Browder and Paul Sams altogether. | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Thank you Korea and the desire to play computer games competitively. | ||
jpak
United States5045 Posts
On May 04 2012 01:12 Pure-SC2 wrote: Esports saved BW for over 10 years. That is unheard of in the history of competitive gaming. Thank you Korea and the desire to play computer games competitively. I think you mean, "BW saved 'esports'." | ||
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