• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 23:05
CET 05:05
KST 13:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1815Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises2Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
I would like to say something about StarCraft (UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/ BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What monitor do you use for playing Remastered? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 12 Days of Starcraft
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1696 users

Why didn't ESPORTS save BW?

Blogs > BrosephBrostar
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
May 02 2012 11:41 GMT
#1
When I think about all the things people say would be great "for esports" I notice a funny pattern.

Wouldn't it be great if...

...there was lan?
...games were on tv?
...teams had bigger sponsors?
...commentary was more professional?
...battles were more multi-dimensional?
...carriers didn't suck?


The conclusion always seems to be "buy more tshirts" or "wait for HotS," but hold on a minute- didn't we already have game with all of that stuff? Where were our esports champions when BW was struggling? They were cheering on its death "for esports."

If everyone cares so much about esports why didn't they lift a finger to try to save the game that made "esports" a serious thing? Because the graphics are too old? Because it doesn't have English commentary? People could have petitioned Blizzard for a HD remake. They could have tried to build up English-speaking community interest through twitter and youtube. But no, they were too busy throwing shitstorms because someone said "nigger" on the internet.

What if "esports" wasn't about gaming as a legitimate sport? What if it was about certain companies profiting off of easilly manipulated netizens? Then the situation would make a lot more sense. Let's go back to the "What if" questions. How often does the given answer involve buying something? Who really wants "esports" to take off?

Maybe you think this is crazy conspiracy theory, but when you're looking back 10 years from now you'll be sorry your build didn't include a tin foil armor timing.

***
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
May 02 2012 11:48 GMT
#2
Because "for exports" is just a stupid slogan with no real meaning.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 02 2012 11:51 GMT
#3
On May 02 2012 20:48 Grend wrote:
Because "for exports" is just a stupid slogan with no real meaning.


And people like shiny things.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 11:52:36
May 02 2012 11:52 GMT
#4
esports isnt a legit sport. Sports last a long time. All sports stay around and have a long history. BW, the last chance of that failed (long history, good gameplay throughout time) died. It was also nice that BW had consistent contenders (some players consistently make ro8, some are dominant, etc)

We have to wait a lot longer for another change of getting a real esport. O well.

Jaedong :3
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 02 2012 12:03 GMT
#5
Because BW don't have super duper cool effects. And isnt noob friendly. Also it wouldn't bring as much money as 3 new games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
May 02 2012 12:34 GMT
#6
On May 02 2012 20:51 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 20:48 Grend wrote:
Because "for exports" is just a stupid slogan with no real meaning.


And people like shiny things.


Also it's the new thing to do and it's cool to play sc2 not playing it makes you a hipster.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
May 02 2012 12:38 GMT
#7
It lasted longer than any other game. What more do you want?
Liquid | SKT
Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
May 02 2012 12:58 GMT
#8
English free streams would have helped a lot. Kespa too short sighted to do it.
www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 12:59:47
May 02 2012 12:59 GMT
#9
--- Nuked ---
Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
May 02 2012 13:30 GMT
#10
I'm sorry pal , but out there things and people arent like in TL

there is no Rekrul working inside Blizzard, no one who really cared about anything that we did
while we were asking for mutalisk micro in star2, blizzard wasnt really willing to do, when we asked for LAN , Blizz's will was strong enough not to implement that~

now , everything dies with time my tl friend, even our universe is getting colder and is close to its 0 Kelvin
move on, you can just leave TL and RTS, try playing indie games or something like that
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 02 2012 14:03 GMT
#11
Some people who never liked watching nor playing BW


what
starleague forever
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
May 02 2012 14:30 GMT
#12
Even though I don't like it, LoL is the biggest esport now. Why is that so? Free to play, simple gameplay. It is accessible to the masses. Why do certain sports like soccer (football) and basketball have a huge following too? The same reasons. BW has one of the most user-unfriendly gameplay features: 12 unit selection, worker rally etc. The only reason why BW didn't die sooner is because there's no other RTS which is actually balanced. In this modern day and age, things get outdated really quickly. BW has lived longer than any other game; you should take pride in that.
=Þ
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 02 2012 15:05 GMT
#13
esports isn't real.

The very idea of this type of communion is flawed. Thus it has no meaning when we talk about sports as a whole.

Soccer fans don't have to look Football even though both are a sport.

Same principle applies to every gaming title.

Just watch what you enjoy watching because at the end of the day that's all that matters.
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
May 02 2012 15:14 GMT
#14
did you know the whole "ESPORTS" thing was originally used as a sarcastic and satirical joke? funny how things turn out eh
the courage to be a lazy bum
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 15:43:49
May 02 2012 15:43 GMT
#15
Pretty sure eSports doesn't only include Blizzard titles so, other than the fact that the only people who would be interested in saving BW would be avid BW fans themselves, I don't think anyone else really gives a shit about eSports. They only give a shit about their own games.

-edit-

Which is ironic I said that because I am a 'eSports enthusiast' hmm....
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
May 02 2012 15:54 GMT
#16
On May 02 2012 20:48 Grend wrote:
Because "for exports" is just a stupid slogan with no real meaning.


I love exports!

Also yeah, I really want to see Idra in a shiny space suit like
Writer
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
May 02 2012 16:00 GMT
#17
Well, the game has been played for over a decade. I mean, everyone must have at least wondered in the back of their heads, even when BW was still roaring strong pre-scandal, how long this game would last, right? Anyone who literally thought that "BW is forever!" just had to be delusional. Even more so for those people that say those things now... it actually puzzles me when some posters I don't recognize say those things. It must be figurative, but I wonder if some of those posts are actually earnest.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
May 02 2012 16:07 GMT
#18
eSports is real because the community is real. There is fan support. There are fans who would make times available in their precious lives to spare a couple hours to watch live, on TV, or on stream, the valiant battles between passionate professionals that elevated the level of play to unprecedented levels.

eSports didn't save BW because the fans left, and the sponsors then found little reasons to continue pouring money into where the fans weren't at. Why did the fans leave? Maybe some got tired of watching the same game over and over. Some moved on to the new, shiny, and simple things. Many fans left after match-fixing scandal because they were disappointed and disgusted.

eSports is what the fans make out of it. It's exactly where the fans are. If the fans think words like nigger, faggot, and gook are acceptable because it's "the internet", then that's exactly what eSports stand for. If blatantly throwing a broadcast match is fine as long as the results didn't matter to the tournament standings, then that's what eSports is worth - nothing unless it matters for some tournament standings!
[TLMS] REBOOT
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
May 02 2012 16:07 GMT
#19
The esports is a lie.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 16:12:22
May 02 2012 16:07 GMT
#20
On May 03 2012 00:14 ZoW wrote:
did you know the whole "ESPORTS" thing was originally used as a sarcastic and satirical joke? funny how things turn out eh

In capitals, maybe, but Korean Esports Association existed for a long time before 'esports' was made fun of. It was the sincere effort to make video games into sports, and BW was the one they experience the most success with (although kart rider and Sudden Fight still seems to be going on, I think they're pretty niche little productions; no idea what their players make).

eSports didn't save BW because the fans left

Didn't you translate interviews where sponsors said there was significant fanbase in korea still? I am confused on this point. I thought it wasn't that the korean fanbase got too small, it's that sponsors saw SC2 and said 'hey an international game' and thought international branding is more attractive. Maybe esports tv one season of proleague was supposed to be a too little too late effort to prove bw has a foreign audience. But streamers on TL were still king, I saw them with 2000 simultaneous viewers a lot, which might not have been calculated by any sponsors.

zz~ I think this point requires more careful thought.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1d 8h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 158
StarCraft: Brood War
ZergMaN 196
Hyun 98
NaDa 66
Icarus 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm161
LuMiX0
League of Legends
C9.Mang0472
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv5795
Super Smash Bros
amsayoshi47
Other Games
Mew2King44
kaitlyn21
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1336
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 160
• Berry_CruncH130
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki48
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra6033
Upcoming Events
OSC
1d 8h
Korean StarCraft League
1d 22h
OSC
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
2 days
OSC
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Patches Events
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-Race Season 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.