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How Teamliquid.net Missed the Boat on MOBAs.

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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
April 17 2012 02:27 GMT
#1
That TL survived for more than half a decade without a whisper about SC2 from Blizzard is amazing. During that time, SCBW's Official Ladder became polluted with Hackers and Bots, series like WoW, CoD, and Halo controlled the attention of nearly every living gamer, and the number of serious SC players outside of Korea dwindled to the thousands.

Still, TL thrived. The Korean scene contributed to this, but Korea was thousands of miles from most TL users, and traversing that distance was nearly impossible. Streaming content was inaccessible to all but the most persistent, replays were jealously hoarded, and capricious prima dona translators teased and tortured as much as they helped bridge the gap between Foreigners and Koreans.

TL survived because everyone on this site knew--Knew BW was the best game in the world. If another game became more popular, what of it? BW players had the unconditional self-confidence high school counselors fantasize about. Proof? Iconic videos and pictures from mysterious Korea. The unromantic realities of being anyone but a Bonjwa were easily ignored.

So TL survived and and grew explosively with SC2. Unfortunately, that unwavering belief which sustained TL during the lean BW years has proven to be a knife which cuts both ways. Even though TL was poised to be the ESPN of ESPORTS, as LoL and other MOBAs experience booms exceeding even SC2's, TL will not share that growth. The ubiquitous belief that SC is the pinnacle of gaming has salted the soil MOBAs had to grow in on this site.

BW Elitists are the Puritans of TL. Moderation has proved ineffectual in changing the mores of this site. The disparaged MOBA community has moved elsewhere.

Now you probably expect me to entreat SC players to be more accepting of games. I won't. I said it in the title: TL missed the boat. Cordiality is preferable, but at this point, it won't have any significant effect on this site. I also won't regret the past. The only way things could've been different would be if we didn't love BW as much as we did. I'm sad that TL won't be the premier MOBA site, but wouldn't have it any other way. If a widower decides never to remarry because he loved his wife so extravagantly, who are you to judge?

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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 17 2012 02:31 GMT
#2
I think missing implies that one was trying to catch it.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
April 17 2012 02:32 GMT
#3
...What? Team Liquid is a Starcraft site. I highly, highly doubt the TL staff was all "Well crap, we'd like to change gears to MOBA's, but that won't work because of how much we've crapped on them." Wrong. It won't work because this is a Starcraft site, not a general e-sports site. We have a subforum for LoL and a subforum for DotA 2, but the focus is on BW and SC2, as it should be. Not because SC is the best game in the world, or no other game counts as an e-sport, but because that's what Team Liquid IS. Maybe we should get shoryuken.net to change over to MOBA's too, that's way more of an e-sport than fighting games...fighting games are nothing compared even to SC2, audience wise.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
April 17 2012 02:35 GMT
#4
why should TL be focused around bad games? You said it yourself. "If another game became more popular, what of it?"
MOBA's are poor competitive games and LoL is a fucking dumb downed noobified version of an already casual friendly genre. (Obviously im bashing on dota a little harshly i know, but it cant even scale in comparison to bw.)

TLDR; Fuck LoL.
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
April 17 2012 02:36 GMT
#5
Why did we want to catch the MOBA boat?
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 17 2012 02:41 GMT
#6
if u thought the sc2 community was bad, good lord u havent seen mobas forum whine lol
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 17 2012 02:42 GMT
#7
yo starcraft site follows starcraft ..
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 17 2012 02:43 GMT
#8
I prefer DOTA-genre boat
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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
April 17 2012 02:45 GMT
#9
The moba boat has holes.
strava.com/athletes/zhaodynasty
ArnO-
Profile Joined May 2008
United States258 Posts
April 17 2012 02:45 GMT
#10
Logged in just so I could rate this blog 1 star because of how terrible it is.
FreezingAssassin
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States455 Posts
April 17 2012 02:47 GMT
#11
On April 17 2012 11:42 johnnywup wrote:
yo starcraft site follows starcraft ..


Couldnt have been better said
"I love when stupid stuff happens, it makes me look smart" - IdrA
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 02:51:59
April 17 2012 02:48 GMT
#12
Even though TL was poised to be the ESPN of ESPORTS

I'm so confused as to how you believe this to be true, unless you're referring to the blogs section, which is certainly the ESPN of excellent posting.

The disparaged MOBA community has moved elsewhere.

Yeah, its not like there are entire subforums devoted to League and DOTA on this website.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 03:00:54
April 17 2012 02:52 GMT
#13
the number of serious SC players outside of Korea dwindled to the thousands.

There is no way that is accurate. If you are going to use a number like that which dumb users will take at face value, get it right. Sorry that I am not giving the rest of your post the attention it deserves, but you started it off with something like that.... I mean Blizzard gives you the number of users currently active every time you log in. UMS in BW was extremely popular for a very long time, communities that had no idea about the proscene were huge just because they loved mapping and what Brood War offered for them.

Regarding the rest of your post... many questionable things. If anything BW players are embracing LoL and such more than SC2. TL was amazingly prepared to receive SC2 up the butt and accommodate it in every way possible, but that doesn't really mean they're shunning those other games, just that it had confidence in SC2. Other stuff you say about the korean scene being proof for BW fans that BW was the greatest game... I don't think that is true at all. The proof was the game itself. It wasn't till 2006-7 or so that people could even follow the scene properly and easily. Before that people actually cared about the foreign scene and replays and the ladder and the UMS games. It turned into progaming predominantly when it became so easy to get VODs, but there was a long time when you could spend an hour downloading one random VOD in super low quality from 2 years ago and that was all you got.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
April 17 2012 02:58 GMT
#14
I'm a Puritan?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 03:02:43
April 17 2012 03:00 GMT
#15
On April 17 2012 11:52 Chef wrote:
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the number of serious SC players outside of Korea dwindled to the thousands.

There is no way that is accurate. If you are going to use a number like that which dumb users will take at face value, get it right.



Now this is something I would like to be corrected on if you have input. My estimation was based # of posters on Teamliquid.net along with the number of concurrent players on PGT and ICCUP. If my memory serves me correctly, that amount of players on those servers was in the hundred during the mornings and broke a thousand at night. From that picked the vague number of "thousands," and not for example "tens of thousands" of serious players.

I didn't do any statistical analysis, but the jump seemed safe to me. I'd be happy to hear evidence to the contrary (and edit my post). I don't want to diminish BW. And my recollection may very well have been flawed.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 17 2012 03:02 GMT
#16
Well I guess it depends on the definition of a serious SC player. If you are only counting people who laddered in 2007, you might be right But I consider people who UMS'd and mapped for years and years for a single game to be fairly serious about the game.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 03:09:19
April 17 2012 03:08 GMT
#17
TL survived because not because it's elitist but because BW is a good fucking game. this post is so silly I can't really pick out one reason it's bad, but no one watched BW because we were trying to be elitist, it was just the best game to watch. TL has existed and will continue to exist because the community demands starcraft.

TL didnt miss the boat on anything because moba's are boring as shit, and this is coming from me who watches and plays a shitton of lol. I constantly watch stream and play lol because it's easy to play and streams are entertaining. however, there will never be a centralized lol community because there is no depth to the game. now I don't know about dota 2, because it's being done so fucking well by valve it's silly, but TL didn't miss the boat on anything because there's no esports reporting to be done on mobas. can you imagine a post about a game of lol that tried to be as analytical as some of the SC posts we get? it would be ridiculous, along the lines of "they were farming, then someone fucked up, and then the game was over from there on out" which is essentially what every game of lol boils down to.
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 17 2012 03:10 GMT
#18
I really don't think we missed the boat considering sites like SoloMid.net are on top of it already, and we have a section devoted to it on TL anyways...
Relevant pic~~~~
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Pretty sure the LoL and DotA stuff is right above Blogs, where this masterpeice was posted.
User was warned for too many mimes.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
April 17 2012 03:12 GMT
#19
Actually most people hating on mobas are SC2 players who are angry that SC2 is being eclipsed by LoL in korea.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 17 2012 03:13 GMT
#20
On April 17 2012 11:58 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I'm a Puritan?


Does this mean we can burn people at the stake now?



i've always wanted to burn someone at the stake
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