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ComebackKid
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada105 Posts
April 10 2012 15:26 GMT
#21
Great list.

I think that Axlav, Major or Haypro should take Cloud out of the top 30... that's just my thought tho.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 15:28:29
April 10 2012 15:26 GMT
#22
1) Lucifron fucking raped the gathering. SjoW lost in the early stages. SjoW in general seems quite overrated by most, watch his latest results carefully. White-Ra (who plays vs top players obviously) doesnt win anything lately, he simply has huge popularity and gets invited to everything, basically winning nothing lately.

2) about illusion and snute - id put them on 31 and 32. Illusion is solid, but i dont see him winning a bo7 against the players in the top 30 offline yet. Snute won a big tournament, yes - but he also dropped out of others quite early.

3) About Socke. Yes, he did very well at MLG. But also, he lost 3-1 to cloud in the german eps - he obviously was jet-lagged a little bit, but hes quite inconsistant in general. watch the MLG groupstages as well! he can be a great top 10 player, but he can also get raped but non-top30s regularly i feel. still, he won some ranks.

4) About ClouD: see above. Wins 3-1 vs socke just to lose vs "Krrr" at the gathering (or copenhagen games?) 2 weeks later. Quite inconsistent. MaJoR in the top 30? maybe, but he doesnt have any results tbh.


This is just my resoning behind some placements, it dosnt mean im right and youre wrong - just clarification
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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
April 10 2012 15:26 GMT
#23
Idra too high, happy to see TLO getting recognized.
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Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 15:34:59
April 10 2012 15:34 GMT
#24
Putting HuK over NaniWa is questionable. IdrA does not belong in the top 10 I would say(or even in the top 30 if it was not for his big tournament experience, his results are piss-poor this year). I would put ToD alot higher just thanks to his TvP.

Just my thoughts from skimming the list.

valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
April 10 2012 15:47 GMT
#25
So what's this list based on? Montly ranking? Or how much a certain played accomplished from the beginning of 2012 up until the given month?

Because if:
1) Idra is 4-9 which is roughly 30%. Even if he took those maps (not a whole set) vs Koreans, it's still not #8 worthy.
and if:
2) He's 19-46 which is under 30%. This doesn't need an explanation.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 10 2012 15:48 GMT
#26
watch against who idra played as well.
watch idras games.

hes still quite good and a bit "overhated" currently
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UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
April 10 2012 15:52 GMT
#27
There are a few overrated people, Idra probably should be a few spots lower, Lucifron is not a top 20 foreigner based on merit sorry, and Ret at 4? Wtf? TLO is also very off and on, it's difficult for me to place him above a lot of people because of the inconsistent results.

Other than that, awesome list, this is actually pretty accurate as to who the top 30 foreigners would be.
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huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
April 10 2012 16:07 GMT
#28
On April 11 2012 00:26 KalWarkov wrote:
1) Lucifron fucking raped the gathering. SjoW lost in the early stages. SjoW in general seems quite overrated by most, watch his latest results carefully. White-Ra (who plays vs top players obviously) doesnt win anything lately, he simply has huge popularity and gets invited to everything, basically winning nothing lately.

2) about illusion and snute - id put them on 31 and 32. Illusion is solid, but i dont see him winning a bo7 against the players in the top 30 offline yet. Snute won a big tournament, yes - but he also dropped out of others quite early.

3) About Socke. Yes, he did very well at MLG. But also, he lost 3-1 to cloud in the german eps - he obviously was jet-lagged a little bit, but hes quite inconsistant in general. watch the MLG groupstages as well! he can be a great top 10 player, but he can also get raped but non-top30s regularly i feel. still, he won some ranks.

4) About ClouD: see above. Wins 3-1 vs socke just to lose vs "Krrr" at the gathering (or copenhagen games?) 2 weeks later. Quite inconsistent. MaJoR in the top 30? maybe, but he doesnt have any results tbh.


This is just my resoning behind some placements, it dosnt mean im right and youre wrong - just clarification
its pretty hard to write those lists, but its fun for me!^^

Illusion beat like 3 Koreans at IPL tho.. I definetly think he could win some BO7's against the top 30 guys.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 10 2012 16:15 GMT
#29
You forgot Rebecca.
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Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 16:21:06
April 10 2012 16:20 GMT
#30
Idra should be a few spots lower, but then there wouldn't be anyone to replace him(he has played very tough opponents). If Lucifron is on that list, so should be Scarlett, as she beat a whole caliber stronger players. But in the larger picture, Lucifron shouldn't be there.
Demuslim is also overrated imo, no real meaningful results.
I also feel that bling should be a bit higher, or I'm overrating him, not sure.

It's kinda sad to look at that list and then compare them with Koreans. Only the top ~8 foreigners can even hope to compete with Koreans, and even then it's difficult.
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PandaTank
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa255 Posts
April 10 2012 16:22 GMT
#31
I think thats pretty acurate. The order is pretty subjective. But the top 30 is acurate IMO.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
April 10 2012 16:25 GMT
#32
Stephano vs huk is always a hard choice to put at the top. they havn't played eachother in a long while.
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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 10 2012 16:44 GMT
#33
Idra in the top ten? I don't agree with that. Idra has been in a tail spin for the last 6 months, I don't think he's won a single tournament and has been getting eliminated quite early in a lot of the major tournaments lately. Listing him as the #3 foreign zerg is a bit crazy. Right now that position belongs to Sheth. While he lost early to Kawaii Rice at the last MLG, up to that point he's been doing amazingly. He was TL's Korean killer in the IPL team League, and definetly deserves to be higher than Ret.

On April 11 2012 00:34 Hypemeup wrote:
Putting HuK over NaniWa is questionable. IdrA does not belong in the top 10 I would say(or even in the top 30 if it was not for his big tournament experience, his results are piss-poor this year). I would put ToD alot higher just thanks to his TvP.

Just my thoughts from skimming the list.



Naniwa performed amazingly at MLG Providence, but otherwise he hasn't been performing terribly well IMO. At MLG winter championship I believe HuK beat him and nocked him out of the Championship bracket. The thing is, HuK has been more or less consistant. He's always one of the highest placing foreigners at each tournament and has even had limited success in the GSL. For me, consistant winning is a better indicator of a higher calibre player than one big tournament win. Honestly, I would put HuK at #1 on this list above Stephano, who I should point out has not won two MLGs....
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
April 10 2012 16:53 GMT
#34
Stephano not high enough imo :p also i like reading these lists and people's opinions on them, not pointless at all!
Zuor
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland377 Posts
April 10 2012 17:06 GMT
#35
Idra doesn't ever deserve to be there...
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 10 2012 17:27 GMT
#36
On April 11 2012 01:44 TheToast wrote:
Idra in the top ten? I don't agree with that. Idra has been in a tail spin for the last 6 months, I don't think he's won a single tournament and has been getting eliminated quite early in a lot of the major tournaments lately. Listing him as the #3 foreign zerg is a bit crazy. Right now that position belongs to Sheth. While he lost early to Kawaii Rice at the last MLG, up to that point he's been doing amazingly. He was TL's Korean killer in the IPL team League, and definetly deserves to be higher than Ret.

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 00:34 Hypemeup wrote:
Putting HuK over NaniWa is questionable. IdrA does not belong in the top 10 I would say(or even in the top 30 if it was not for his big tournament experience, his results are piss-poor this year). I would put ToD alot higher just thanks to his TvP.

Just my thoughts from skimming the list.



Naniwa performed amazingly at MLG Providence, but otherwise he hasn't been performing terribly well IMO. At MLG winter championship I believe HuK beat him and nocked him out of the Championship bracket. The thing is, HuK has been more or less consistant. He's always one of the highest placing foreigners at each tournament and has even had limited success in the GSL. For me, consistant winning is a better indicator of a higher calibre player than one big tournament win. Honestly, I would put HuK at #1 on this list above Stephano, who I should point out has not won two MLGs....


put stephano in the MLG pool play 6 times in a row. see what happens
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TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
April 10 2012 17:36 GMT
#37
Whoa, No Major on this list? Not even on the second list?
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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 17:41:28
April 10 2012 17:41 GMT
#38
On April 11 2012 02:27 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 01:44 TheToast wrote:
Idra in the top ten? I don't agree with that. Idra has been in a tail spin for the last 6 months, I don't think he's won a single tournament and has been getting eliminated quite early in a lot of the major tournaments lately. Listing him as the #3 foreign zerg is a bit crazy. Right now that position belongs to Sheth. While he lost early to Kawaii Rice at the last MLG, up to that point he's been doing amazingly. He was TL's Korean killer in the IPL team League, and definetly deserves to be higher than Ret.

On April 11 2012 00:34 Hypemeup wrote:
Putting HuK over NaniWa is questionable. IdrA does not belong in the top 10 I would say(or even in the top 30 if it was not for his big tournament experience, his results are piss-poor this year). I would put ToD alot higher just thanks to his TvP.

Just my thoughts from skimming the list.



Naniwa performed amazingly at MLG Providence, but otherwise he hasn't been performing terribly well IMO. At MLG winter championship I believe HuK beat him and nocked him out of the Championship bracket. The thing is, HuK has been more or less consistant. He's always one of the highest placing foreigners at each tournament and has even had limited success in the GSL. For me, consistant winning is a better indicator of a higher calibre player than one big tournament win. Honestly, I would put HuK at #1 on this list above Stephano, who I should point out has not won two MLGs....


put stephano in the MLG pool play 6 times in a row. see what happens


Well now that MLG is seeding people through the Spring Arenas (which stephano isn't getting seeded because of his poor placement and Winther Champs.) we may not find out....
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 10 2012 17:48 GMT
#39
On April 11 2012 02:41 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 02:27 KalWarkov wrote:
On April 11 2012 01:44 TheToast wrote:
Idra in the top ten? I don't agree with that. Idra has been in a tail spin for the last 6 months, I don't think he's won a single tournament and has been getting eliminated quite early in a lot of the major tournaments lately. Listing him as the #3 foreign zerg is a bit crazy. Right now that position belongs to Sheth. While he lost early to Kawaii Rice at the last MLG, up to that point he's been doing amazingly. He was TL's Korean killer in the IPL team League, and definetly deserves to be higher than Ret.

On April 11 2012 00:34 Hypemeup wrote:
Putting HuK over NaniWa is questionable. IdrA does not belong in the top 10 I would say(or even in the top 30 if it was not for his big tournament experience, his results are piss-poor this year). I would put ToD alot higher just thanks to his TvP.

Just my thoughts from skimming the list.



Naniwa performed amazingly at MLG Providence, but otherwise he hasn't been performing terribly well IMO. At MLG winter championship I believe HuK beat him and nocked him out of the Championship bracket. The thing is, HuK has been more or less consistant. He's always one of the highest placing foreigners at each tournament and has even had limited success in the GSL. For me, consistant winning is a better indicator of a higher calibre player than one big tournament win. Honestly, I would put HuK at #1 on this list above Stephano, who I should point out has not won two MLGs....


put stephano in the MLG pool play 6 times in a row. see what happens


Well now that MLG is seeding people through the Spring Arenas (which stephano isn't getting seeded because of his poor placement and Winther Champs.) we may not find out....



i mean last year, not this year. he didnt play the qualifier for MLG, thats why he wasnt seeded^^

Major is in the 2nd list, he might be top 30, but he doesnt post any results tbh
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YourMom
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania565 Posts
April 10 2012 17:58 GMT
#40
If you put Idrah so high thinking he plays koreans you have to know that he is way under 50% win-rate against them like most mediocre forigners. Even Scarlett should place higher than him lol.
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