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i've always wondered why sc2 didnt become as popular in korea as it did internationally. if u look closely, everything points toward sc2 being big in korea. especially now since sc2 has been out for a while and brood war is slowly losing its popularity with even rumors that OSL will disappear soon and the MSL already going away. in fact, because sc2 has become so popular worldwide and its still koreans who are dominating the game, it should actually mean koreans should have more interest in the game, with bigger prize pools etc.
well, i've not saying my views are 100% correct obviously, but i just wanted to share some of my views on why i think this is happening. first of all i went to thisisgame.com and afreeca (which are big korean esports sites like tl), and noticed there wasn't that much news articles and coverage on sc2. there is alot of news on LoL (i heard korea got their own lol server). its as if the news sites are trying to avoid sc2 if possible. they the do the bare minimum in terms of sc2 coverage (btw, i havent like spent hours on these sties or anything, jus browsed their homepage and major articles) and cover other games i havent really heard of. and after seeing this, i realized its because of the whole kespa thing. i remembered how blizzard gave gomtv exclusive rights to broadcast sc2 in korea (i dont know long this is for and what the details are) and because of this reason, sc2 coverage is not that big.
basically, i think once other big tv industries and internet sites are able to gain the rights to broadcast sc2 as well as gomtv, sc2 will becomes SO much bigger in korea. basically, the media doesn't cover sc2 enough to the point where it should be as big as bw was, and honestly, i think this is because of kespa. its kinda like sc2 should have been the rightful heir to bw but because of everything that happened with blizzard and kespa, korea was kinda in a state of anarchy trying to find the right game to replace sc1. its like sc2 wants to go mainstream but cant because of the rights blizzard set on the game.
anyways, just wanted to share that. i wanted to write about that after going to those korean game sites for the first time and actually looking around at the articles and such.
 
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This is how I look at it, when BW finally ends. SC2 will take it's place, until then SC2 will just be another game. In terms of LOL though I feel that LOL has is Korea's replacement for dota so thats why its popular.
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SC2 had its chance, now LoL is taking it.
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On March 02 2012 17:43 ArvickHero wrote:
SC2 had its chance, now LoL is taking it.
Yes, there was a big timing window, but Blizzard botched it up, instead of trying to get Kespa no matter the price they chose the smaller piece of cake which was GOM, now LoL is riding the glory. And many BW fans will probably switch to it or just leave esports.
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You have to realize that BW in Korea isn't just another game, its something else, something special and unique with developed scene which works well for 11 years already.
And they're right about it, while SC2 is just another game with shiny graphics.
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its kinda like sc2 should have been the rightful heir to bw but because of everything that happened with blizzard and kespa, korea was kinda in a state of anarchy trying to find the right game to replace sc1. its like sc2 wants to go mainstream but cant because of the rights blizzard set on the game. Rightful heir my ass. No one trying to replace BW except for people who are only interested in making a quick buck. Corporations that contributed nothing to esports (blizzard), washed up/Bteam/retired/ex BW pros, non-korean progamers, etc. Maybe it's not as big as BW in korea
On February 02 2012 23:36 IdrA wrote:
cuz its a shit game
Oh, this is a really good post
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288
It's a bit outdated though, but it should still be somewhat relevant
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On March 02 2012 17:47 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +its kinda like sc2 should have been the rightful heir to bw but because of everything that happened with blizzard and kespa, korea was kinda in a state of anarchy trying to find the right game to replace sc1. its like sc2 wants to go mainstream but cant because of the rights blizzard set on the game. Rightful heir my ass. No one trying to replace BW except for people who are only interested in making a quick buck. Corporations that contributed nothing to esports (blizzard), washed up/Bteam/retired/ex BW pros, non-korean progamers, etc. Maybe it's not as big as BW in korea Oh, this is a really good post http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288It's a bit outdated though, but it should still be somewhat relevant
yeah that blog was written in aug 2010, yet all 6 of those reasons he gives are still valid now. thats pretty much what i tried to say, but better. like... all 6 of those reasons. goes to show, until companies other than gom gets access to broadcast sc2, the growth of sc2 will never get big. i just hope when the contract gom has with blizzard expires, sc2 will finally get its chance of glory.
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Blizzard could not care less about promoting eSports in Korea. The conditions surrounding BW's release, along with its inspiring gameplay / immaculate balance really formed a "perfect storm" of sorts. With the lack of LAN, graphics intensity, boring gameplay, etc. there's just no way the average Korean is going to think "hey I really want to play this game."
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On March 02 2012 17:47 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +its kinda like sc2 should have been the rightful heir to bw but because of everything that happened with blizzard and kespa, korea was kinda in a state of anarchy trying to find the right game to replace sc1. its like sc2 wants to go mainstream but cant because of the rights blizzard set on the game. Rightful heir my ass. No one trying to replace BW except for people who are only interested in making a quick buck. Corporations that contributed nothing to esports (blizzard), washed up/Bteam/retired/ex BW pros, non-korean progamers, etc. Maybe it's not as big as BW in korea Oh, this is a really good post http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288It's a bit outdated though, but it should still be somewhat relevant
Hey if SC2 lived up to the same standards we expected from BW then it would be the rightful heir. It should have been an improvement over BW, but it wasn't. Blizzard botched it, and now LoL is taking BWs place as stated.
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On March 02 2012 18:07 synapse wrote:
Blizzard could not care less about promoting eSports in Korea. The conditions surrounding BW's release, along with its inspiring gameplay / immaculate balance really formed a "perfect storm" of sorts. With the lack of LAN, graphics intensity, boring gameplay, etc. there's just no way the average Korean is going to think "hey I really want to play this game."
Yea, if every Korean is a narrow minded nostalgic like you, then no, SC2 will never be what BW is.
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On March 02 2012 19:01 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 17:47 Xenocide_Knight wrote:its kinda like sc2 should have been the rightful heir to bw but because of everything that happened with blizzard and kespa, korea was kinda in a state of anarchy trying to find the right game to replace sc1. its like sc2 wants to go mainstream but cant because of the rights blizzard set on the game. Rightful heir my ass. No one trying to replace BW except for people who are only interested in making a quick buck. Corporations that contributed nothing to esports (blizzard), washed up/Bteam/retired/ex BW pros, non-korean progamers, etc. Maybe it's not as big as BW in korea On February 02 2012 23:36 IdrA wrote:
cuz its a shit game Oh, this is a really good post http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288It's a bit outdated though, but it should still be somewhat relevant Hey if SC2 lived up to the same standards we expected from BW then it would be the rightful heir. It should have been an improvement over BW, but it wasn't. Blizzard botched it, and now LoL is taking BWs place as stated.
No offense, but it seems to me broodwar was an anomaly. Blizzard would have NEVER even imagined that the game would turn out so good. All of the little glitches (muta stacking) that made the game amazing, were not intended. The game is so extremely complex that it was basically a fluke that it turned out so well. There is no way anybody in his right mind should've expected Starcraft 2 to be better. They did even better then I expected. Just to give you an example: Halo CE was amazing, it had little glitches ands not intended gameplay because of the engine, yet it turned out perfect. How do you think Halo 2 panned out? Not half as good, why? Because Halo CE was just a fluke, by accident it turned out so well.
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Blizzard screwed up the release of SC2 in Korea big time, which is part as to why SC2 is not so big in Korea, LoL is already bigger and it will overtake BW aswell.
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On March 02 2012 17:47 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +its kinda like sc2 should have been the rightful heir to bw but because of everything that happened with blizzard and kespa, korea was kinda in a state of anarchy trying to find the right game to replace sc1. its like sc2 wants to go mainstream but cant because of the rights blizzard set on the game. Rightful heir my ass. No one trying to replace BW except for people who are only interested in making a quick buck. Corporations that contributed nothing to esports (blizzard), washed up/Bteam/retired/ex BW pros, non-korean progamers, etc. Maybe it's not as big as BW in korea Oh, this is a really good post http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288It's a bit outdated though, but it should still be somewhat relevant
You hit the nail on the head with this one. Thank you very much and I couldn't agree more.
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On March 02 2012 17:47 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +its kinda like sc2 should have been the rightful heir to bw but because of everything that happened with blizzard and kespa, korea was kinda in a state of anarchy trying to find the right game to replace sc1. its like sc2 wants to go mainstream but cant because of the rights blizzard set on the game. Rightful heir my ass. No one trying to replace BW except for people who are only interested in making a quick buck. Corporations that contributed nothing to esports (blizzard), washed up/Bteam/retired/ex BW pros, non-korean progamers, etc. Maybe it's not as big as BW in korea Oh, this is a really good post http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288It's a bit outdated though, but it should still be somewhat relevant
oh man that blog post is amazing ... I had jolly good time reading through it .
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On March 02 2012 17:47 Itachii wrote:
You have to realize that BW in Korea isn't just another game, its something else, something special and unique with developed scene which works well for 11 years already.
And they're right about it, while SC2 is just another game with shiny graphics.
I remember a couple years ago Tossgirl was named as a leader for women in Korea, among many other female celebrities. It hit me right then and there that SC truly is something else in South Korea, not just because they are really good at it, but because it seems ingrained in the consciousness of a lot of citizens.
It's gonna be interesting to see if SC can maintain its popularity or whether SC2 will eventually take its place. Myself, I'd like it to continue to consolidate its status as a sport and continue to be played for many years to come.
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On March 02 2012 17:43 ArvickHero wrote:
SC2 had its chance, now LoL is taking it.
I think LoL is filling Dota's spot, and it isn't the kind of impossibly challenging game that BW was/is and is still lacking when compared to Starcraft 2's difficulty (which of course I know isn't anywhere close to BW's or vanilla's difficulty).
Basically I disagree whole heartedly that LoL could ever overtake or hope to fill the void left by BW.
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The blog that was linked multiple times above... is still highly relevant. I can't speak for the all the Koreans obviously, but I can speak for myself and my close friends who are keen on eSports. A few of us own SC2. None of us really play SC2 on a regular basis. There are odd times I log on to play custom games like Hero Attack and Element TD (both of which you can draw roots back to WC3). I also enjoyed the SC2 campaign but other than that, I think my time is better spent playing other things.
Most of us - the "Korean-Canadians" - either stayed with BW or moved on to LoL. There were divided opinions on this, but basically the consensus was that 1) Blizzard sucks 2) GOMTV sucks 3) SC2 doesn't feel very epic and 4) since I'm a casual I might as well play LoL with friends.
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The only thing SC2 and BW have in common (other than the name) is that they are both nearly dead in Korea now.
Maybe it will turn around with all the rumors of SC2 proleague etc but I'm beginning to doubt that since we have heard nothing concrete in forever, except cryptic tweet after tweet from FXO Boss
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Ok, LoL isn't filling in anything in Korea... most gamers in Korea have no idea what DOTA is anyway. They played Kaos or Chaos which wasn't even that competitive. So, LoL is pretty much the first huge MOBA game to hit Korea. It's a new genre, and people are loving it.
I agree with OpticalShot, I find absolutely 0 enjoyment playing SC2 as there aren't as much feeling of accomplishment as it was in BW. As a casual gamer, and long time BW player, (just like most Koreans) I don't want to focus and get good at another RTS game.. which requires dedication.. while BW comes quiet naturally already for most of us. The old thread by MrHoon says it all really.. go read it for those who havent!
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On March 03 2012 00:19 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
Ok, LoL isn't filling in anything in Korea... most gamers in Korea have no idea what DOTA is anyway. They played Kaos or Chaos which wasn't even that competitive. So, LoL is pretty much the first huge MOBA game to hit Korea. It's a new genre, and people are loving it.
I agree with OpticalShot, I find absolutely 0 enjoyment playing SC2 as there aren't as much feeling of accomplishment as it was in BW. As a casual gamer, and long time BW player, (just like most Koreans) I don't want to focus and get good at another RTS game.. which requires dedication.. while BW comes quiet naturally already for most of us. The old thread by MrHoon says it all really.. go read it for those who havent!
http://gametrics.com/
LoL has only been growing. It's #2 today.
11% of people who play at PC Bangs are playing LoL. This is in addition to 5~% playing chaos using WC3, about 2% playing Chaos online.
MOBA is freaking huge in Korea. Even Chaos was freaking huge in Korea. 6%+ always played it.
EDIT: Sorry about my earlier comment, didn't read the post you were referring to (quote function is useful T_T)
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