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[Poll] Your toughest matchup

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Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 22:11:25
February 19 2012 17:21 GMT
#1
Vote buttons are fixed, I just gave up on the fancy formatting :-/


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Poll: As a Protoss player, my toughest opponent is :

Zerg (34)
 
51%

Protoss (17)
 
25%

Terran (13)
 
19%

None in particular (I manage equally) (3)
 
4%

67 total votes

Your vote: As a Protoss player, my toughest opponent is :

(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): None in particular (I manage equally)



Poll: As a Terran player, my toughest opponent is :

Protoss (49)
 
64%

Zerg (15)
 
19%

Terran (11)
 
14%

None in particular (I manage equally) (2)
 
3%

77 total votes

Your vote: As a Terran player, my toughest opponent is :

(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): None in particular (I manage equally)



Poll: As a Zerg player, my toughest opponent is :

Protoss (26)
 
46%

Zerg (19)
 
34%

Terran (11)
 
20%

None in particular (I manage equally) (0)
 
0%

56 total votes

Your vote: As a Zerg player, my toughest opponent is :

(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): None in particular (I manage equally)



Poll: As a Random player, my toughest opponent is :

Zerg (11)
 
48%

None in particular (I manage equally) (8)
 
35%

Protoss (3)
 
13%

Terran (1)
 
4%

23 total votes

Your vote: As a Random player, my toughest opponent is :

(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): None in particular (I manage equally)




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Your vote : As a Terran player, my toughest opponent is :

                  (Vote): Terran
                  (Vote): Protoss
                  (Vote): Zerg
                  (Vote): None in particular (I manage equally)

Your vote : As a Protoss player, my toughest opponent is :

                  (Vote): Terran
                  (Vote): Protoss
                  (Vote): Zerg
                  (Vote): None in particular (I manage equally)

Your vote : As a Zerg player, my toughest opponent is :

                  (Vote): Terran
                  (Vote): Protoss
                  (Vote): Zerg
                  (Vote): None in particular (I manage equally)

Your vote : As a Random player, my toughest opponent is :

                  (Vote): Terran
                  (Vote): Protoss
                  (Vote): Zerg
                  (Vote): None in particular (I manage equally)


The Polls should be fully operational now, please drop a comment as to why you find that opponent to be the toughest.

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eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
February 19 2012 17:24 GMT
#2
cant vote for anything. says invalid session token
6 poll is a good skill toi have
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 17:27:08
February 19 2012 17:26 GMT
#3
Awww .... indeed ;( damn

edit : oh well, there goes the formatting :-(
Resistance ain't futile
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
February 19 2012 17:35 GMT
#4
I voted! TvP is a nightmare, still.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
ChinaLifeXXL
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 17:37:40
February 19 2012 17:36 GMT
#5
ZvP because I gotta do so much more, scout for pylons, ovie scout to see if he's sky or ground, once we fight I gotta deal with FFs and later collossi+FFs, DTs will come out eventually so gotta be ready for that, hold off his pressure on my third, get burrow, etc. Whereas VS terran I just mass lings with some commando mutas without even scouting. lol.

Confessions of a lazy zerg
If you can do it; you should do it every time.
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
February 19 2012 17:41 GMT
#6
Reformated back with new code, hopefully it still works!
Resistance ain't futile
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 19 2012 17:48 GMT
#7
Still busted.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
February 19 2012 17:50 GMT
#8
--- Nuked ---
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
February 19 2012 17:50 GMT
#9
Yeah I had a hard time with the format, it should be fixed now.
Resistance ain't futile
how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
February 19 2012 17:51 GMT
#10
I am a noob, but zvz seems to be pretty insane all the up through the pro's, i need to watch more ret replays
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Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
February 19 2012 17:55 GMT
#11
I personally can't win a TvP for my life. Either I rush with only marauders, either I end up losing to the deathball, 100%. Been watching a lot of pro vods/replays and they seem to struggle too :-(
Resistance ain't futile
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
February 19 2012 18:01 GMT
#12
TvZ for sure
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
February 19 2012 18:13 GMT
#13
When I play Terran, Zerg is a cakewalk and Protoss is tough. When playing Protoss it's the other way around, Zerg is a lot harder .
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
February 19 2012 18:17 GMT
#14
Protoss here; id say halfway between Terran and Protoss because i suck at the early game of both. If the game goes on for 20+ minutes it turns into zerg though
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
February 19 2012 18:27 GMT
#15
Invalid session token, please check you are trying to vote from a valid link.
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
netherh
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom333 Posts
February 19 2012 18:43 GMT
#16
"Invalid session token" error.

But as Terran, I have to say Protoss. I used to have like a 90% win rate in silver / gold when the only build I used was the 1/1/1. But I felt like I wanted to learn to play macro games too. So my win rate dropped to about 10%.

I'm finally getting to the stage where I can trade cost effiectively against mid-game gateway / colossus blobs. I do ok sometimes against HTs if I get enough ghosts in time, but when that evolves to zealot archon, I just die.

I tend to go mech in TvZ, but that's been getting a lot harder lately. Maybe because I'm moving gradually up, but it seems like zergs are finally figuring out what to do against it (maybe because more terrans are going mech). Anyway, TvZ is something I'll probably have to work on soon.
AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
February 19 2012 18:51 GMT
#17
Also get the erro.

As a Terran, I would say every matchup is managable for me. When I switched race, TvT was tough, especially since I use Bio or Biomech and playing against pure Mech was a pain in the ass until I learned how to manage. TvP is especially tough once you reach the later stages of the game, when the Protoss gets his deathball rollin', but I can win against it. TvZ is my best matchup.

When I played Protoss, the mirror matchup killed me since I didn't know what the fuck I should be doing. I used to fast expand on pretty much every matchup, but it was so hard to even expand on PvP I just gave up on it altogether and quit every PvP before the 10 second mark.
"To create, to recreate. To create, to recreate. Down to the last seed, I stand with a dark stare. Still silent. Still frighteningly silent."
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
February 19 2012 19:11 GMT
#18
I voted TvT, ZvZ, PvZ, and RvZ (I'm a random player). I only chose RvZ because I have trouble with ZvZ and PvZ, though.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
February 19 2012 19:19 GMT
#19
TvT, PvT, and ZvT, except I accidently clicked ZvP, and RvT.
Terran D:
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
February 19 2012 19:48 GMT
#20
TvP
PvZ
Didn't vote on Z
RvP
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phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
February 19 2012 19:55 GMT
#21
tvt I think is super tricky for players new to the match up, with all the styles, openings, early aggression tactics and the like. Over time it gets to be more manageable, and the other match ups get to be harder when z and p learn to hold attacks.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
February 19 2012 21:20 GMT
#22
ZvZ man. What protoss players complain about on Taldarim altar is pretty much standard ZVZ on every map - Some spammy douchebag who wants to do a 1base baneling all-in EVERY ZVZ because he'd rather win with micro than by having to deal with macroing more than 1 hatchery. I really, REALLY hate it... my micro is bad because of course, like any non-grand-master player, I focus on macro first.

I mean, I actually think ZvP is harder, but at least I get to make a couple bases before I lose in that matchup. In ZVZ its just, baneling all ins, all day, every day, no matter what I open with, no matter if my opponent scouts or not. Its horrible.
-Aura-
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States209 Posts
February 19 2012 21:33 GMT
#23
Apparently everyone is having an east time vT.

0_o
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Liquid get more Terrans please...
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
February 19 2012 21:35 GMT
#24
On February 20 2012 06:33 -Aura- wrote:
Apparently everyone is having an east time vT.

0_o


From my experience playing terran, it's really fragile. Mistakes can be punished badly (no stim/late siege/late turrets vs Z). But, at high levels, it's pretty obvious that terran can be really good. It's just hard to play well.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 22:08:13
February 19 2012 22:03 GMT
#25
On February 20 2012 06:35 Dalguno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 06:33 -Aura- wrote:
Apparently everyone is having an east time vT.

0_o


From my experience playing terran, it's really fragile. Mistakes can be punished badly (no stim/late siege/late turrets vs Z). But, at high levels, it's pretty obvious that terran can be really good. It's just hard to play well.


This, along with curiosity, is one of the reason I made these polls. Despite what I read here and there (in stream chat mostly, I know...), I really feel that Terran is weak. But you said it better, demanding and unforgiving, and not everyone is a Code S player.

High risk high reward though, and I enjoy playing them a lot. Except when I face Protoss, where I could as well just gg at the start, really. I think I'll go try mech, watching the daily about it atm

Edit : back on topic I'm a bit surprised with Z results, I honestly thought they would place Terran as their most difficult matchup (I have a rather easy time versus Z, it feels easy).
Resistance ain't futile
whistle
Profile Joined April 2010
United States141 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 23:19:59
February 19 2012 23:10 GMT
#26
according to sc2 gears my pvt is 49%, pvp 55%, pvz 60%, sample size ~1k games over half a year... no idea how I lose so much to terran when protoss is supposedly OP at mid master level :D

basically if terran is aggressive at any point between 7 minutes and 14 minutes I roll over and gg
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 20 2012 00:50 GMT
#27
I have the highest win rate in TvT, don't even need to check my numbers to know that. I feel pretty comfortable at every stage in the game and I enjoy the positioning wars with tanks and such.

TvZ I'm probably closer to 50/50 at. I'm not very good at defending baneling busts but other things like roach all-ins aren't that tough for me. I kill a lot of Zergs in the midgame phase by planting down extra turrets and doing exceptionally tank-heavy pushes. Late game is a bitch though. Transitioning into ghosts without dying is very hard, and brood lords feel like an auto-gg if you don't have the right units out exactly on time. I still win sometimes but it requires me playing much better than my Zerg opponent.

TvP is just retarded. I gave up on macro games months ago because bio is so dumb and the deathball is even dumber. I usually either do a 1/1/1 or a 2 base all-in with thors and banshees. The matchup is terrible in every way.
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
February 20 2012 01:52 GMT
#28
On February 20 2012 09:50 forsooth wrote:
I have the highest win rate in TvT, don't even need to check my numbers to know that. I feel pretty comfortable at every stage in the game and I enjoy the positioning wars with tanks and such.

TvZ I'm probably closer to 50/50 at. I'm not very good at defending baneling busts but other things like roach all-ins aren't that tough for me. I kill a lot of Zergs in the midgame phase by planting down extra turrets and doing exceptionally tank-heavy pushes. Late game is a bitch though. Transitioning into ghosts without dying is very hard, and brood lords feel like an auto-gg if you don't have the right units out exactly on time. I still win sometimes but it requires me playing much better than my Zerg opponent.

TvP is just retarded. I gave up on macro games months ago because bio is so dumb and the deathball is even dumber. I usually either do a 1/1/1 or a 2 base all-in with thors and banshees. The matchup is terrible in every way.


A tank lover, in a nutshell (derp).

Care to share some replays of your 2 base all-in TvP? Tried to mech a bit tonight and I did last quite a lot longer than usual, banshees harass and occasional hellion run-bys seem to indeed hold the toss in his base. Still loss to mass stalkers/immo 1a after a while, but managed to push him back one or 2 times, quite the unusual stuff for me ^_^
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starplayer35
Profile Joined January 2012
United States40 Posts
February 20 2012 02:10 GMT
#29
i agree


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TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
February 22 2012 01:02 GMT
#30
LOL the hardest match up for toss is zerg, and the hardest match up for zerg is toss. I'm surprised they don't all end in a draw.
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