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Beating Depression: Lessons from Great Generals

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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
February 10 2012 06:07 GMT
#1
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An obstacle or tribulation is all the more daunting the closer it is to home. A personal misfortune can be devastating, while the suffering of others can be simply brushed off. Thus, our focus can at times be egotistical, and we are prone to forget that others have been through much worse. And not just that! Many men and women before us have been through worse AND triumphed. Not simply triumphed, but triumphed in unimaginable and impossible ways. I urge you to step back and look beyond your own life and take to heart the toil and victory that these men embraced. The best part is...that they are not so different from you and I. They are of the human race, to which you belong. Never forget that.


There was once a time when the burdens of society weighed heavily upon my shoulders. The demands and proper protocol that strictly governed my way of life, was the great leviathan that encompassed my soul and tempered my breath. Oh how I wished to escape these machinations of mankind and attain the God given potential of humanity that was my right. I desired to walk, talk, breath, think, and take action with sincerity, and not simply to appease overbearing peers. My name was there, my body was there, but my mind was afar in the distance. There was once a time when the tribulations, obstacles, struggles, and hardships I faced stood before me as Goliath. My courage wavered, my palms were doused in sweat, and I was stricken with a faint of heart. The tasks that lay before me, the standards and satisfaction of others, clouded my dreams and barred my path. I am but a single man, in what miraculous way could I ever overcome these things? I surely lacked hope as I was being dragged hither and thither between two worlds; hope being crushed by the smallest of setbacks. I tell you the truth, my failures felt as if the great city of Rome had fallen. I was a victim’s victim, justifying my shortcomings on the world and blaming society for rainy days. I longed for freedom and the culmination of true potential, but no light shone through and nothing could rescue me from my demise. Or so I thought.

For how can I complain of trivial obstacles when others before me have truly done the truest of impossibles? If Hannibal Barca, was as weak-minded and sullen as I, could he have surpassed the dangers of the Pyrenees and the slopes of the Alps? After his father was slain in cold blood, after Carthage had abandoned him in Rome, when his attempts to scale the walls of Rome were fruitless after 17 years, he never gave up until his dying breath. Hannibal Barca went down in history as one of the greatest military leaders to ever grace this earth. The trials and tribulations he faced never deterred him from putting up a smile for his men, facing their hardships, sleeping and eating alongside them. The odds were against him and yet he forged a fighting machine from the force of his will. The Carthaginian army was a rabble of mercenaries and forcefully recruited arms. And yet, his men followed Hannibal to the gates of hell and he accomplished the impossible.

And what of Napoleon Bonaparte? Was he found guilty of running helter-skelter to his mother when all the imperial armies of Europe banded against him? Ha! From the battle fields of Rivoli, Marengo, Ulm, Austerlitz, Jena, Auerstadt, Eylau, and Borodino, the rare genius calculated the defeat of his enemy with ultimate precision. One, two, three, four, five, and six, six times a coalition of Europe’s finest contested supremacy with Napoleon. It took 6 coalitions to finally bring down the Emperor. When he lost it all in on the plains of Leipzig to the 5th Coalition (1813), he was exiled to the island of Elba. But a million muskets, much less the sea could thwart his ambition and self belief. He would return for another bloody engagement for the mere chance of eternal glory. There was no hope for Napoleon, but who needs hope when hope is created from within?

In the culture and tradition of my country, Korea, there lies a story of a man immortalized. He was an admiral of the West Fleet during the Japanese invasion by Hideyoshi, the Imjin War. During the peak of his fame and victories against the samurai, this man was taken by the intrigues of the royal court and the scheming of a rival general. He was stripped of command, humiliated, and nearly put to death, even after winning numerous naval engagements against the Japanese. Korea rewarded the admiral with nothing but chains and a cage pulled on an oxcart.

Could you even fathom how that must have felt? He worked tirelessly and faithfully for Korea and the king. There was not another man who could have held a candle to his loyalty to the state and love of country. Nowhere, in Korea was there a military man who had done more for Korea; singlehandedly holding off complete Japanese victory. And then, to be betrayed by a fellow general, to have his own master stab him in the back, to become humiliated by the ones he saved, and then nearly put to death for all his efforts. How could a man not become bitter and hateful after such an event? It would have made monsters out of most men!

But when Won Gyun, the rival commander, lost Korea’s entire naval force in the disastrous Battle of Chilcheollyang (immediately after he usurped the position of supreme commander), Korea shamelessly asked for the help of the condemned Admiral. Won Gyun lost 169 ships that day, 169 ships that The Admiral had painstakingly built up during all the years of the Imjin War.

Thus, the convicted state prisoner was reaffirmed as commander of a nearly non-existent Korean fleet...he had 13 ships left (12 of which survived the Chilcheollyang catastrophe). Bull shit. The cards dealt to The Admiral are from Satan himself. How was he supposed to defeat the 1000+ ships of the Japanese navy with 13 ships of the line? And why should he risk his life and reputation for Korea when she had treacherously betrayed him and took from him everything?

This is the story of Korea’s greatest hero, The Admiral Yi Sun Shin. This was his battle.

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Battle of Myeongnyang

13 Korean vessels versus 133 Japanese warships and over 200 Japanese support vessels. Admiral Yi would go on to win this battle without losing a single ship. Only 5 Korean casualties occurred during the entire fight and the wrath of Yi Sun Shin inflicted 12,000 casualties on the Japanese.


When the world turns it’s back on you, when everything is crumbling down, even though you are in the dumps, though the world encourages you to give up, and when the going gets tough...never give up. Know that there is a path to hope and from hope...glory. Believe in yourself and the limitless potential of humanity. Because now you know that those before you have trodden the path that you find yourself trapped, and they have ever so walked upon it gloriously.

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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 10 2012 06:15 GMT
#2
Very inspiring.
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forelmashi
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
421 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 06:18:27
February 10 2012 06:17 GMT
#3
On February 10 2012 15:07 Golgotha wrote:
There was no hope for Napoleon, but who needs hope when hope is created from within?

you've obviously never really tried or cared about something

you don't know what love is you just do as you're told
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
February 10 2012 06:17 GMT
#4
On February 10 2012 15:15 Bagration wrote:
Very inspiring.


Unless you're clinically depressed, in which case a read-over of Napoleon's victories isn't going to be useful. Depression doesn't respond to these types of things.
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
February 10 2012 06:20 GMT
#5
Gave me chills. Great read, I appreciate this. Love the message.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
February 10 2012 06:20 GMT
#6
On February 10 2012 15:17 forelmashi wrote:
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On February 10 2012 15:07 Golgotha wrote:
There was no hope for Napoleon, but who needs hope when hope is created from within?

you've obviously never really tried or cared about something

you don't know what love is you just do as you're told


It's also an illogical sentence. There was no hope, but yet he can create it from within? He doesn't need hope, but it's good he can create it? I thought he didn't need it.

I don't mean to be so negative, but something about your writing style irks me OP. I think it's because you're mimicking someone else. Keep at it and you'll make it your own.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 06:24:45
February 10 2012 06:24 GMT
#7
I'm just being an ass OP. Keep writing.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
February 10 2012 06:57 GMT
#8
Thanks a lot for the reference to Admiral Yi, I just read up the wiki articles on him and his battles. Most impressive thing I've ever read when it comes to military strategy and tactics, and I've read a few.

Cheers.

<3
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
February 10 2012 07:25 GMT
#9
FlaSh's great great great great great great great great great great great granfather?
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
ElementEighty
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark25 Posts
February 10 2012 07:43 GMT
#10
Thank you very much for a great read
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
February 10 2012 08:32 GMT
#11
Lol, you can't give examples of glorious historical battles and super awesome victories and fuck-off legendary tacticians' triumphs to help a depressed person .. the misery one feels when depressed is contradictory to these examples because instead of having to deal with an incredibly powerful force and work hard to achieve a noble goal of defeating that, one has to deal with these shitty moodswings and stupid lack of energy in the most trivial of daily situations, call them + Show Spoiler +
On February 10 2012 15:07 Golgotha wrote: burdens of society weighed heavily upon my shoulders. The demands and proper protocol that strictly governed my way of life, was the great leviathan that encompassed my soul and tempered my breath. Oh how I wished to escape these machinations of mankind and attain the God given potential of humanity that was my right. I desired to walk, talk, breath, think, and take action with sincerity, and not simply to appease overbearing peers. My name was there, my body was there, but my mind was afar in the distance. There was once a time when the tribulations, obstacles, struggles, and hardships I faced stood before me as Goliath. My courage wavered, my palms were doused in sweat, and I was stricken with a faint of heart. The tasks that lay before me, the standards and satisfaction of others, clouded my dreams and barred my path. I am but a single man, in what miraculous way could I ever overcome these things?
if you will but when it happens you know exactly you are Goliath and you're getting owned by Davids retarded younger brother and there's not much you can do about it (because it's a medical condition from what I understand). So yeah you can be weary of others and make it so they don't have to suffer from your lack of energy and life but you will never EVER experience the sensation of victory. You are just fooling yourself temporarily, splitting your personality, becoming more and more a hypocritical, neurotic monster,
I don't know, lynch me!
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 10 2012 09:11 GMT
#12
that battle was pretty amazing from the sounds of it but not even close to a remedy for depression.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
February 10 2012 16:17 GMT
#13
What the others have said about this not even being close to a remedy for depression
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deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
February 10 2012 17:08 GMT
#14
It's not a cure for depression, but having a wider view on what others have faced and are facing can cheer you up for a little bit. When I think about people that are starving in the world, and others who are fleeing persecution and war, then I feel that although I might have problems, at least I don't fear for my life or my next meal. Putting your own problems into perspective is not a bad thing to do at all.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
February 10 2012 17:54 GMT
#15
Maybe it helps some mopey dipshit who is upset that his high school girlfriend dumped him after a week, or some kind of other trivial emotion, but legit, clinical depression is a whole different animal that is rooted in chemical balances in your noggin, not any rational stuff for the most part.
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deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 17:59:54
February 10 2012 17:59 GMT
#16
I'm one depressed biochemistry graduate, so don't tell me about the nature of depression or about chemical imbalances. There are different kinds, but the VAST majority of cases are caused by traumatic events in a person's life or by lifestyle choices. Those born with genetic depression are so small a percentage it can be almost discounted for a general discussion on the subject.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 18:35:43
February 10 2012 18:15 GMT
#17
This is kinda stupid. He won a bunch of stuff, then was treated like a traitor. Okay, that sucks. But in my mind depression would be more like not being able to get over that he killed so many people, not knowing why, not feeling like his existence was meaningful. Where even being asked back due to his talents would have caused immense frustration and incongruity with his feelings.

It's very narrow sighted in my opinion. This story just seems like the ultimate appeal to one's ego. Especially having your captors and naysayers grovelling at your feet lol.
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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
February 10 2012 20:13 GMT
#18
I am sincerely sorry if I offended. I just hope that you can look past my faults and take interest in the story of these men and especially Yi Sun Shin. Please do not let my words negatively influence your opinion of these men. My only intent was to bring light to their immense hardships and juxtapose it with their miraculous triumphs. They are truly inspiring men and I believe we can all learn from their experience.
On February 11 2012 03:15 Chef wrote:
This is kinda stupid. He won a bunch of stuff, then was treated like a traitor. Okay, that sucks. But in my mind depression would be more like not being able to get over that he killed so many people, not knowing why, not feeling like his existence was meaningful. Where even being asked back due to his talents would have caused immense frustration and incongruity with his feelings.

It's very narrow sighted in my opinion. This story just seems like the ultimate appeal to one's ego. Especially having your captors and naysayers grovelling at your feet lol.


I do not know how to respond to such…do not worry I will PM you personally with their history so you understand better. This is not about their ego. Also, you seem unable to correctly fathom the depth of the betrayal. Have you ever lived your whole life for something, and then have it all come crashing down? Have you ever been condemned to death by the person you love? To death. You are about to be killed. Killed by something you fought and lived for. So my answer is, of course Yi Sun Shin felt despair...a despair that no living person should ever go through.
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