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On December 24 2011 22:53 sebsejr wrote:
wauw very well written! love your choises! your awesome!
would probably fit JYP and Genius in there though. Maybe instead of MaNa and Sage? or MaNa and Parting. Other than that, i love the list! <3
can u do one for Terran and Zerg aswell? would love that!
I would love to, but I'm not qualified at all. As I said, I'm a Protoss fanboy (ever since I saw Husky/HD casting White-Ra vs TLO on Youtube), and while I could probably make arguments for about the top 5 of Terran and Zerg, I don't know talent when I see it, and can barely list off 10 Zergs, let alone write about them all.
I know Seeker was probably only joking when he talked about the Terran one, but I'll see if I can pressure him into it 
After all, you can't spend your whole life making wonderful LR threads.
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I know I keep coming off as a JYP fanboy (mostly because I totally am) but I really cant take this seriously anymore. Top 2-3 PvZ easily and one of the best PvPers and he's not top 10? One weak MU thats not even as week as his TLPD suggests if you actually watch the games and suddenly he's irrelevant? Silly is what it is.
/mild rage 
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On December 25 2011 02:56 Bibbit wrote:I know I keep coming off as a JYP fanboy (mostly because I totally am) but I really cant take this seriously anymore. Top 2-3 PvZ easily and one of the best PvPers and he's not top 10? One weak MU thats not even as week as his TLPD suggests if you actually watch the games and suddenly he's irrelevant? Silly is what it is. /mild rage
I have to agree. Especially after watching his games in the up and downs. Over all the list is pretty solid though good work 
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On December 25 2011 02:56 Bibbit wrote:I know I keep coming off as a JYP fanboy (mostly because I totally am) but I really cant take this seriously anymore. Top 2-3 PvZ easily and one of the best PvPers and he's not top 10? One weak MU thats not even as week as his TLPD suggests if you actually watch the games and suddenly he's irrelevant? Silly is what it is. /mild rage
The problem is that "one weak MU" equals about 1/3rd of all his games. His PvZ and PvP are top notch, but you can't be considered a Top 10 Protoss when you have a 20% winrate in a matchup and are on a 14 loss streak stretching back to July. He just can't win PvT against decent players.
I know statistics aren't everything, but they do count for something. And that something is dragging an otherwise excelling JYP down like a Carrier in a pro level game.
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You can't be that big of a fan - MC's "2 base king", all inning and other dismissive sayings about his gameplay is complete bullshit. Or, at the very least over a year ago, when 3 gate VR and 4 gate were actually strong before their respective nerfs.. He is at his best in long macro games, he just doesn't lose them, and if you look at his loses it's when people 1 or 2 base him most notably with the 1/1/1 stuff which unfortunately he's not the best Protoss in holding.
Anyway I agree no one is close to MC that plays protoss and pretty good writeup with good ranks
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On December 25 2011 04:52 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2011 02:56 Bibbit wrote:I know I keep coming off as a JYP fanboy (mostly because I totally am) but I really cant take this seriously anymore. Top 2-3 PvZ easily and one of the best PvPers and he's not top 10? One weak MU thats not even as week as his TLPD suggests if you actually watch the games and suddenly he's irrelevant? Silly is what it is. /mild rage The problem is that "one weak MU" equals about 1/3rd of all his games. His PvZ and PvP are top notch, but you can't be considered a Top 10 Protoss when you have a 20% winrate in a matchup and are on a 14 loss streak stretching back to July. He just can't win PvT against decent players. I know statistics aren't everything, but they do count for something. And that something is dragging an otherwise excelling JYP down like a Carrier in a pro level game.
You cant be serious. Lets take a look at some more stats. You linked to Hero and Naniwa's international TLPD, intentionally no doubt, to make them look good. How about we look at Naniwa's 1-12 record overall. Or maybe Hero's 15-26 (37%). Do you think it's fair to count Naniwa's 2-1 win over Beastyqt on the same level as JYP's 0-2 loss to Bomber? Watch the bloody games for the skill of the Protoss players in question, not just how they did relative to their opponents because its not fair to treat Cloud and Jjakji as equal opponents. If JYP went to foreign events, I have no doubt he'd put up the same kind of results.
"But we can't know for sure!" Yes, I know. But it comes back to an over-reliance on statistics - watching numbers instead of games.
Hell Naniwa's actually my favourite player and I dont think he's worse than JYP or anything like that but I'm just trying to make a point here. Naniwa's 1-12 but I watched the games, they were narrow losses, and he's clearly really good. JYP is 6-22 PvT but I've watched the games (not all, admittedly  ) and I assure you he's good. Be more consistent, judge people on their skill not their TLPD, that's all I'm saying.
Anyway, I think this was a fantastic write up on the whole. I just think that its entirely unjustified and, frankly, wrong to leave JYP out of a top 10 behind a player who we've seen only nine bloody times and someone who has never even played in Korea.
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On December 25 2011 18:07 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2011 04:52 SeaSwift wrote:On December 25 2011 02:56 Bibbit wrote:I know I keep coming off as a JYP fanboy (mostly because I totally am) but I really cant take this seriously anymore. Top 2-3 PvZ easily and one of the best PvPers and he's not top 10? One weak MU thats not even as week as his TLPD suggests if you actually watch the games and suddenly he's irrelevant? Silly is what it is. /mild rage The problem is that "one weak MU" equals about 1/3rd of all his games. His PvZ and PvP are top notch, but you can't be considered a Top 10 Protoss when you have a 20% winrate in a matchup and are on a 14 loss streak stretching back to July. He just can't win PvT against decent players. I know statistics aren't everything, but they do count for something. And that something is dragging an otherwise excelling JYP down like a Carrier in a pro level game. You cant be serious. Lets take a look at some more stats. You linked to Hero and Naniwa's international TLPD, intentionally no doubt, to make them look good. How about we look at Naniwa's 1-12 record overall. Or maybe Hero's 15-26 (37%). Do you think it's fair to count Naniwa's 2-1 win over Beastyqt on the same level as JYP's 0-2 loss to Bomber? Watch the bloody games for the skill of the Protoss players in question, not just how they did relative to their opponents because its not fair to treat Cloud and Jjakji as equal opponents. If JYP went to foreign events, I have no doubt he'd put up the same kind of results. "But we can't know for sure!" Yes, I know. But it comes back to an over-reliance on statistics - watching numbers instead of games. Hell Naniwa's actually my favourite player and I dont think he's worse than JYP or anything like that but I'm just trying to make a point here. Naniwa's 1-12 but I watched the games, they were narrow losses, and he's clearly really good. JYP is 6-22 PvT but I've watched the games (not all, admittedly ) and I assure you he's good. Be more consistent, judge people on their skill not their TLPD, that's all I'm saying. Anyway, I think this was a fantastic write up on the whole. I just think that its entirely unjustified and, frankly, wrong to leave JYP out of a top 10 behind a player who we've seen only nine bloody times and someone who has never even played in Korea.
Well, I'm glad my blog is provoking discussion
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As it should !
Hope I didnt offend you or nothing. : )
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On December 25 2011 20:40 Bibbit wrote:
As it should !
Hope I didnt offend you or nothing. : )
Haha, of course not. I think it was inControL who was saying that it doesn't matter what peoples opinions are on different players and teams, as long as people have opinions and care about the game.
You clearly do, which is fantastic
We disagree, but I respect and understand your stance on it. Have a merry Christmas!
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