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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
December 16 2011 14:39 GMT
#81
i almost have to thank naniwa, sc2 is such a bad game that we need more drama like this to keep the scene interesting

^_^
why so 진지해?
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
December 16 2011 14:51 GMT
#82
Rekrul m-m-m-m-monster kill.


Hahaha, leave it to Rek...
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
December 16 2011 18:39 GMT
#83
On December 16 2011 23:39 Rekrul wrote:
i almost have to thank naniwa, sc2 is such a bad game that we need more drama like this to keep the scene interesting

^_^


And if all else fails, we can count on you to fan any dying flames lol
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StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 22:08:38
December 18 2011 22:05 GMT
#84
On December 16 2011 13:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 12:09 StUfF wrote:
Stop blaming Gom without thinking about their position.

There are literally no tournament formats that totally exclude useless games. Only Elimination style tournaments achieve this and then it has it's own weakness, where you don't see the breadth of match ups that GOM/Viewers want.


You don't mean to say "literally no tournament formats" when you follow it up like that. You know that there are popular tournament formats that don't have useless games but you think that they introduce even worse cons.

MLG's pool play, keeping in mind the extended series rule, is an example of a non-elimination format that makes every game count. Every placement in pool play is significant. And even when a pool play match won't effect a player's placement in the pool, there is a chance that those two players will meet in the championship bracket and play an extended series.


MLG group championship bracket games also has less meaning compared to regular games as well, you're just fighting for a seeding and not for elimination. Does this cause the pro-gamers to value these games less? Save their strategies for later opponents? Viewers care less?

I can't think of a single format other than elimination style that would remove all useless games, these games exist in all professional sports and games, should elimination style be the only one played?

I'm not sure what it is like from a pro-gamer perspective, but would you prefer elimination format over group - from a viewer/broadcast perspective you can see why they prefer group for some of the earlier rounds. More varied match ups (more viewership draw X vs X), more chance the best 3 our of 6 get through, a more controlled amount of games are played.

ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 23:01:44
December 18 2011 22:58 GMT
#85
On December 19 2011 07:05 StUfF wrote:
MLG group championship bracket games also has less meaning compared to regular games as well, you're just fighting for a seeding and not for elimination. Does this cause the pro-gamers to value these games less? Save their strategies for later opponents? Viewers care less?

Seeding and extended series in MLG pool play or "group championship bracket" as you call it make every game incredibly important. The seeding is hugely important and it makes every game very very significant. Players at MLG want to win every game and no games are pointless with the possible exception of 7-8 place matches etc, however they still count for MLG points, which are again, very important for the next MLG.

I think GOM's main mistake was the punishing of Naniwa with the bait and switch Code S Seed instead of just apologising to the fans for letting something happen and secretly rewarding Naniwa for the huge amount of hype he just created.
On December 16 2011 23:39 Rekrul wrote:
i almost have to thank naniwa, sc2 is such a bad game that we need more drama like this to keep the scene interesting

^_^

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