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megapants
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Primadog
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
Thank you for the few of you who have sent me a reply ( 5 out of 1800 that have read this thread) This weekend has been a blast. God has spoken to me in various ways, and I've gotten to pray for a lot of people. I hope God blesses you for your concern for your neigbours. I will continue to pray for the requests For those of you who do not think prayer is worth the time, I assume you do not believe in God. But I assume that you have some other god in your life, if it is Starcraft, Soccer, or any other sport, TV, Series or anything that you spend your time with and cannot live without. Is spending time with this god so much better for the whole society? or for the human kind? Does it feed the poor? Does it encourage you to feed the poor or help the helpless? Without this weekend, I would have been more lazy, less caring and not the man I would have been. This has truly motivated me (and filled me with the Spirit, as we Christians say it) and has given me time to spend on others rather than spending it on myself. | ||
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FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
On December 05 2011 17:18 ThePhan2m wrote: For those of you who do not think prayer is worth the time, I assume you do not believe in God. But I assume that you have some other god in your life, if it is Starcraft, Soccer, or any other sport, TV, Series or anything that you spend your time with and cannot live without. Is spending time with this god so much better for the whole society? or for the human kind? Does it feed the poor? Does it encourage you to feed the poor or help the helpless? Without this weekend, I would have been more lazy, less caring and not the man I would have been. This has truly motivated me (and filled me with the Spirit, as we Christians say it) and has given me time to spend on others rather than spending it on myself. The audacity to call one's interests 'a god' i find quite amusing. I don't worship my interests, sure i spend time enjoying it but it does not govern my life with its own separate rules and laws unlike religion. My relationship with my interests are purely conditional, the moment it bores me or i find something better to do, i will gladly move on with my life and enjoy the new interest i have found. This is nowhere near like having a personal god. Oh and i could certainly live without many of the current interests i have. Would i want to? Probably not, but since i have that luxury i might as well enjoy it. Also i am not the best example of a charitable paragon, in fact i'm probably the complete opposite. In fact i doubt it would change even if i worshipped a god (admittedly i once thought about converting to christianity, but ironically a preacher showed me that it definitely wasn't for me). I know plenty of people, atheistic, that do quite a bit of charity work and give donations. I also know of religious people that don't do any charity work and, at times, are blatant hypocrites; which i find more repulsive than some fundamentalists at times. Yes, i've seen both sides of the coin on both sides of the religious spectrum. Also by your explanation, it sounds to me like any interest that doesn't produce charitable effects are useless. Well i guess that means religious people that don't do any charitable work better discard their religion cause clearly its quite redundant. I guess noone can have the interests they enjoy if its not motivating them to do charitable work. And on a humourous note, it was actually reddit's atheism donation page that actually inspired me to donate to MSF. Which admittedly is the first time i have ever actually done so for a charity. It doesn't take a god or religion to do good things, it just takes a good person. | ||
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tonning
Norway111 Posts
Pray for me, solve all my problems! | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
On December 05 2011 19:48 FractalsOnFire wrote: Man everyone is dodging me, that sucks. I was hoping to get into a reasonable debate but alas that cannot be. The audacity to call one's interests 'a god' i find quite amusing. I don't worship my interests, sure i spend time enjoying it but it does not govern my life with its own separate rules and laws unlike religion. My relationship with my interests are purely conditional, the moment it bores me or i find something better to do, i will gladly move on with my life and enjoy the new interest i have found. This is nowhere near like having a personal god. Oh and i could certainly live without many of the current interests i have. Would i want to? Probably not, but since i have that luxury i might as well enjoy it. Also i am not the best example of a charitable paragon, in fact i'm probably the complete opposite. In fact i doubt it would change even if i worshipped a god (admittedly i once thought about converting to christianity, but ironically a preacher showed me that it definitely wasn't for me). I know plenty of people, atheistic, that do quite a bit of charity work and give donations. I also know of religious people that don't do any charity work and, at times, are blatant hypocrites; which i find more repulsive than some fundamentalists at times. Yes, i've seen both sides of the coin on both sides of the religious spectrum. Also by your explanation, it sounds to me like any interest that doesn't produce charitable effects are useless. Well i guess that means religious people that don't do any charitable work better discard their religion cause clearly its quite redundant. I guess noone can have the interests they enjoy if its not motivating them to do charitable work. And on a humourous note, it was actually reddit's atheism donation page that actually inspired me to donate to MSF. Which admittedly is the first time i have ever actually done so for a charity. It doesn't take a god or religion to do good things, it just takes a good person. Dude just stop. STOP. Your comments embody the worst, most immature aspects of atheists as a group of people. He's not asking you to fucking discuss your atheism with him. He's just sharing that he's happy to believe in his faith. Why do you feel your atheism is a license to question his fucking faith? You don't even have any real points to discuss. Some atheists work for charity and some atheists are lazy. Some people of faith work for charity and some are lazy. If a person's faith is what empowers them to work for charity, how the fuck is that a bad thing? Granted, his reply isn't the most logical in comparing hobbies to a God, but he's just trying to defend his faith against your random attacks. People think Christians are annoying when they're going door to door trying to convert everybody. Atheists are just as annoying when they run around trying to challenge people's faiths for no reason. | ||
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FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:24 Newbistic wrote: Dude just stop. STOP. Your comments embody the worst, most immature aspects of atheists as a group of people. He's not asking you to fucking discuss your atheism with him. He's just sharing that he's happy to believe in his faith. Why do you feel your atheism is a license to question his fucking faith? You don't even have any real points to discuss. Some atheists work for charity and some atheists are lazy. Some people of faith work for charity and some are lazy. If a person's faith is what empowers them to work for charity, how the fuck is that a bad thing? Granted, his reply isn't the most logical in comparing hobbies to a God, but he's just trying to defend his faith against your random attacks. People think Christians are annoying when they're going door to door trying to convert everybody. Atheists are just as annoying when they run around trying to challenge people's faiths for no reason. Well now. Where to start. Firstly, i have been quite civil and merely bringing up REASONABLE and decently thought out points. If you think that is me embodying the worst of atheists, you haven't seen me at my worst. I know TL, i know the rules and i have certainly tried to keep it civil as much as i can. If you want an example of unreasonable here's one for you. Open at your own risk + Show Spoiler + LOLOLOL RELIGION IS FUCKING STUPID. HOW CAN YOU STUPID FUCKS BELIEVE IN THIS SHIT?!?!? LOLOLOL YOU ARE SOOOOO DUMB. *This is in no way a representation of how i actually think. Do not take this as who i am. This is merely an example of immature and what i think the worst aspects of atheism are Notice that i actually haven't been warned by a TL mod. I'd imagine this thread would be watched like a hawk. To claim that this is the worst? I find that laughable. I actually expect to get a warning now that i've mentioned it =( Now i don't actually know where to start with the last two paragraphs. Let's see... Ok let us start with his original paragraph and break it down. From how i read it, its implying that meaningless interests that provide no charitable effect/work is pointless and that his religion and devotion to god is the only impetus to do that kind of work. I find that extremely arrogant and presumptuous.That was what i was rebutting against, sure i do it in a roundabout way but i eventually get to it. Maybe i'll need to fix that in the future so i do the roundabouting after i explain my original point. Also i never said using faith to do good things was a bad thing. I agree that his statement was poorly written, he really could've done it in a much better manner that didn't portray him as arrogant and 'holier than thou'. My 'attacks' aren't random. I never EVER questioned the power of prayer or MENTIONED prayer is useless. I didn't even direct any 'attacks' to the OP until my last post. All i am doing is providing a little thought and perspective on certain claims and statements. A glimpse onto the other side of the coin so to speak. This is to help encourage and stimulate a reasonable discussion as my first 'attacking' post did. I was honestly tempted to just revert into a rabid militant atheist, but TL prevents me from doing so. Your post has so many misdirected jabs at me that misrepresent what i have said and anyone who just glances over my own posts and just reads yours would think i'm just one big troll. Which is not the case. | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:52 Hnnngg wrote: in Grack we trust, amen. Good fortune Americans, amen. | ||
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Kitkatzy
United States213 Posts
On December 05 2011 04:13 Primadog wrote: At Notre Dame, we pray before every game for victory, why are people bitching about the topic? I bet you beat those heathens every time too! Praise God. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On December 04 2011 19:01 tdt wrote: I'm agnostic but bashing religious people is no different than racism IMO. You're not supposed to discriminate based on rac sex or religion but it seems people do on religion which is sad. Anyways I support this OP believing is half the battle. Not saying it's ok to bash religion or anything, but comparing it with racism is really stupid. You can't choose your race, and you can't choose your sex, you're born the way you are and there's nothing you can do to change it. You can however choose what you want to believe in, so I'd say bashing religious people is more like bashing smokers. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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