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discodancer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 07:38:28
November 22 2011 07:36 GMT
#181
I think MountainJewJunkie has some valid points. I liked the one about contracting - sc2 looks like a giant clusterfuck right now. There is no way in hell tournaments like OP suggested would happen "once a month", that's just absurdity. People will not drive for 10 hours every 4 weeks, that's not how market works. If it's twice a year - sure, you can gather a stadium, but that's about it. Also the level of interest needs to be assessed beyond 1 year of MLG, most of the fans are still short-term viewers, they might ditch sc2 for any other major game that comes out, like D3 or w/e. So yeah, OP is fantasizing a bit too much for my liking.
zalien
Profile Joined October 2010
United States216 Posts
November 22 2011 07:36 GMT
#182
HSL's with you incontrol! In April when my friend and I joked about starting a highschool team league we never imagined 100 teams and being partnered with CSL and all the wonderful things that have come from it, everyday I will keep being an active member like I have and do my very best to spread esports in what small way I can by trying to reach the next generation and make sc just like HighSchool football or soccer, to the future!
Co Head organizer of HSL, a Highschool Team League affiliated with CSL and designed to change the way people see gamers
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 22 2011 07:37 GMT
#183
On November 22 2011 16:09 iNcontroL wrote:
Duravi you've been a troll in other threads that regard me as well.. so it's no real surprise to see you here doing the same.

News flash: Things I have done a year ago may contradict things I say/do in the future.. it's called growth. If you have something to say to my message please do. If you want to try and character assassinate to somehow attack my message that people should moderate themselves (I mean seriously, are you trying to fight this point?) by pointing out I myself was in need of that advice a year ago?

Really?

Didn't think so. Please function as a participating figure in the thread or move along and wait until SOTG tomorrow to start up your crap again.

InControl taking the high road, like a boss.

Only the Critics(TM) are allowed to change their positions at will. They can call a player a washed-up nothing, and when he comes back, claim you saw that coming a mile away. You're anonymous. You're the crowd. Real life isn't like that. It isn't made up of pure noble sentiment and flawless white knights.

I'm really compelled to aggree with the self-moderation urge in the internet community. Companies don't wanna support a sector that will lash out the second it perceives something wrong. The best of us gotta rise to the challenge and let others know that the company you praised for backing a pro-team just yesterday isn't know you should shout a string of expletives over some new product that doesn't suit you. I'm not saying the vitriol will stop just because there's a vocal consensus that it ought to, but the more you let the people around you know that you moderate your responses, let it play out in time--that's improvement. The fact that Geoff sorta stands out as a tough-guy that whines a lot is because he's one of the few the regularly addresses the problem. Start a Drama thread on TL and you're gonna get responses like flies to .... well ... you know. That's nature, that's one level. The next is letting that kind of behavior characterize the entire community. Trash on the SC2 noobs, trash on the casters that are uninformed, compare both to every vile thing your mind comes up with. THAT behavior shouldn't be tolerated, and thank God TeamLiquid moderates that extensively (KellyMilkies for ex.) Personally practice behavior that rises above the internet cesspool at large. My two cents.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Camer51
Profile Joined November 2010
United States8 Posts
November 22 2011 07:38 GMT
#184
My friends ask me all the time why iNcontrol is my favorite progamer. This is a major part of it. Keep up the good work, in and out of the game.
moshthepitt
Profile Joined November 2011
Kenya1 Post
November 22 2011 07:40 GMT
#185
Thank you for this.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
November 22 2011 07:41 GMT
#186
Ok, in a more eloquent way without singling out anything about you Incontrol, what I want to say is a large part of the reason we have the quality of events that we do now is due to the massive negativity on TL an Reddit after events like MLG Dallas and Blizzcon. Negativity does not equal hurting esports. It is a pressure the community can apply on individuals or events to improve. After this Blizzcon it is hard to imagine the next will have as poor of coverage, and immediately after they hired people for esports specifically. By saying TL and reddit should be stricter on those you would stifle that pressure. Community negativity has a purpose and a place. Yes it is dumb when people hate on you for playing Deus Ex 3. But if you try to stop people from complaining about stupid shit like that the moderation may bleed over into things that could actually help. Freedom comes with a price.
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
November 22 2011 07:44 GMT
#187
Geoff cannot be any more right, so much wisdom to be had . Consider me more motivated than before I read this!
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
November 22 2011 07:44 GMT
#188
On November 22 2011 16:41 Duravi wrote:
Ok, in a more eloquent way without singling out anything about you Incontrol, what I want to say is a large part of the reason we have the quality of events that we do now is due to the massive negativity on TL an Reddit after events like MLG Dallas and Blizzcon.


You can be critical without being a spiteful jackass, that's his point.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
November 22 2011 07:45 GMT
#189
I was also expecting to to be about your sub-par proposal to Anna at a run-down local restaurant where she only said yes because it's you, despite the terrible terrible setting it was situated in.

Oh well... I suppose this is decent anyway.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
November 22 2011 07:45 GMT
#190
On November 22 2011 16:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 16:41 Duravi wrote:
Ok, in a more eloquent way without singling out anything about you Incontrol, what I want to say is a large part of the reason we have the quality of events that we do now is due to the massive negativity on TL an Reddit after events like MLG Dallas and Blizzcon.


You can be critical without being a spiteful jackass, that's his point.

So you don't think all the spiteful jackasses had anything to do with the massive improvement of MLG?
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
November 22 2011 07:46 GMT
#191
thank you this helps alot!
High Risk Low Reward
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
November 22 2011 07:47 GMT
#192
sounds like a pretty doable dream to me

I actually wonder a lot about what effect does writing an email to a company that sponsored X player/event/whatever has. I mean yeah it should be great, but I want to know how great is it and on in what way.On the other side, love emails are not as good as a 200% income increase, and may be even sad to see a 0% increase in sales with a ton of love emails.

I would love to see those 10 documentals finally come out, I would love to see an MLG hosted in Mexico, I would love to see more products like vizene or beer or band-aids on an esports event, not major companies, but diverse products, products each and everyone of us needs and are not related to computers. That will be the day
"only the need for meaning changes how you feel about what you see" "he who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" "being a Rebel is as stupid as to be completely Obedient"
skipgamer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia701 Posts
November 22 2011 07:47 GMT
#193
Great post. I've been wanting to help contribute to e-sports in some manner beyond paying my MLG and GSL (cant afford more) subscriptions, and this thread has definitely given me some more ideas about how to do so.

I really wish you could take on some other role within an organisation beyond being a player Geoff. I know playing is your focus I just can't help but think your views, insight and charisma could be of more value to the industry than your star power.
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 07:50:42
November 22 2011 07:48 GMT
#194
IMO Section 2B is crucial and on point, considering the amount of complaining regarding fees/passes/tickets. Maybe you can't buy all the tournament passes/team shirts/sponsoring products, but you can sure as hell write an e-mail/give a social media shoutout to a host city's mayor/chamber of commerce, your favorite team/player/tournament's sponsors, or the manager of an establishment that hosted a barcraft. Even when you're just watching streams/browsing TL it doesn't cost you anything to watch/look at a few ads. Posting on Starcraft specific sites to congratulate tournaments organizers/sponsors/players is great, but to outsiders (which a majority of corporate sponsors/various venues are) it doesn't amount to much. When they see the value, they will want in and value is measured in terms of statistics.

ETA: while you may not get a personalized response from the CEO of a company if you contact them, rest assured they have people keeping tabs on these things, and often times people in charge of reading and responding to any e-mails/letters/etc.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 22 2011 07:51 GMT
#195
On November 22 2011 16:45 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 16:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On November 22 2011 16:41 Duravi wrote:
Ok, in a more eloquent way without singling out anything about you Incontrol, what I want to say is a large part of the reason we have the quality of events that we do now is due to the massive negativity on TL an Reddit after events like MLG Dallas and Blizzcon.


You can be critical without being a spiteful jackass, that's his point.

So you don't think all the spiteful jackasses had anything to do with the massive improvement of MLG?



Constructive criticism is always warranted. How you initiate it is an entirely different story.
Bawbjohnson
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States174 Posts
November 22 2011 07:51 GMT
#196
I've always used cheapy $10 mice and never really understood the fascination with spending so much money on a mouse. When my last mouse died, I needed a mouse, and decided to shop around. In the end I bought a Razer Death Adder, my decision was based off a mix of good reviews, and some of my favorite players using that mouse, and teams (Slayers) being sponsored by Razer.

I have bought products from companies that support e-sports. I have followed players and teams on Facebook and Twitter. I have let players know how awesome I think they are either in person (at events like MLG) or through PM's.

In short, I agree with everything you have said.

5/5, Great blog Geoff!

"Rule 32: Enjoy the Little Things"
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 22 2011 07:53 GMT
#197
On November 22 2011 16:45 Grobyc wrote:
I was also expecting to to be about your sub-par proposal to Anna at a run-down local restaurant where she only said yes because it's you, despite the terrible terrible setting it was situated in.

Oh well... I suppose this is decent anyway.

Exactly my thoughts :O
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HydraLF
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong626 Posts
November 22 2011 07:54 GMT
#198
On November 22 2011 16:41 Duravi wrote:
Ok, in a more eloquent way without singling out anything about you Incontrol, what I want to say is a large part of the reason we have the quality of events that we do now is due to the massive negativity on TL an Reddit after events like MLG Dallas and Blizzcon. Negativity does not equal hurting esports. It is a pressure the community can apply on individuals or events to improve. After this Blizzcon it is hard to imagine the next will have as poor of coverage, and immediately after they hired people for esports specifically. By saying TL and reddit should be stricter on those you would stifle that pressure. Community negativity has a purpose and a place. Yes it is dumb when people hate on you for playing Deus Ex 3. But if you try to stop people from complaining about stupid shit like that the moderation may bleed over into things that could actually help. Freedom comes with a price.


Criticism is good when it is well presented with clear argument, not the content-less 1-2 line rants/trolls you see most of the time. The idiocy really get out of control a lot of time on Reddit and (to a lesser part due to stricter moderation) TL.

Maturity will definitely attract more investors into the scene and outsiders will be more comfortable in finding out what this ESPORTS thing is about.
Sure.
how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
November 22 2011 07:54 GMT
#199
Awesome motivational read!

p.s. you should follow suite with tyler and start a vlog
http://twitter.com/howsc
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
November 22 2011 07:55 GMT
#200
Incontrol you sir are a Scholar and a gentlemen

Keep it up!
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