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On November 18 2011 00:35 Impervious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 19:19 RetFan wrote:
The point I was trying to get across is that lawyers learn a skill set which focuses upon decision making, analysing and applying logical facts and drawing conclusions with as much neutrality as possible. This is the job that lawyers are trained to do, much like engineers are trained to design things and doctors to treat medical illnesses. If lawyers did not exist, then there would not be a non-biased or uniform approach to solving disputes.
I was ok with your opening post. I had hopes you were going to expand on things and that this was actually going to be an informative read. Until I read that line (the next sentence didn't help much either, but that's an entirely different story - individual laws may be non-biased, but every single judicial system in the world that I know of has inherent biases). Do you really believe that you have the best depth of understanding, and are trying to prove that based on your acceptance into a top school, exceptional grade scores, and experience working with top firms will force us to believe that it is a concrete, indisputable fact? If that was the case, how the fuck can you simplify the role of engineers as someone who designs things and doctors who treat medical illnesses? I really don't have time to finish writing a more in-depth reply to this (although I do believe that you deserve one), but every single one of those skills apply to all 3 professions, along with many others. Your profession is far from the only profession which requires extensive use of these skills in order to graduate, never mind being successful. If engineers who design the entire infrastructure we use on a daily basis didn't have skill sets "which focuses upon decision making, analysing and applying logical facts and drawing conclusions with as much neutrality as possible", I'd have lost all hope for humanity. And I wouldn't go to a doctor for treatment of medical illnesses who lacks any of those skills as well. If anything, I'd rather that engineers and doctors had stronger skills than lawyers, since people's safety and well-being is directly affected by said skills. What you have are skills that are desired in a lot of top professions. These skills aren't really something that can be taught, but they can be harnessed with the right education and further training. You've spent a few years honing these skills with legal studies, others go towards engineering, or science, or medicine, etc. Some don't hone these skills, and find their own path; I know that there used to be a chess grandmaster who was a hotdog vendor in NYC. I'd love to see your "depth of understanding" go up vs his in a game of chess, but I already have a good idea of what the outcome would be already. Basically, you need to take a step back and realize that the attitude you have is exactly the attitude that most people hate about lawyers. Yes, you may have a top 1% IQ, and incredible drive to be successful, but that does not make you any better than everyone else by default, and that sure as hell does not make your view a concrete fact.
Lol, that bolded statement will teach me for not reading the entire thread before posting.
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If all lawyers are as arrogant as you come off as being I would bring the lawyer with me on the island
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On November 17 2011 01:50 RetFan wrote:
I also find it quite sad that people from Ivy League schools are expected by society to be modest. I mean come on, these guys are likely to be the top students going to some of the best universities in the world. They have a right to be proud; they've had to sacrifice so much get in. Are these people not allowed to brag about their achievements?
lol.
I'm currently a PhD candidate in biology and graduated from an ivy league. I don't go around prefacing all my proposals and shit with that though, if my ideas have merit they will be judged on that. I would hope that most of them do because I put a lot of effort into them and I have trained for a long fucking time to get here but in the end the only thing that matters is the message.
The smartest scientists I knew at my undergrad school were incidentally the most modest. I see that in the medical students as well, the biggest egotistical assholes are generally in medicine just for the rep/money and aren't actually that great at what they do. The modest ones understand that we still don't know a ton about medicine and they try their best but understand the limits of their practice and work with it.
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This has got to be an epic troll blog right?
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Yeah, I was wondering if this is actually just a really good troll.
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It seems to me that TL is great at completely degrading someone's value as a human being just because of their opinion. What? Don't give me "Guy A gives opinion and statement and Guy B - Z all disagree" its not that simple in this case. Whether anyone in here is right or wrong, that doesn't matter, you guys aren't even entirely focused on that. Things have gotten a little out of hand here and some of you guys went into "internet bully" mode and we laugh and throw rotten fish at the village idiot. Kind of sad.
This isn't Camilla Marchall here, even Camilla walked away with fewer burns than retfan imo. Even if the situations are kind of stark in difference, its still basically the TL community bearing down really hard on one individual. I got the image of us in a mob tossing rocks at a guy, its not like retfan raped your sister or anything.
I'm just saying a little disappointed at some of these posts. I'm not even going to bother to offer my own opinion of thread anymore.
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On November 18 2011 01:20 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 20:42 RetFan wrote:
Aelonius,
I have great respect towards Chinese people. I believe the top English students in China are able to easily surpass native English speakers in the UK, USA or Australia on tests on grammar. But unfortunately in regards to English , that's where it stops.
If we apply the rules of TL strictly, every poster who is coming here not to discuss the topic but to attack my credentials should be banned from TL
Secondly, with regard to the word colleague, you can interpret it strictly or colloquially. In China, I know students take great pride in being able to show off a wide vocabulary. However, having not been brought up in a native background, it is difficult to use words in the correct context. The word colleague would not colloquially be used to describe someone working in the same profession. Otherwise, every lawyer in the world or who I've worked with would be my colleague. This is clearly not true. Similarly, if we were to take a formal definition, we've been taught to rely on the OED.
ROFL the bolded part made me lol. Which rule good sir, forbids users from challenging the credentials of a poster? Lets have a lookieloo shall we 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE nope - irrelevant here 2. THOU SHALL OBSERVE FORUM ETIQUETTE nope - they aren't being unruly 3. THOU SHALL THINK BEFORE POSTING Sure, seeing that your credentials are stupid doens't take MUCH thinking, so i guess you could challenge here simply because its such an obvious conclusion to draw 4. THOU SHALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE SITE nope - people contribute by ensuring authenticity of the OP 5. THOU SHALL NOT SPAM nope - haven't seen people spamming stuff 6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS registered late 2010 and have 32 posts? yep doesn't apply 7. ENGLISH IS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE seems all good here 8. THOU SHALL RESPECT YOUR ID Hard to verify, but i dont think you're worth making an alt to insult you on 9. READ THE COMMANDMENTS Seems like everyone but you did this 10. THOU SHALL HAVE FUN I'm having fun. ps: as someone else who was in the top 2% of their high school class in australia, i can tell you for sure that the reason law has such a stringent OP requirement is popularity. I started in science, which was an OP 8 to get in(i got an OP 1) when i graduated in 2004, now i hear is like a 16 or something ridiculous, simply because people dont want to do it. So yeah, your law degree isn't special or harder, its just popular. pps: I get it, you're doing law, you think you're god of arguing, but just wait till you try to argue with a real lawyer, they'll beat u down sooooooooooooooo hard. Trust me, i know, my cousin in a prosecutor and my dad is one of the best criminal lawyers in australia. ppps: seems like a real lawyer beat u down already. hope you didn't cry too much. have fun memorising 60 bazillion rulings to get your fancy pants law degree. i'll be doing useful things with my software engineering.
Who is your dad, out of curiosity?
I'm a criminal lawyer as well, just wondering if I know him. PM me if you don't mind? 
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On November 18 2011 05:30 Snuggles wrote:
It seems to me that TL is great at completely degrading someone's value as a human being just because of their opinion. What? Don't give me "Guy A gives opinion and statement and Guy B - Z all disagree" its not that simple in this case. Whether anyone in here is right or wrong, that doesn't matter, you guys aren't even entirely focused on that. Things have gotten a little out of hand here and some of you guys went into "internet bully" mode and we laugh and throw rotten fish at the village idiot. Kind of sad.
This isn't Camilla Marchall here, even Camilla walked away with fewer burns than retfan imo. Even if the situations are kind of stark in difference, its still basically the TL community bearing down really hard on one individual. I got the image of us in a mob tossing rocks at a guy, its not like retfan raped your sister or anything.
I'm just saying a little disappointed at some of these posts. I'm not even going to bother to offer my own opinion of thread anymore.
At least Camilla pretended to show concern for other people and displayed a recognition of the fact that maintaining some sort of public image has relevance, regardless of whether she actually did have any concern for others or not. Difference is she did something that will have far reaching consequences for her interaction with the community (maybe?), but we'll all forget about this thread in a couple days and retfan will be free to build whatever online persona he wants afterwards with little consequence.
Really, the thread is just cause and effect. OP started off as self-aggrandizing/elitist and when confronted with flaming about it, just got more so. The burns are his fault. Its like you see a red-hot burner, you reach out and touch it, and when it burns the fuck out of your hand, you get all stubborn, and think that you're better than the burner, and you keep fucking touching it because it should realize that you're too smart for it, and it shouldn't be burning you. Not indicative of borderline genius, at least to me, but what do I know, I'm not in law school.
Of course, he might like being flamed for being elitist, but I think that is fucked up, and besides, if he did, he wouldn't write a post about how he isn't posting here anymore.
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On November 18 2011 05:30 Snuggles wrote:
It seems to me that TL is great at completely degrading someone's value as a human being just because of their opinion. What? Don't give me "Guy A gives opinion and statement and Guy B - Z all disagree" its not that simple in this case. Whether anyone in here is right or wrong, that doesn't matter, you guys aren't even entirely focused on that. Things have gotten a little out of hand here and some of you guys went into "internet bully" mode and we laugh and throw rotten fish at the village idiot. Kind of sad.
This isn't Camilla Marchall here, even Camilla walked away with fewer burns than retfan imo. Even if the situations are kind of stark in difference, its still basically the TL community bearing down really hard on one individual. I got the image of us in a mob tossing rocks at a guy, its not like retfan raped your sister or anything.
I'm just saying a little disappointed at some of these posts. I'm not even going to bother to offer my own opinion of thread anymore.
RetFan basically states that his opinion is more important then everybody else's and then when he's confronted with that statement instead of apologizing or at least clarifying what he meant goes on to basically tell us all that he is a better human being then the rest of us plebes.
This is a direct quote from RetFan:
I also find it quite sad that people from Ivy League schools are expected by society to be modest
What he is saying is that going to an Ivy League school somehow exempts you from being a decent person and it's ok to be a d-bag because, after all, you did go to Brown University.
EDIT: Notice he did not just say "I find it sad that people are expected by society to be modest" As in he understands why societal norms look down on braggarts but that going to a school where you have to pay 10 times as much as if you went to a state school gives you the right to be an arrogant a-hole.
If you still don't understand why people are mad at him then perhaps the internet is not the proper place for you.
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In defense of the OP, he has stated that Australian law schools accept children out of high school so if he's still in law school then he's probably not that mature yet. Maybe cut him a little slack guys
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On November 17 2011 18:02 RetFan wrote:
Blah_blah, you are completely obsessed with stalking me. If there was an option to block on TL.net, you would be the only one on the list. Would it help your fragile ego if I said "science is superior, requires brains and law does not'? Would that be enough to get you to go away? LOL.
Further, since you're unfamiliar with the Australian educational system (which means you probably shouldn't be posting), most undergraduates here do a combined degree. So no, I'm not second year, I'm in my 5th year.
The idea that I'm 'stalking you' when I've made two posts directed at you is pretty funny. Perhaps you just have very thin skin and are upset by my assertion that your partially completed law degree at an Australian university does not exactly qualify you as being a world-class intellectual! You must also be selectively filtering out the parts where I say that people getting into good law schools are smart people!
Whether I'm familiar with the Australian educational system or not is fairly irrelevant. I don't need to be an expert on the educational system of Madagascar to reasonably assert that getting into law school at the University of Madagascar is not really an incredible achievement worthy of writing a few hundred words about on the teamliquid.net forums. Obviously the Australian educational system is better than Madagascar but it's really not like you're at HLS or YLS or anything like that.
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The issue is that he does not understand the difference between "modesty" and "pride."
Yes people with accomplishments have every right to be proud. Being proud is not synonymous with being a loudmouth.
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On November 18 2011 06:12 Ganfei2 wrote:
The issue is that he does not understand the difference between "modesty" and "pride."
Yes people with accomplishments have every right to be proud. Being proud is not synonymous with being a loudmouth.
I think you meant the difference between pride and arrogance ^_^
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On November 18 2011 06:21 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 06:12 Ganfei2 wrote:
The issue is that he does not understand the difference between "modesty" and "pride."
Yes people with accomplishments have every right to be proud. Being proud is not synonymous with being a loudmouth. I think you meant the difference between pride and arrogance ^_^
You should read his previous posts. I love to write a ton of stuff as much as the next guy, but he makes Gretorp from the start of NASL S1 look like a scrub in terms of over or nonsensically using big words.
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This thread just prevented me from playing my daily TES5 session 90 minutes ago. I all hate you.
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I need to go to bed...wait what this AMA thread doing here...
BAM 45 minutes later!
Much entertainment was had. Thank you!
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you can tell how little the mods care about this guy getting insulted that there have been 2 blatant meme quotes, and neither were warned or banned, odd for tl, but amusing none the less
thanks for the entertainment all, especially chill as i only got in the thread after the name change, props to toodly or whatever his name was, you're awesome
Oh and i thought this was the guy who posted all that motivation advice in the idra fanclub, i dont remember if this was deleted or if i'm thinking of someone else as I can't seem to find it
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Funny ass thread you got here, genius lawyer boy. I really am more interested in discussing the deserted island problem than match fixing, or even your credentials. The first replies really should have stepped up in that regard.
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Australia
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