EPTedit: It's funny cause before this, I always believed people could carry themselves out of their elo but tbh I've won too many lanes just to have my team feed to believe that anymore.
why is LoL's rating system so flawed.....
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Serendipityx
United States595 Posts
edit: It's funny cause before this, I always believed people could carry themselves out of their elo but tbh I've won too many lanes just to have my team feed to believe that anymore. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
It's always someone elses fault.. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Get out of playing those and you'll fare better. | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
But writing a ranking system for a game with random teams is pretty hard. Especially if you don't take anything but win/loss into account. Using score in ranking math oh the other hand has its own problems. It might encourage score-farming strategies, instead of trying to win. | ||
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mAgixWTF
Germany103 Posts
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
Look, it's tiring, it's frustrating, it sucks. Guess what? Too bad. Get over it, and just keep playing. Or go duo with a pro friend. It took me about 400 games to get into 1700s last season. This season I got there a bit faster because I started out at 1350, but it still took about 100 games. I find playing support and jungler are the best ways to move up; support because even a retard can right click their way to victory with an AD carry when fed hard enough, so just babysit that shit, and jungle because the success of all the lanes can be directly influenced by you. If a lane is failing, then go help. Then you don't get to use the "oh boo hoo I owned my lane but the other lanes sucked" excuse. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On November 12 2011 21:53 Kiett wrote: lol. To think that elo hell complaining threads would follow me out of LoL general into TL as well. Look, it's tiring, it's frustrating, it sucks. Guess what? Too bad. Get over it, and just keep playing. Or go duo with a pro friend. It took me about 400 games to get into 1700s last season. This season I got there a bit faster because I started out at 1350, but it still took about 100 games. I find playing support and jungler are the best ways to move up; support because even a retard can right click their way to victory with an AD carry when fed hard enough, so just babysit that shit, and jungle because the success of all the lanes can be directly influenced by you. If a lane is failing, then go help. Then you don't get to use the "oh boo hoo I owned my lane but the other lanes sucked" excuse. support is not the way to go if you think you are skilled enough to go to a higher ELO, of all the roles in the game you have the least ability to carry weaker players in the support role. No support in LOL can babysit a poor AD player to fed status, they have to last hit and do most of the work themselves. Plus a bad AD will have no idea how to play with a solid support and will never take advantage of it. If you are really better than everyone you play with then go jungle or solotop and play an asston of games. | ||
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Symbioth
Poland103 Posts
You can fuck up your lane and still win because your teammates are doing good. To own your lane and yet lose a game requires that your teammates are playing worse than teammates of the player you owned in your lane. For this to repeat requires that selected teammates of the player you are against in your lane are consitently being better than your teammates - and this is not very likely. Of course you can lose a game when you totally own your lane but out of, let's say, 30 games, it's likely you will win most of them if you own your lane every time. The win/lose ranking represents the ability of the 1/5 to make the difference in a 5v5 game. | ||
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TheBJ
Bulgaria906 Posts
Elo hell doesn't exist.PERIOD ( or atleast the version everyone cries about ). I.e I am better than this rating and i should be highier. If u are any better you would be able to carry your games 60-80% of the time solo up to ~~1800++ , you wont be able to compensate for feeding lanes above , or well at least not most of the time. I started playing LoL for fun with some friends who were already ~lvl 20 4months before s1 end. Took me a good month ++ some days to reach level 30. By the time i got level 30 i had like 70 wins in normals ( used exp boost ) and had pretty terrible heroes. I.e a friend told me veigar is like magina in dota so i bought him first etc , than i played alot of katarina and leblanc which are all great for pub stomping. Anyway i reached level 30 and bought 3-4 champions for 450 ip so i have 14 heroes for ranked ( lol ). Solo que-ed went 9-1. After 2-3 days there was this elo system bug with the beginning of the new month. Basicly i had to go through the placement matches again , 9-1 again. Took me 180 games in total to reach 2200. Bare in mind i have barely seen 1/2 of the heroes in play and simply got carried by my dota mechanics. You need to approach the games you play with the right attitude and you will find carrying solo in LoL is just as possible until u meat semi decent players. Oh , also i played my first games since 2 months ago and i placed 10-0 and am now 1900 +. If u want to carry solo ur games after dominating ur lane here are some characters that excel very well at it. lee sin , Cass , Brand , Anni ( to a lesser extent ) , Talon ( works top and mid ) , Sion , Ryze , ezrael , graves , kassadin ( if they have semi brain and u can pick away kills all the time ) | ||
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On November 12 2011 22:17 sob3k wrote: support is not the way to go if you think you are skilled enough to go to a higher ELO, of all the roles in the game you have the least ability to carry weaker players in the support role. No support in LOL can babysit a poor AD player to fed status, they have to last hit and do most of the work themselves. Plus a bad AD will have no idea how to play with a solid support and will never take advantage of it. If you are really better than everyone you play with then go jungle or solotop and play an asston of games. Maybe you're right. I can only speak from my own experiences of course. Maybe I just had some insanely weird luck that involved me getting paired with a competent AD carry every single time I picked support (which, given everyone's complaints about how every player but themselves is mentally handicapped, seems unlikely). But I know I climbed some 400 elo on solely the backs of Sona and Janna (including the pits of hell that is the 1300s). Just offering an alternate suggestion to the more common "pick ezpz carry and own" advices given. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On November 12 2011 22:31 TheBJ wrote: This may sound elitist to you , but take it as a peace of advice from a 2.2k + player. Elo hell doesn't exist.PERIOD ( or atleast the version everyone cries about ). I.e I am better than this rating and i should be highier. If u are any better you would be able to carry your games 60-80% of the time solo up to ~~1800++ , you wont be able to compensate for feeding lanes above , or well at least not most of the time. I started playing LoL for fun with some friends who were already ~lvl 20 4months before s1 end. Took me a good month ++ some days to reach level 30. By the time i got level 30 i had like 70 wins in normals ( used exp boost ) and had pretty terrible heroes. I.e a friend told me veigar is like magina in dota so i bought him first etc , than i played alot of katarina and leblanc which are all great for pub stomping. Anyway i reached level 30 and bought 3-4 champions for 450 ip so i have 14 heroes for ranked ( lol ). Solo que-ed went 9-1. After 2-3 days there was this elo system bug with the beginning of the new month. Basicly i had to go through the placement matches again , 9-1 again. Took me 180 games in total to reach 2200. Bare in mind i have barely seen 1/2 of the heroes in play and simply got carried by my dota mechanics. You need to approach the games you play with the right attitude and you will find carrying solo in LoL is just as possible until u meat semi decent players. Oh , also i played my first games since 2 months ago and i placed 10-0 and am now 1900 +. If u want to carry solo ur games after dominating ur lane here are some characters that excel very well at it. lee sin , Cass , Brand , Annie ( to a lesser extent ) , Talon ( works top and mid ) , You cannot carry a whole team for that much too long if your team is bad. Look, your one player two of your teammates are bad one is good and one is a feeder. How are you gonna get through this? The other team is going to get carried too by the feeders/bad players. This is all just possibility and I find this occuring at lower ELO levels. Lets setup a simulation: You have a team of 5, the standard meta-game style, AD bot + support, AP mid, solotop AD/AP and jungler. your playing mid and owning him hard. Your bot and top are doing bad, and considering the AD bot ROLE is to completely carry the game late game, what would you do? Theres nothing you can do unless you consistantly get successful ganks/or do successful ganks which is hard, sometimes the jungler is completely useless and doesn't gank at all. Thus, you have what people call ELO hell. But my two cents is that ELO hell kind of exists in my opinion, It's all luck. Honor replying with a 2.2k player from S1 though. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On November 12 2011 22:31 TheBJ wrote: This may sound elitist to you , but take it as a peace of advice from a 2.2k + player. Elo hell doesn't exist.PERIOD ( or atleast the version everyone cries about ). I.e I am better than this rating and i should be highier. If u are any better you would be able to carry your games 60-80% of the time solo up to ~~1800++ , you wont be able to compensate for feeding lanes above , or well at least not most of the time. I started playing LoL for fun with some friends who were already ~lvl 20 4months before s1 end. Took me a good month ++ some days to reach level 30. By the time i got level 30 i had like 70 wins in normals ( used exp boost ) and had pretty terrible heroes. I.e a friend told me veigar is like magina in dota so i bought him first etc , than i played alot of katarina and leblanc which are all great for pub stomping. Anyway i reached level 30 and bought 3-4 champions for 450 ip so i have 14 heroes for ranked ( lol ). Solo que-ed went 9-1. After 2-3 days there was this elo system bug with the beginning of the new month. Basicly i had to go through the placement matches again , 9-1 again. Took me 180 games in total to reach 2200. Bare in mind i have barely seen 1/2 of the heroes in play and simply got carried by my dota mechanics. You need to approach the games you play with the right attitude and you will find carrying solo in LoL is just as possible until u meat semi decent players. Oh , also i played my first games since 2 months ago and i placed 10-0 and am now 1900 +. If u want to carry solo ur games after dominating ur lane here are some characters that excel very well at it. lee sin , Cass , Brand , Anni ( to a lesser extent ) , Talon ( works top and mid ) , Sion , Ryze , ezrael , graves , kassadin ( if they have semi brain and u can pick away kills all the time ) I don't think you have witnessed how ReginaId was stuck ~1500 elo at the beginning of this season? | ||
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Nehsb
United States380 Posts
On November 12 2011 23:23 RogerX wrote: You cannot carry a whole team for that much too long if your team is bad. Look, your one player two of your teammates are bad one is good and one is a feeder. How are you gonna get through this? The other team is going to get carried too by the feeders/bad players. This is all just possibility and I find this occuring at lower ELO levels. Lets setup a simulation: You have a team of 5, the standard meta-game style, AD bot + support, AP mid, solotop AD/AP and jungler. your playing mid and owning him hard. Your bot and top are doing bad, and considering the AD bot ROLE is to completely carry the game late game, what would you do? Theres nothing you can do unless you consistantly get successful ganks/or do successful ganks which is hard, sometimes the jungler is completely useless and doesn't gank at all. Thus, you have what people call ELO hell. But my two cents is that ELO hell kind of exists in my opinion, It's all luck. Honor replying with a 2.2k player from S1 though. You gank bot over and over again. For a lot of AP carries ganking bot will get you kills easily, even without teammate assistance. The only issue I have is that if their top is also much better, at low elos they can outscale you and win (assuming everyone other than you and their solotop is terrible.) If you're a good ap carry at 1200 elo, you should be able to singlehandedly win mid, bot, and jungle. I still think solotop is easier at 1200, because even if mid/bot/jungle all lose terribly, it's still possible to carry easily just through superior farm, but I find the only way to lose 1200 AP carry games are to have their solotop pick someone who is ungankable and just get farmed + fed and just 1v5. (Or if they actually have good 1200 players who just started playing ranked, which are pretty rare.) | ||
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Enki
United States2548 Posts
It's mostly down to luck. Just best to play someone who has a bigger impact on the game like mid, or jungler, and hope their team has more morons then you. The people who play ranked at low elo seriously do not give a fuck about this game, they couldn't give a shit less if they feed or play terrible. On November 12 2011 21:13 mAgixWTF wrote: can't you group up with somebody how you know is competent? You can duo-queue with someone, which is probably the best way. Never play support in solo queue either if you can help it, you can't carry a team with it. | ||
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muse5187
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VonLego
United States519 Posts
That being said when I loaded up their streams to try to see what this "Elo hell" was like as these pro players go 9001-0-999999 and still somehow lose all I found was a ton of over extending, no warding, and stupid hero choices like AP Tristana. They did a lot of it to themselves because they didn't "tryhard." The ladder is filled of tons of great players, and dozens of pro players trying hard. You won't hit the top of the ladders fooling around no matter how good you are. Personal experience: Tons of frustrating games as with anyone else, but I managed to nab gold with a 2:1 win ratio last season. I'm currently 15:5 this season (9:4 in solo). Seems to work out pretty well for me but losing the last 4 of my "50 point games" made life really rough when going for gold last season. I went from 1400 to 1200ish but went monster mode and basically won almost ever game with jungle nocturne. | ||
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Riku
United States1064 Posts
I'm hoping it'll all settle down in a few months. | ||
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On November 13 2011 03:36 Riku wrote: I believe ELO worked reasonably well until they did the ELO reset with the start of Season 2. Before the rest, the ELO positions were pretty settled so if you were a 1600 player in a 1200 game, you'd carry your team because everyone on both sides other than you is around 1200 ELO. Now there are so many people trying to climb the ladder that bad players keep getting carried up to higher ELOs than they should and drag down the team OR you find yourself against a team that also has players who are climbing the ladder. I'm hoping it'll all settle down in a few months. IMO rating resents are generally a dumb idea. No idea why so many ladders use them. If rankings diverge over time(which only happens with dumb systems) one can simply add a daily decay instead of reseting every few months. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On November 12 2011 21:53 Kiett wrote: lol. To think that elo hell complaining threads would follow me out of LoL general into TL as well. Look, it's tiring, it's frustrating, it sucks. Guess what? Too bad. Get over it, and just keep playing. Or go duo with a pro friend. It took me about 400 games to get into 1700s last season. This season I got there a bit faster because I started out at 1350, but it still took about 100 games. I find playing support and jungler are the best ways to move up; support because even a retard can right click their way to victory with an AD carry when fed hard enough, so just babysit that shit, and jungle because the success of all the lanes can be directly influenced by you. If a lane is failing, then go help. Then you don't get to use the "oh boo hoo I owned my lane but the other lanes sucked" excuse. I've seen people go like 10-0 with ranged AD and not be able to carry Saying any retard can carry when fed is just absurd, esp at low ELO | ||
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Chuiu
3470 Posts
Maybe I'm wrong though, I don't play these types of games anymore because I don't agree with the way they are setup. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 12 2011 23:36 spinesheath wrote: I don't think you have witnessed how ReginaId was stuck ~1500 elo at the beginning of this season? how is that relevant? LoL is like poker. You can be good at poker but have bad luck. But if you play more hands(games) your luck evens out over time and you make profit(gain elo). If you are good then play more and your elo goes up. If you play enough games and it doesn't then the problem is you aren't good enough. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
On November 13 2011 05:05 arb wrote: I've seen people go like 10-0 with ranged AD and not be able to carry Saying any retard can carry when fed is just absurd, esp at low ELO If you're just mentioning a K/D on a ranged AD and thinking that's all it means to carry games, you probably deserve to be stuck in low ELO | ||
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Serendipityx
United States595 Posts
edit: oo and heres another one, what am i supposed to do when people are too stubborn that they don't get their lane? Last pick: "OMG I DON'T GET VAYNE BOT QQ , *plays vayne anyways even though we need a jungler*. All I read about when playing solo queue is learn how to play all roles, win your lane if you're truly better , make calls and ward. I try to do all that and it just doesn't work. I mean it's not like I blame others every game, if I lose my lane or make a bad call I'll blame myself. Or in Starcraft I'm not gonna blame the opponent for all inning me because I should've scouted better. But its simply hard to convince yourself that you could've done more in laning phase other than winning it when the game was clearly lost at that point | ||
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misclick
Korea (South)155 Posts
reginald was stuck at 1500 for a while gz. he's now #4 2173 elo hell doesn't exist. you can get bad luck at any rating and just get a worse team than your opponents. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On November 12 2011 19:31 ChaosTriggeR wrote: So when I'm not playing sc2, I like to play LoL. League of legends uses an elo rating system to rate his players basically like how chess players are ranked. Theres a problem with that, chess is an individual game, League of Legends is five. The people on this game are generally brain dead apparently as well. I was 1500 elo last season and now I'm below 1250. Why? I don't know, I guess my ability to carry 4 other idiots on my team is terrible. I mean, how is it fair that I lose rating when I completely win my lane mid with significantly more creep score and at like 3 or 4 kills on the other mid. What annoys me more is that in these game, my team gets destroyed. The kill score would be like 6 to 18 with me accounting for all the kills or something. I win my solo lane more times than not and at the very least I stay even yet people just love to die and die and die. They're like that marine group who keeps running into a siege tank line. I don't know, maybe its late and I'm tired or something but I simply fail to see how anyone mid laner could account for top and bottom dieing twice in the first five minutes of the game or something. Oh and before someone tells me I should gank other lanes, I try, a lot more than I should tbh and it's pretty freakin hard to gank fed lanes. edit: It's funny cause before this, I always believed people could carry themselves out of their elo but tbh I've won too many lanes just to have my team feed to believe that anymore. HE GETS IT nothing to see here | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On November 13 2011 06:23 Seiuchi wrote: If you're just mentioning a K/D on a ranged AD and thinking that's all it means to carry games, you probably deserve to be stuck in low ELO I could have factored in farm but i really didnt feel like it know why? At low ELO you get a bunch of kills and if you arent retarded then you can carry the game via good positioning wards knowing where to engage, not getting caught any of that shit. Point being you cant expect a fed/farmed moron to carry you even with a ranged AD. I know what it means to carry games, bro. | ||
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TheBJ
Bulgaria906 Posts
On November 13 2011 06:09 travis wrote: how is that relevant? LoL is like poker. You can be good at poker but have bad luck. But if you play more hands(games) your luck evens out over time and you make profit(gain elo). If you are good then play more and your elo goes up. If you play enough games and it doesn't then the problem is you aren't good enough. This. | ||
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
Like many others have said, you might have shitty luck and go on a losing streak with all feeders, but that doesn't continue for long. Since the F2P system hit HoN, I've been constantly making smurfs and getting them to lvl 5 for coins to my main, and I always end up at 1700-1800 while I'm reading forum posts on HoN forums saying that it is impossible for them to get out of 1500s because they can't carry 4 bads every game.. At 1500 if you can't carry 4 bads then you're bad too. | ||
NonY
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
I think one of the problem people have in LoL is that they only pay attention to losses. Statistically you've had just as many games that you won because someone on your team was laning against someone really bad as losses because someone on your team was feeding. Just the former you'll usually put to "oh, well, I'm just amazing at this game" whereas the latter you'll blame on feeders. I'm saying this cuz its a mentality I had for a bit too. | ||
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