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On November 04 2011 02:23 Al Bundy wrote:
Hey yo its poison, fluoride, chlorine
You say its love, it is poison
Forums where I learned they should be burned, it is poison
Canada prescripting us medicine which is poison
American Dental Association injecting our infants with the poison
OP misoverstood is poison
Wikipedia and Youtube poison, toothpaste poison
And any thoughts of taking Incontrol down is poison
I fucking love you
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Not as dangerous as DHMO in my opinion. I worked under a health economist and a leading US uni for two years running nation-wide regressions on the correlation between water fluoride levels and incidence of every major disease the conspiracy theorists/misinformed think it causes. Nothing. Take off the tinfoil
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On November 04 2011 01:39 Aylear wrote:
i.e. "Would they really endanger 300 million people like this, and would 300 million people really be ignorant of such dangers?"
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considering the entire fucking food industry is based around cramming as much poisonous cack into us before we die, its no stretch of the imagination
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On November 04 2011 03:26 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 01:39 Aylear wrote:
i.e. "Would they really endanger 300 million people like this, and would 300 million people really be ignorant of such dangers?"
. considering the entire fucking food industry is based around cramming as much poisonous cack into us before we die, its no stretch of the imagination
Oh golly, I guess that's why life expectancy almost tripled since the bronze age.
Everything is toxic. Water by itself is toxic! It's all about the amount of it you take. We're (relatively) fine. I'd like it if you pointed a point in time when "the food industry" was better.
Note: Consider the effect of scientific development which allows us to generate food much faster than we used to.
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Came for the tin foil hats, left reminded that I haven't listened to Food and Liquor in over two years.
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On November 04 2011 03:44 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:26 FFGenerations wrote:On November 04 2011 01:39 Aylear wrote:
i.e. "Would they really endanger 300 million people like this, and would 300 million people really be ignorant of such dangers?"
. considering the entire fucking food industry is based around cramming as much poisonous cack into us before we die, its no stretch of the imagination Oh golly, I guess that's why life expectancy almost tripled since the bronze age. Everything is toxic. Water by itself is toxic! It's all about the amount of it you take. We're (relatively) fine. I'd like it if you pointed a point in time when "the food industry" was better. Note: Consider the effect of scientific development which allows us to generate food much faster than we used to.
I have to agree with Djzapz on this one. The food industry is not based on cramming poisons into us. It's based on producing things that humans love due to evolutionary requirements of surviving (fat, and sugar) quickly and very efficiently. Now we as humans love it so much that we get addicted to it. It is not the food industries fault that our brains crave fat because our brains think that we need to store as much fat as possible in case the next winter will be a difficult one. Blame evolution on that.
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On November 04 2011 02:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 00:58 FryBender wrote:
DO NOT EAT SALT I repeat DO NOT EAT SALT.Chlorine Gas was used in WWI as a Chemical weapon. Salt contains over 62% of the dangerous chemical Chlorine. The LD50 of Chlorine is 220 PPM/minute. It is widely known that Morton's has been selling us this poison for over 150 years tyring to disguise the lethality of it's product with an image of a cute little girl. But did anyone ever notice that the girl is not eating the salt but is actually spilling it on the ground??? Yeah, she knows what kind of a death toxin she has in her hands and she wants nothing to do with it. Help spread the message!!!! Chlorine is Poison!!!!!
Or you can stop the ignorance and actually try to understand the differences between Flourine and small amounts of flouride ions in your water supply. You win the thread. Conspiracy theorists never were very good at science and critical thinking, I suppose 
Or at understanding when someone is trying to make a point, apparently:
On November 04 2011 02:04 HardMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 00:58 FryBender wrote:
DO NOT EAT SALT I repeat DO NOT EAT SALT.Chlorine Gas was used in WWI as a Chemical weapon. Salt contains over 62% of the dangerous chemical Chlorine. The LD50 of Chlorine is 220 PPM/minute. It is widely known that Morton's has been selling us this poison for over 150 years tyring to disguise the lethality of it's product with an image of a cute little girl. But did anyone ever notice that the girl is not eating the salt but is actually spilling it on the ground??? Yeah, she knows what kind of a death toxin she has in her hands and she wants nothing to do with it. Help spread the message!!!! Chlorine is Poison!!!!!
Or you can stop the ignorance and actually try to understand the differences between Flourine and small amounts of flouride ions in your water supply. DO NOT EAT SALT (also calcium chloride) I repeat DO NOT EAT SALT.Chlorine Gas was used in WWI as a Chemical weapon. Salt contains over (too lazy to look up mass of the elements)% of the dangerous chemical Chlorine. The LD50 of Chlorine is 220 PPM/minute. It is widely known that Morton's has been selling us this poison for over 150 years tyring to disguise the lethality of it's product with an image of a cute little girl. But did anyone ever notice that the girl is not eating the salt but is actually spilling it on the ground??? Yeah, she knows what kind of a death toxin she has in her hands and she wants nothing to do with it. Help spread the message!!!! Chlorine is Poison!!!!! You're absolutely right man, one of the chloride salts, calcium chloride, is toxic like most other chloride compounds and elemental chlorine! But we're actually talking about fluoride here. Or you can stop the ignorance and actually try to understand the differences between NaCl, NaCl2, and the elemental chlorine.
...seriously.
Dear TeamLiquid staff,
Before I begin, I must clarify that I do not presume to enforce the rules in this forum. I do, however, think that this thread should be closed. As you say in the TL Commandments, this is your house, and as such you have the right to elect not to provide an audience to conspiracy theorists. More to the point, you have the right not to pander to the unscientific and baseless.
More more to the point: When you are making claims that, if true, would have a massive impact, cite your fucking sources instead of linking to a Wiki page which partially debunks the very points you're trying to make. Your words are not proof. Bring me peer reviewed articles in scientific journals, not...
The real justification? $$$.
...this.
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On November 04 2011 03:26 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 01:39 Aylear wrote:
i.e. "Would they really endanger 300 million people like this, and would 300 million people really be ignorant of such dangers?"
. considering the entire fucking food industry is based around cramming as much poisonous cack into us before we die, its no stretch of the imagination
I'll never eat or drink anything ever again to stay as healthy as possible.
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So that's why I'm so stupid! Blame it on the fluoride!
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Listen up kids. Stay in school and pay attention during chemistry. Otherwise you may grow up to spout nonsense about water fluoridation poisoning the population.
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On November 04 2011 03:54 FryBender wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:44 Djzapz wrote:On November 04 2011 03:26 FFGenerations wrote:On November 04 2011 01:39 Aylear wrote:
i.e. "Would they really endanger 300 million people like this, and would 300 million people really be ignorant of such dangers?"
. considering the entire fucking food industry is based around cramming as much poisonous cack into us before we die, its no stretch of the imagination Oh golly, I guess that's why life expectancy almost tripled since the bronze age. Everything is toxic. Water by itself is toxic! It's all about the amount of it you take. We're (relatively) fine. I'd like it if you pointed a point in time when "the food industry" was better. Note: Consider the effect of scientific development which allows us to generate food much faster than we used to. I have to agree with Djzapz on this one. The food industry is not based on cramming poisons into us. It's based on producing things that humans love due to evolutionary requirements of surviving (fat, and sugar) quickly and very efficiently. Now we as humans love it so much that we get addicted to it. It is not the food industries fault that our brains crave fat because our brains think that we need to store as much fat as possible in case the next winter will be a difficult one. Blame evolution on that.
read this if you want to update yourself . food industry (and their media) revolves around cheaply produced high-carb fake foods with zero nutritional value (or worse) that are tailored to have addictive properties and push up the price of real grass-fed food and result in a deceived population that is rotten to the core with heart disease and malnourishment
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On November 04 2011 04:17 FFGenerations wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 03:54 FryBender wrote:On November 04 2011 03:44 Djzapz wrote:On November 04 2011 03:26 FFGenerations wrote:On November 04 2011 01:39 Aylear wrote:
i.e. "Would they really endanger 300 million people like this, and would 300 million people really be ignorant of such dangers?"
. considering the entire fucking food industry is based around cramming as much poisonous cack into us before we die, its no stretch of the imagination Oh golly, I guess that's why life expectancy almost tripled since the bronze age. Everything is toxic. Water by itself is toxic! It's all about the amount of it you take. We're (relatively) fine. I'd like it if you pointed a point in time when "the food industry" was better. Note: Consider the effect of scientific development which allows us to generate food much faster than we used to. I have to agree with Djzapz on this one. The food industry is not based on cramming poisons into us. It's based on producing things that humans love due to evolutionary requirements of surviving (fat, and sugar) quickly and very efficiently. Now we as humans love it so much that we get addicted to it. It is not the food industries fault that our brains crave fat because our brains think that we need to store as much fat as possible in case the next winter will be a difficult one. Blame evolution on that. read this if you want to update yourself . food industry (and their media) revolves around cheaply produced high-carb fake foods with zero nutritional value (or worse) that are tailored to have addictive properties and push up the price of real grass-fed food and result in a deceived population that is rotten to the core with heart disease and malnourishment
The food industry produces exactly what us humans crave. I want to be able to decide for myself how much fat and sugar intake I consume on a daily basis. Yes food is addicting. It has to be otherwise our species would not have survived when we lived in trees and did not have a guaranteed food source. The food drive is the most powerful of all the drives in the human psyche (much more so then the human sex drive and we know how powerful that is). Therefore I promise you that the food industry does not need to work very hard to make food even more addicting.
As far as healthy food that is again quite relative. The human metabolism is an extremely complicated yet adaptive system. There are general nutritional guidelines that should be followed (like the required intake of vitamin C since we are unable to produce any ourselves) but we can adopt pretty well to different nutritional foods. The big obesity epidemic that is sweeping the US is not necessarily only caused by food but has as much to do with general physical inactivity. So does that mean that the computer game industry is trying to make us all fat by keeping our children indoors instead of outside running around and playing with our friends?
The industrialization of food production sounds very scary. But the truth is (as DjZpatz has already pointed out) it had a beneficial effect on the general world health with our average life spans skyrocketing in developed worlds where food access is easy specifically due to all those practices that you deem evil.
Finally I would argue that organic farming is, in today's world, actually unethical. The world population now sits at 7 billion people. We have to find a way to feed all of them. Organic farming is inherently much less efficient and has a much lower and slower food production rate. The earth is a limited resource system. By not optimally using the resources that we are given (organic farming) you are ensuring that more people will starve. If you ask me I would much rather die of a heart attack at 70 from my clogged arteries from all the extra fat I ate then die at 5 from malnutrition because I have nothing to eat.
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LOL
what's the alternative, die of dehydration?
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On November 04 2011 01:20 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 00:58 FryBender wrote:
DO NOT EAT SALT I repeat DO NOT EAT SALT.Chlorine Gas was used in WWI as a Chemical weapon. Salt contains over 62% of the dangerous chemical Chlorine. The LD50 of Chlorine is 220 PPM/minute. It is widely known that Morton's has been selling us this poison for over 150 years tyring to disguise the lethality of it's product with an image of a cute little girl. But did anyone ever notice that the girl is not eating the salt but is actually spilling it on the ground??? Yeah, she knows what kind of a death toxin she has in her hands and she wants nothing to do with it. Help spread the message!!!! Chlorine is Poison!!!!!
Or you can stop the ignorance and actually try to understand the differences between Flourine and small amounts of flouride ions in your water supply. This is a good post. I applaud you sir.
Was going to post long winded reply yelling at OP but instead I'll just give you a tip of my hat.
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On November 04 2011 04:17 FFGenerations wrote:read this if you want to update yourself . food industry (and their media) revolves around cheaply produced high-carb fake foods with zero nutritional value (or worse) that are tailored to have addictive properties and push up the price of real grass-fed food and result in a deceived population that is rotten to the core with heart disease and malnourishment
Jesus Christ dude, I think you're missing the point of the health forum if you're blaming anyone but yourself for being "addicted" to bad food.
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On November 04 2011 04:35 FryBender wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 04:17 FFGenerations wrote:On November 04 2011 03:54 FryBender wrote:On November 04 2011 03:44 Djzapz wrote:On November 04 2011 03:26 FFGenerations wrote:On November 04 2011 01:39 Aylear wrote:
i.e. "Would they really endanger 300 million people like this, and would 300 million people really be ignorant of such dangers?"
. considering the entire fucking food industry is based around cramming as much poisonous cack into us before we die, its no stretch of the imagination Oh golly, I guess that's why life expectancy almost tripled since the bronze age. Everything is toxic. Water by itself is toxic! It's all about the amount of it you take. We're (relatively) fine. I'd like it if you pointed a point in time when "the food industry" was better. Note: Consider the effect of scientific development which allows us to generate food much faster than we used to. I have to agree with Djzapz on this one. The food industry is not based on cramming poisons into us. It's based on producing things that humans love due to evolutionary requirements of surviving (fat, and sugar) quickly and very efficiently. Now we as humans love it so much that we get addicted to it. It is not the food industries fault that our brains crave fat because our brains think that we need to store as much fat as possible in case the next winter will be a difficult one. Blame evolution on that. read this if you want to update yourself . food industry (and their media) revolves around cheaply produced high-carb fake foods with zero nutritional value (or worse) that are tailored to have addictive properties and push up the price of real grass-fed food and result in a deceived population that is rotten to the core with heart disease and malnourishment The food industry produces exactly what us humans crave. I want to be able to decide for myself how much fat and sugar intake I consume on a daily basis. Yes food is addicting. It has to be otherwise our species would not have survived when we lived in trees and did not have a guaranteed food source. The food drive is the most powerful of all the drives in the human psyche (much more so then the human sex drive and we know how powerful that is). Therefore I promise you that the food industry does not need to work very hard to make food even more addicting. As far as healthy food that is again quite relative. The human metabolism is an extremely complicated yet adaptive system. There are general nutritional guidelines that should be followed (like the required intake of vitamin C since we are unable to produce any ourselves) but we can adopt pretty well to different nutritional foods. The big obesity epidemic that is sweeping the US is not necessarily only caused by food but has as much to do with general physical inactivity. So does that mean that the computer game industry is trying to make us all fat by keeping our children indoors instead of outside running around and playing with our friends? The industrialization of food production sounds very scary. But the truth is (as DjZpatz has already pointed out) it had a beneficial effect on the general world health with our average life spans skyrocketing in developed worlds where food access is easy specifically due to all those practices that you deem evil. Finally I would argue that organic farming is, in today's world, actually unethical. The world population now sits at 7 billion people. We have to find a way to feed all of them. Organic farming is inherently much less efficient and has a much lower and slower food production rate. The earth is a limited resource system. By not optimally using the resources that we are given (organic farming) you are ensuring that more people will starve. If you ask me I would much rather die of a heart attack at 70 from my clogged arteries from all the extra fat I ate then die at 5 from malnutrition because I have nothing to eat.
you are saying (in some convoluted fashion) that "production of food" is good for humanity. its an interesting perception but it is very limited dont you think? the industry is manipulative and does what it does for profit margins, not for the benefit of "the starving africans".
do you really think the 1st world and 3rd world are treated as the same market? perhaps i should have been more clear but i was not saying that it is the starving africans that are being manipulated into eating (and enjoying) poor-quality food.
i was talking about us guys, and our mothers, and our grandmothers, who go to the supermarket and wade through stacks upon stacks of dangerous processed products (tho beautifully packaged and advertised) with labels like "no added fat!" that we gobble down because we are coerced and controlled by the misinformation and irresponsibility of those who have power over us
fat doesnt clog your arteries, cholesterol does via the conversion of carbohydrates . every "Low fat!!!" label you see is a humongous and tragic FUCK YOU to the public who know no better
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On November 04 2011 01:35 HardMacro wrote:
@ TimmyMac. That's blatantly untrue. In fact, the American Dental Association recommends to parents that they should not be using fluoridated water for their babies' formula, precisely because babies are so small that the concentration in tap water is high enough to actually cause health problems in a significant proportion of babies.
Did you read the wiki page?
On November 04 2011 01:35 HardMacro wrote:
Again, I can pretty safely assume you didn't take or failed chemistry, or you have a terrible memory, or your ability to think has become non-existent due to the aforementioned bigotry. ... The industrial wastes that get added into our water supply include: sodium fluoride, sodium silicofluoride, and fluorosilic acid, none of which are the naturally occurring fluoride compounds but are obviously cheaper.
M.Sc and chemistry teacher here... not sure what you're implying. If YOU hadn't failed chemistry you'd be aware that sodium fluoride is unquestionably the safest way to introduce fluoride ions into any solution for consumption, and that silicon compounds are about as biologically inert as they come.
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On November 04 2011 04:57 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 04:17 FFGenerations wrote:read this if you want to update yourself . food industry (and their media) revolves around cheaply produced high-carb fake foods with zero nutritional value (or worse) that are tailored to have addictive properties and push up the price of real grass-fed food and result in a deceived population that is rotten to the core with heart disease and malnourishment Jesus Christ dude, I think you're missing the point of the health forum if you're blaming anyone but yourself for being "addicted" to bad food.
no i actually care about the people around me who have been damaged and tricked by corporations force-feeding them crap all their lives (figuratively) . it is disgusting how we all live and we should not tolerate it. my mother is a teacher, not a computer scientist, and doesnt know how to use the internet properly; its our responsibility to try to enlighten those less fortunate around us, not to profit with glee from their ill-health. the blame does lie with those who have power over us and who have abused that power to brainwash and manipulate us as a SOCIETY
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On November 04 2011 04:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
LOL
what's the alternative, die of dehydration?
Actually if you contract rabies you can speed up the death process and avoid water more easily to boot.
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