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Ok, it has been coming more prominent recently, but this problem has always been there but It seems that sc2 fans are major trolls. You can go into any stream chat (except NASL where you have to pay to talk) and it will be full of rage, ignorance, political arguments, name calling, threats, etc.
I was watching IEM yesterday, Jinro beat Idra with a bunker rush, for the next 5-10 minutes the chat was full of "Jinro a fag", "Terran fag race" "press 1 is terran is master fag race" I went to comment on Strelok's macro for the next game but my message was buried in a moment by a political argument where someone was saying (real quote) "USA trades $4 trillion and 50,000 lives for 2 sand niggers" Its outrageous the extent of these trolls. sayings like "go kill yourself" mean nothing anymore, I barley even notice them anymore.
More stories, Some dude in GOM chat repeatedly says every morning that Moletrap raped a Korean in 1991, and if anyone asks him to shut up he tells them to "get off moletraps dick" Also in that chat, there is a dude named "EGincholesteral" he devotes himself for talking about how fat Incontol is. I know its retarded and I could just leave the chat but its sad how a few stupid peopple can ruin an experience for the rest.
Now to regular sports, your at the football game, imagine if like thousands of people at the stadium just started shouting "(insert athlete here) is a fag!!!" "Yell 1 if (athlete) is a fag" It would never happen.
I was trying to introduce some of my friends to the esports scene and they were just utterly appalled by the chats on the tournament, they are every little about the actual current matches and much more about who is a fag, political arguments, racism, and general douchebagness.
Point being, stupid anonymous fans give the scene a bad rep, and remove a lot of enjoyment from those who actually want to enjoy come conversation about the games they are watching.
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Wow I was thinking the same thing when watching the WhiteRa vs. Destiny game. Everything was "Protoss Op, protoss fags, destiny/whitera fags, if you like x you suck, if you play y race you suck, fuck blizzard, sc2 is for losers, etc"
And I thought wow, this isn't as bad as most chats. It's pretty sad how bad they are, it feels like 90% of them have a sub-bronze knowledge of the game, nonexistent knowledge of players, and are less than 12 years old with IQs less than 70.
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You realize over the years sports fans have been worse. People get drunk and beat people to death for loving another team. You can sit here and say that SC2 fans are worse, but you have to look at the whole picture. They are sitting behind a computer and would NEVER EVER say that at a live event. That is the only reason why it happens.
Sports fans are a lot crazier than sc2 fans. I'm not saying that it's not a bad thing. I completely agree with you. But you can't compare that some of the horrers that have happened in the past with sports fans. Plus people do shout at games that athletes are dumbasses, fags, etc. A few voices won't be heard over the thousands of others though.
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If real sports fans were to chat anonymously while watching a game they'd be just as bad, if not worse.
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You are comparing the internet to a live sporting event, and that is why your argument fails.
If you've ever watched the stream of a regular sport that happened to have chat you'd see how it can be just as bad.
And while I have never been to a gaming event live, I don't doubt that fans at live events act much differently.
The problem is with the internet in general, and unfortunately that has greater impact on e-sports than regular sports.
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Soccer has hooligans fighting each other and this oftentimes require police to be present. Sometimes it´s so bad that matches have to be stopped. Those people care less about the sport itsself than about the raging and shouting. A lot of famous soccer players were heavily insulted during matches. Oliver Kahn had repeatedly been thrown banana peels at him. A lot of black players are insulted with racist chantings during games. It´s like some people are, welcome to reality ;(
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Sounds like somebodies never seen a good old fashioned football riot. The anonymity is the key here, put football fans in a completely anonymous setting and ask them to communicate and you'd see the hatred spew forth more openly. In real sports the hatred is pressed down due to social graces and so on, normally.
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You should probably know that stream chats, in almost all occasions, are filled with absolute trash.
And sports fans do that all the time, one of the favorite cheers at my local soccer stadium is "You suck, asshole" every time the opposing team's goalkeeper does anything.
That's just America, people have died over soccer games in Europe.
People mindlessly insulting anything and everything in worthless chats really isn't much of a big deal.
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I completely agree with you.
The main difference between ESPORTS and real sports is that these cowards irl just troll behind their computer screen. I bet you they wouldn't have the balls to say anything like that in real life. they're just lifeless cowards who thrive on making peoples' life worse, probably because they are pathetic excuses of a person in real life.
This, in my opinion, is the major thing holding back ESPORTS at the moment, and why many sponsors/companies/non-esports people would not be involved in ESPORTS.
It's a sad part of our wonderful community, but hopefully we can overcome this together.
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Clearly you haven't been to an actual professional sporting event in a while. Until somebody gets stabbed or beaten up for cheering the wrong player at an MLG nothing will be worse than the buffoonery that happens in "real" sports. Every single baseball game I've been to had someone getting tossed out of the ballpark for starting a fistfight or some other nonesense. Then there's the cowardly taunting and cussing out of athletes for the heinous sin of playing for the opposing team. This sort of behavior (and ridiculous ticket prices) is the reason why I stayed at home this season and watched the games on my TV.
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Go to a live event and being in the stands resembles being in the stands of a live sports match.
Go on the internet and on IRC to talk about an esports match, and it resembles being on the internet and on IRC arguing about unrelated shit and shit talking the other team and their players.
How many times do you think Boston Red Sox fans have called Arod or Jeter a flaming homosexual.
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its because the internet is anonymous. in real life, anyone doing that would be escorted out of the stadium, or at the least, their faces would be known.
edit 1: also, there was the yankees fan who served eric bedard divorce papers on the day of his start. i think thats worse than anything else any esports fan has ever did.
edit 2: also brian stow.
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Go see Yahoo! Sports. They're pretty much as bad as this.
Dilution of any demographic via popular appeal does this.
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Now to regular sports, your at the football game, imagine if like thousands of people at the stadium just started shouting "(insert athlete here) is a fag!!!" "Yell 1 if (athlete) is a fag" It would never happen.
With Dutch Football/Soccer it is quite common for "supporters" to chant what you described above.
It's a disgrace but it happens. Sometimes matches get paused until the chants stop, but that happens rarely. Even the Referees get targeted.
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On October 03 2011 13:42 ArvickHero wrote:
If real sports fans were to chat anonymously while watching a game they'd be just as bad, if not worse.
Indeed. I've seen Michael Vick described as an "n-word" quite a few times in IRC [Edit: not TL IRC].
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Sooooo you've never been to a live sporting event, or read comments on a sports site, or read the comments on streams of live sports, eh?? Because there's plenty of that, both in anonymous forums and streams and in persons. Go sit with the bleacher creatures at any game. There's a reason you avoid going back there with little kids.
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Age of the fans have a LOT to do the issue.
A bunch of 50 year olds might swear and rage along the lines of, "wtf I hope xxx dies he's fucking shit."
Whereas, a bunch of 15 year olds rage like the way described in OP, "dick, fags, sand niggers, etc."
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Even though I've never been to a big e-sports live event, I'm actually pretty certain that SC fans will actually be really polite towards one another.
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I must be unique in the fact I never have chat open while watching a stream. I just don't see how it is worthwhile to have chat open at a large event.
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