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Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
August 31 2011 15:29 GMT
#41
I wish people who have no idea what's going on would quit dropping in from the sc2 forum to tell us that BW is "dying". I won't make comparisons, because other people have already done that in this thread... but all of the three sponsors that are pulling out aren't doing it because they're jumping off a sinking ship. Sadly with the economy the way it is it's unlikely that three new sponsors will step in, but it's likely that we'll get one new sponsor, maybe for a combined Oz/MBC/WeMade team? A team with Jaedong, Baby, Sea, Killer, Jaehoon, and Mind should be really good... and more competition at the top for SKT/KT/CJ will be a good thing. I hope there isn't another team dissolution draft... because the best players would probably be snatched up by KT/SKT anyway.
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Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 15:59:00
August 31 2011 15:57 GMT
#42
A combined team would be great, WeMade Fox had a solid roster, but lacked more on the motivation side. If you can combine the pillars of all three teams into one with a great coaching staff the team could compete day in day out. Jaedong, Baby, Wooki, Roro, Sea, Tyson would be a nice lineup already. Hopefully a corporation or a rich person jumps on the prospect of combining the three teams.

It would be nice if the Proleague teams had more stores for international fans to buy gear from. I would have loved to buy a WeMade Fox Jacket. The revenue could help fund the team(do what football/soccer teams do and change the kit every year).
Brood War forever!
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
August 31 2011 16:09 GMT
#43
On September 01 2011 00:23 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 00:18 fabiano wrote:
Jaedong to Khan.

Then we have SKT1/KT/Khan clashes for the titles, which will spark the competition and eventually bring back that has been lost during this crysis time.

For those citing SC2, go to somewhere else because no one cares about it when the subject is BW. So just get out.

Haha I was once warned for speaking in such a manner, but I guess no moderator can take away the truth about the real inner attitude of BW fans towards the ones bringing SC2 trashtalk onto these forums...

NO not Jaedong to KHAN pls. If I could pick a team where Jaedong should go (regardless of all contract/salary issues, just to imagine), I'd pick STX, because it wouldn't kill the balance in the proscene. Plus STX is losing Kal, I'm almost sure he gets signed into ACE.

User was warned for this post

Jesus Christ.

This thread is definitively about Brood War. It's got nothing to do with SC2. So his comment makes sense here.

Your comment was a crazy rant to someone who posted on topic. Do not post these little shots about moderators in passing. If you want to contest your warning, PM me directly instead of twisting the reason for your warning.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
August 31 2011 16:13 GMT
#44
Anyways, on topic: I think it's very unlikely at all three teams simply die. A bad scenario I can see is them them being formed into one new team with all the slack being dropped. The very worst case would be them all disbanding and Jaedong being picked up by another team.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 16:17:30
August 31 2011 16:13 GMT
#45
Do you still watch BW progaming, Chill? :D

I really like the idea of JD in Khan since I'm a huge fan of both Khan and JD, and it would make things really interesting in the top with KT, SKT CJ (Effort ftw) and Samsung duking it out. But more than that I like the idea of a new team forming with the players from Fox, Oz and MBC. That would be one hell of a team. Hope they can find a sponsor for that! ^__^
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
August 31 2011 16:19 GMT
#46
On September 01 2011 01:13 Holgerius wrote:
Do you still watch BW progaming, Chill? :D

I don't stay up for it. If it's on when I'm up, I watch it. I only end up seeing 2-3 matches per month these days. Last games I saw were Jangbi vs Flash (aka Nada vs Foru ^^).
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
August 31 2011 16:29 GMT
#47
On September 01 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
Anyways, on topic: I think it's very unlikely at all three teams simply die. A bad scenario I can see is them them being formed into one new team with all the slack being dropped. The very worst case would be them all disbanding and Jaedong being picked up by another team.


yeah apparently if they don't find sponsors for all three teams they are going to create a "dream team" off them and sell them as one team with like the top players,vets(so anytime and midas stay) and a couple of rookies while the rest get drafted or something.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
August 31 2011 16:32 GMT
#48
On September 01 2011 01:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
Anyways, on topic: I think it's very unlikely at all three teams simply die. A bad scenario I can see is them them being formed into one new team with all the slack being dropped. The very worst case would be them all disbanding and Jaedong being picked up by another team.


yeah apparently if they don't find sponsors for all three teams they are going to create a "dream team" off them and sell them as one team with like the top players,vets(so anytime and midas stay) and a couple of rookies while the rest get drafted or something.

That's really not that bad of a situation. Condense the talent and trim the fat
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 31 2011 16:58 GMT
#49
At the minimum there will be 8 teams (same as pro-baseball in Korea) for next season's PL, so just stay positive and wait for the outcome of the sponsor negotiations.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 31 2011 17:06 GMT
#50
Thing is though, this is becoming a trend. I find it very hard to stay positive at the moment. 2 teams died after last season, 3 teams dying now, and fewer new players in the draft than ever before. Plus the fact that MBC Game is dying as well. Despite being a hardcore atheist I will pray for my precious BW.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 17:11:40
August 31 2011 17:10 GMT
#51
On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:
Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays.
It's about business.


You have no idea what you are talking about.

Why can't someone wish for something without you shooting them down.
Geordie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom653 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 17:15:08
August 31 2011 17:14 GMT
#52
On August 31 2011 19:22 Klaca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 18:16 darkness wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:14 Bibbit wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:
Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays.
It's about business.

OP, this is what you get for posting outside the BW forums. TT

Anyway I liked the idea and it makes sense. But to be fair to the guy I quoted, I think LG has actually been sponsoring some Sc2 stuff so it might not work out. D:



I used to play BW for 3 years, so I'm aware of all progaming teams as well as your mighty Jaedong.
SC2 is more appropriate for money nowadays. It's more widely sponsored. And answers like "No" are retarded.
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 19:01 Bosu wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
I guess I'm officially never coming to these threads anymore. Trolls just can't be stopped. I still wonder if Blizzard really hires them to bash BW or not (in ISP's environment it's a regular case that they hire trolls to bash each other).

This is ridiculous.
Ok everyone knows my opinion (BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this.


People are not trolling. Nobody wants BW to die, but you can't hide from reality. It's dieing. I would like nothing more then LG to drop down millions and save BW. It's not going to happen though. Also LG is an international company and sponsoring a foreign team will get you more exposure for your dollar. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to buy Oz.

Uhh.. no. Have you been looking at event popularity in korea? Other than the showmatches like boxer&nada boxer&yellow SC2 isnt so hot. BW is way bigger in pc bangs and grassroot internet streamers(afreeca, potplayer etc), gets much more people on live events(even stx masters, a mid range event had massive crowd), has more comments & netizen attention. Hell its leading in every front. Meanwhile SC2? Largely blizz sponsored, depending on their capital injections & foreigner interest to keep GSL running.

Gotta admit dude, you are flat out wrong, in Korea BW has significantly stronger fundamentals.



You just ignored the guy's main point... Why would LG, which is a international company, want to sponsor a korean team where the company's name will only get exposure to Koreans? ( and the small amount of foreigners who watch BW these days ) If LG sponsored say EG the name would get exposure to the whole western world, rather than 1 country.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 17:24:42
August 31 2011 17:21 GMT
#53
On September 01 2011 02:06 Holgerius wrote:
Thing is though, this is becoming a trend. I find it very hard to stay positive at the moment. 2 teams died after last season, 3 teams dying now, and fewer new players in the draft than ever before. Plus the fact that MBC Game is dying as well. Despite being a hardcore atheist I will pray for my precious BW.

Fewer new players in the draft but the Mystarleague and Rookie League numbers have been very good. Draft numbers are low because of the all the pessimism. And low draft numbers in turn generate even more pessimism.

Teams also need to be more efficiently managed, unlike Wemade Fox. I hope this is a wake-up call for the other teams. What would also be good is more competitions for amateurs and semi-pros. Competitions like Mystarleague and RL keep the interest alive amongst aspiring pros.

Regarding MBCGame... There are other, non-BW related factors behind their closing. Some of that is company politics.

This is a real test for BW but if it can survive this, there will be many many more years of pro-BW to come.
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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
August 31 2011 17:29 GMT
#54
On September 01 2011 02:14 Geordie wrote:
You just ignored the guy's main point... Why would LG, which is a international company, want to sponsor a korean team where the company's name will only get exposure to Koreans? ( and the small amount of foreigners who watch BW these days ) If LG sponsored say EG the name would get exposure to the whole western world, rather than 1 country.


I am using wiki (lol) to back up what I'm going to say - but the same reason Samsung has a proteam? Samsung is a huge international company as well, and they've got a team.

"LG Corp. (Korean: LG 법인) is the second-largest South Korean conglomerate company following Samsung, and it is headquartered in the LG Twin Towers in Yeouido-dong, Yeongdeungpo-gu, Seoul."

It's not like LG wouldn't benefit from having a team as well, to rival Samsung.
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Pelopidas
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada225 Posts
August 31 2011 17:43 GMT
#55
On September 01 2011 02:14 Geordie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 19:22 Klaca wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:16 darkness wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:14 Bibbit wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:
Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays.
It's about business.

OP, this is what you get for posting outside the BW forums. TT

Anyway I liked the idea and it makes sense. But to be fair to the guy I quoted, I think LG has actually been sponsoring some Sc2 stuff so it might not work out. D:



I used to play BW for 3 years, so I'm aware of all progaming teams as well as your mighty Jaedong.
SC2 is more appropriate for money nowadays. It's more widely sponsored. And answers like "No" are retarded.
On August 31 2011 19:01 Bosu wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
I guess I'm officially never coming to these threads anymore. Trolls just can't be stopped. I still wonder if Blizzard really hires them to bash BW or not (in ISP's environment it's a regular case that they hire trolls to bash each other).

This is ridiculous.
Ok everyone knows my opinion (BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this.


People are not trolling. Nobody wants BW to die, but you can't hide from reality. It's dieing. I would like nothing more then LG to drop down millions and save BW. It's not going to happen though. Also LG is an international company and sponsoring a foreign team will get you more exposure for your dollar. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to buy Oz.

Uhh.. no. Have you been looking at event popularity in korea? Other than the showmatches like boxer&nada boxer&yellow SC2 isnt so hot. BW is way bigger in pc bangs and grassroot internet streamers(afreeca, potplayer etc), gets much more people on live events(even stx masters, a mid range event had massive crowd), has more comments & netizen attention. Hell its leading in every front. Meanwhile SC2? Largely blizz sponsored, depending on their capital injections & foreigner interest to keep GSL running.

Gotta admit dude, you are flat out wrong, in Korea BW has significantly stronger fundamentals.



You just ignored the guy's main point... Why would LG, which is a international company, want to sponsor a korean team where the company's name will only get exposure to Koreans? ( and the small amount of foreigners who watch BW these days ) If LG sponsored say EG the name would get exposure to the whole western world, rather than 1 country.

BW is on primetime TV. SC2 is on random internet streams.
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Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States405 Posts
August 31 2011 17:52 GMT
#56
On September 01 2011 02:06 Holgerius wrote:
Thing is though, this is becoming a trend. I find it very hard to stay positive at the moment. 2 teams died after last season, 3 teams dying now, and fewer new players in the draft than ever before. Plus the fact that MBC Game is dying as well. Despite being a hardcore atheist I will pray for my precious BW.

If we do get a merger of the three disbanding teams, I'm sure they'll get a sponsor with their solid roster. There's potential for a lot of star power, excluding Jaedong since he's already the driving force. And a team like that could easily contend for the championship every season. Also, OGN will be the single channel airing these games, so we should get quality matches every week.

In turn, this increased competition among Proleague will surely stimulate excitement. Hopefully it would bring in more and more aspiring rookies that could one day become the next Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, etc.

Maybe there might never be any more expansions to the 8 teams, but with a revival of rookies, the teams could last a lot longer and provide more competition in the long run so that there wouldn't be any more disbandings in the future.

/optimism
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
August 31 2011 18:40 GMT
#57
On September 01 2011 02:43 Pelopidas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 02:14 Geordie wrote:
On August 31 2011 19:22 Klaca wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:16 darkness wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:14 Bibbit wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:10 darkness wrote:
Yo, I'm sure no company is interested in BW anymore. SC2 brings money nowadays.
It's about business.

OP, this is what you get for posting outside the BW forums. TT

Anyway I liked the idea and it makes sense. But to be fair to the guy I quoted, I think LG has actually been sponsoring some Sc2 stuff so it might not work out. D:



I used to play BW for 3 years, so I'm aware of all progaming teams as well as your mighty Jaedong.
SC2 is more appropriate for money nowadays. It's more widely sponsored. And answers like "No" are retarded.
On August 31 2011 19:01 Bosu wrote:
On August 31 2011 18:52 _Quasar_ wrote:
I guess I'm officially never coming to these threads anymore. Trolls just can't be stopped. I still wonder if Blizzard really hires them to bash BW or not (in ISP's environment it's a regular case that they hire trolls to bash each other).

This is ridiculous.
Ok everyone knows my opinion (BW should be supported in all possible ways, cause it's an unique cultural phenomenon (yes, BW is, and SC2 isn't and will probably not ever be)). So, I'm done with this.


People are not trolling. Nobody wants BW to die, but you can't hide from reality. It's dieing. I would like nothing more then LG to drop down millions and save BW. It's not going to happen though. Also LG is an international company and sponsoring a foreign team will get you more exposure for your dollar. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever for them to buy Oz.

Uhh.. no. Have you been looking at event popularity in korea? Other than the showmatches like boxer&nada boxer&yellow SC2 isnt so hot. BW is way bigger in pc bangs and grassroot internet streamers(afreeca, potplayer etc), gets much more people on live events(even stx masters, a mid range event had massive crowd), has more comments & netizen attention. Hell its leading in every front. Meanwhile SC2? Largely blizz sponsored, depending on their capital injections & foreigner interest to keep GSL running.

Gotta admit dude, you are flat out wrong, in Korea BW has significantly stronger fundamentals.



You just ignored the guy's main point... Why would LG, which is a international company, want to sponsor a korean team where the company's name will only get exposure to Koreans? ( and the small amount of foreigners who watch BW these days ) If LG sponsored say EG the name would get exposure to the whole western world, rather than 1 country.

BW is on primetime TV. SC2 is on random internet streams.

This is a pretty big point, lol.
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blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 19:04:11
August 31 2011 19:02 GMT
#58
First and foremost, LG is not an international company, but a Korean one. And I doubt that the LG CEO's know about the foreign SC2 scene or are interested in it. BW is a visible industry in Korea.

Oh, and what that guy above me with the beer icon said.
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theleo_ua
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine150 Posts
August 31 2011 19:10 GMT
#59
On August 31 2011 18:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Yes LG. You. Please save e-sports by getting the OZ team, including Jaedong.

First of all, you can certainly afford it. With a net-income of 5.8 billion USD last year, sponsoring an e-sports team is pocket change for you. But perhaps more importantly, since your major competitors within South Korea (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom) all have teams, I think you should, as well. At a time like this, by investing in e-sports will certainly improve your corporate image and boost sales.

Wait, you are still not convinced? OK look. Just get OZ, and I will get the LG Thrill 4G from AT&T... I promise >__<


Maybe I am not a first, but will LG read this post?

As for OZ/MBC/Fox - for me it is enough, if kespa will create a dream team with best players of OZ/MBC/Fox, for example jae, killer, hiya, anytime, baby, mind, shine, jaehoon, sea.

As you know, CJ team is not bad, and now it contains from players of hite, estro and old CJ.

P.S. Yes - I am OZ fan, and 70% of my BW movie is about OZ.

P.S.2. Maybe we need to show my "bw forever" movie to kespa and LG, and they will close all BW proscene forever? Just kidding
My BW events/showmatches: https://tinyurl.com/theleo-fund / This will be awesome if they manage to only improve the graphics but keep the gameplay EXACTLY THE SAME. One thing that makes BW great to watch is actually the buggy pathfinding (c) Dante08
Talic_Zealot
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
688 Posts
September 05 2011 12:58 GMT
#60
No matter what happens to OZ I'm sure he will get multiple offers and there won't be any problem. Top players like him will obviously wait until the new game has been figured out a bit more so they can actually use their incredible decision making(esp in JD's case). In any case OZ or not, Jaedong hwaiting!
BTW
to sc2 forum people: BW is still dominating Korea, and with a reason. It's strategy level is high above what we currently have in sc2. It is the solid concept our new game is built upon and the peak we hope to reach some day.
to bw forum people: I am still watching BW every day and love the game that I grew up with, but I cannot understand the recent tone of the bw forum. What is up with the 'hipster nerd' syndrome? You sound like these old people who don't accept the use of computers, smartphones and ..all new technology. The game is still named StarCraft , despite units and mechanics the basics of economy are the same and that drives strategy.
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