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On August 28 2011 06:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Why are we paying 10x as much for diamonds than we should?
It's because companies have monopolies over it, and it's the same with other markets. Regardless of who you are, you will try and maximize your profits, and therefore, they make mutual agreements between each other to make the most money.
On that note though, HP was making $40 per computer (so I read)... And if it's true, they aren't overcharging nearly as much as you say. In the case of something like Alienware or Razer, you are paying for the shininess rather than for practicality and performance. Much like buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini.
^Agreed, OP and other people who are angry at new tech need to see the Blade not as a tool for gaming, but for what it is: a luxury item. There are watches that cost tens of thousands of dollars, but it's not like people buy them to tell what time it is.
At least when gamers buy ridiculously expensive rigs (and who's to say how they should spend their disposable income?), they have a shiny new gadget and it runs games pretty well. Better to splurge on the hobby you love than say, gourmet meals or fashion items indistinguishable from imitation knockoffs.
Another thing, companies have to recoup R&D costs. Maybe they could have developed something better, but that doesn't change the fact that many people have already been paid for coming up with this thing.
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On August 28 2011 06:42 Azuroz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 05:47 Djzapz wrote:
-The Razer Naga is a mouse for MMOs. While good players will use their keyboard hand to perform basically any ability, noobs will offload keyboard functions to the mouse which has plenty of extra buttons - this is bad because that mouse should be used for "aiming", basically.
I can agree with you about a big portion of what you said but not this. As you said it is a mouse for mmo's, and for example wow pvp requires A LOT of keybinds, eventually you might run out of comfortable keybinds even with shift modifiers and such. Having played a healer in wow arena i can imagine the mouse buttons being very useful for target macros and such, easy to reach buttons which will decrease need to drag your mouse pointer across your ui. That being said i havnt actually used it myself, but it kinda fills a purpose for those who needs it.
I used to play WoW arena at a fairly high level (6 times Gladiator over seasons 1 to 4 on Warrior and Warlock). I also played a Druid though not very much. I have medium-sized hands but I've never come close to running out of keys with numbers 1 to 0, shift-1 to shift-6 and ctrl-1 to ctrl-6 on top of all the letters that are easy to reach. Unless things changed dramatically (and as far as I can tell they haven't), the keyboard is more than enough.
On August 28 2011 06:52 Enervate wrote:
It's not a ridiculous amount. I don't understand people who think a product is worth the sum of its components. It's called supply and demand, not supply and supply.
I understand your point - it's true, the value of a product isn't the sum of its components. It's still overpriced for what it is. They might have well charge $3200. Maybe I'm completely wrong and Razer is actually doing good business, but I think they're misreading the situation of mobile gaming pretty badly.
On August 28 2011 06:58 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 06:35 Djzapz wrote:On August 28 2011 06:26 T.O.P. wrote:
Can you build a portable 17 inch laptop? I bet you can't. So I don't know why you're getting mad about a laptop. That's a wonderful argument. The logic is astounding. I can't build this laptop so it's perfectly fine to charge a ridiculous amount for it. Do I look like a freaking manufacturer? Genius. Give me resources and I will, but don't ask me to build electronics and housing with a screwdriver. They don't charge a ridiculous amount. You can't just take the cost of the parts and add it up. What about Research and Development? Support? Marketing? PC Manufacturers aren't making any money and that's why HP is quitting on it.
R&D? Clearly other companies have been able to do it more efficiently.
Support? Clearly other companies have been able to do it more efficiently.
Marketing? Some graphic design and a website, etc. Sure.
People have a choice here. If they're willing to pay for Razer's inability to design something trivial for cheap, then they can do that. I can look at the laptop and say that it's price is not justified. It's really not.
Companies who survive these days are the ones who are able to cut costs decently well. The gaming laptop market is saturated. Razer will merely establish a niche for a very limited amount of people. Mom and pops shops are dying out. Luckily, Razer has other products
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Not everyone has the time or interest to learn as much about computers as you. I guarantee there's fields that you're not an expert in and you probably get ripped off there in the same way.
People don't buy Macs because they use them as an accessory (although that does happen) but because they're simple. They go on the Mac website or walk into a Mac store and if they want a laptop they have like 3 options. It's incredibly easy and stress free. If you don't know a lot about computers then shopping for one can be hell. People are willing to pay a premium if it means they don't have to spend hours / days / weeks researching, learning, and shopping for something.
It's the same case with Alienware except it's targeted at the computer illiterate gamer which may seem like an oxymoron at first but with the rising acceptance of gaming has become a serious demographic.
In these cases people are paying for convenience which is a perfectly reasonable thing. In fact it's not just the uninitiated who buy this sort of product. I don't see how anyone who knows so much about computers isn't aware of how much of a massive time sink learning about and building them is.
If I wanted to build a PC tomorrow it would probably take a couple weeks of all my free time to do so. At least if I wanted to do it well that is. Which basically consists of absolutely ridiculous amounts of cross referencing specs, prices, reviews, and so on for each individual piece of hardware. The result is I save a lot of money but the price is I spent a lot of time doing so. Sometimes it evens out if you enjoy doing it but other times after I've stared at benchmarks for 6 hours straight I wonder if it's really worth it. If I had the money I could totally see myself just buying an Alienware.
At this point in my life it's worth my time for all the money I save but later on I could likely see myself with a bit more money and a lot less time, in which case my time would be worth more than the money I'd save building a PC myself.
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Well Aztec, if you were ever to consider buying an Alienware simply because you don't want to spend the time building the PC (which is completely reasonable), might as well use sites like "ibuypower" that don't charge nearly as much. Even computer illiterates can use it pretty easily and they don't waste quite as much money.
There are easy alternatives.
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)
"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.
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On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)
"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies.
Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out."
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I agree with nearly everything you said except for the razor naga mouse, when you're playing wow you don't want to search for ANY buttons, I used to use asdfgrt1234+ctrl+alt (modifiers)+my 6 mouse buttons on my steelseries and I used most of them in every fight. It can really help. But as far as the overpriced computers I can understand where you're coming from it's rather infuriating how much profit they make off of hardware just because it comes in a pretty case/
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On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)
"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies. Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out."
Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time."
On August 28 2011 07:53 Dacendoran wrote:
I agree with nearly everything you said except for the razor naga mouse, when you're playing wow you don't want to search for ANY buttons, I used to use asdfgrt1234+ctrl+alt (modifiers)+my 6 mouse buttons on my steelseries and I used most of them in every fight. It can really help. But as far as the overpriced computers I can understand where you're coming from it's rather infuriating how much profit they make off of hardware just because it comes in a pretty case/
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. IMO, a better player would be able to do it all with his keyboard. Offloading to the mouse can help but it's sub-optimal. Like calling down extra supply with your orbital command, it may be better than being supply blocked, but if everything went perfectly you wouldn't have to use it and you'd be better off.
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On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)
"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies. Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out." Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time."
"I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself."
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On August 28 2011 08:09 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)
"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies. Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out." Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time." "I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself."
Quote battles eh... But that person is stupid!!
1- "Engineers" don't overclock computers, and if they do, their time is grossly under-appreciated.
2- Nothing will "happen to the computer because of the overclock", and if it did, the manufacturer warranty would still be in place (for free mind you, no extra $150 for 1 year of coverage). You would have to be a complete imbecile to mess up a current computer by overclocking it.
3- Buying a new computer because something broke? What?
I guess what you're saying is that exploiting idiots is fine. Maybe you're right. It's a shame not every family has a tech savvy person to save them thousands of dollars.
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On August 28 2011 08:16 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 08:09 T.O.P. wrote:On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)
"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies. Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out." Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time." "I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself." Quote battles eh... But that person is stupid!! 1- "Engineers" don't overclock computers, and if they do, their time is grossly under-appreciated. 2- Nothing will "happen to the computer because of the overclock", and if it did, the manufacturer warranty would still be in place (for free mind you, no extra $150 for 1 year of coverage). You would have to be a complete imbecile to mess up a current computer by overclocking it. 3- Buying a new computer because something broke? What? I guess what you're saying is that exploiting idiots is fine. Maybe you're right. It's a shame not every family has a tech savvy person to save them thousands of dollars.
I press the button and it won't turn on. What do I do?
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On August 28 2011 08:25 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 08:16 Djzapz wrote:On August 28 2011 08:09 T.O.P. wrote:On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)
"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies. Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out." Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time." "I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself." Quote battles eh... But that person is stupid!! 1- "Engineers" don't overclock computers, and if they do, their time is grossly under-appreciated. 2- Nothing will "happen to the computer because of the overclock", and if it did, the manufacturer warranty would still be in place (for free mind you, no extra $150 for 1 year of coverage). You would have to be a complete imbecile to mess up a current computer by overclocking it. 3- Buying a new computer because something broke? What? I guess what you're saying is that exploiting idiots is fine. Maybe you're right. It's a shame not every family has a tech savvy person to save them thousands of dollars. I press the button and it won't turn on. What do I do?
The problem is, you're starting to ask questions that maybe your average computer user may need help on, but your average PC Gamer may NOT.
I would venture to guess that the average PC Gamer can diagnose, and solve the problem for himself. The question is, is it worth Razer's money to try and come into a crowded field where the number of people who are willing to pay for such a laptop is already limited. I would venture to say no.
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On August 28 2011 08:25 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 08:16 Djzapz wrote:On August 28 2011 08:09 T.O.P. wrote:On August 28 2011 07:59 Djzapz wrote:On August 28 2011 07:53 T.O.P. wrote:On August 28 2011 07:35 Djzapz wrote:
Also I don't think many people use Macs for the good reasons (a few people do.)
"I'm too stupid to handle windows" is just sad, especially for young people who still have space in their brain for new technologies. Here's a good reason why people are willing to pay a premium for macs. "I don't know how to do this on my computer. I walk into the apple store, go to genius bar and a friendly apple employee will help me out." Here's a good reason to pay $200 to have a processor overclocked. "I don't know how to do this and I'm absolutely willing to get ripped off big time." "I don't know how to do this and I'm willing to pay $200 for a engineer to do it. If anything happens to my computer because of the overclock, I want to be able to call a technician over instead of having to buy a new computer because I can't fix the problem myself." Quote battles eh... But that person is stupid!! 1- "Engineers" don't overclock computers, and if they do, their time is grossly under-appreciated. 2- Nothing will "happen to the computer because of the overclock", and if it did, the manufacturer warranty would still be in place (for free mind you, no extra $150 for 1 year of coverage). You would have to be a complete imbecile to mess up a current computer by overclocking it. 3- Buying a new computer because something broke? What? I guess what you're saying is that exploiting idiots is fine. Maybe you're right. It's a shame not every family has a tech savvy person to save them thousands of dollars. I press the button and it won't turn on. What do I do?
You have a few options, I could pull the cookie cutter flowchart for noobs but I'll just assume you don't want to touch it at all.
1- Contact a friend/family member who knows things.
If not available: Contact the manufacturer of the PC. They'll help you even if they don't overcharge you (crazy)
2- Google
3- Bring it to a PC shop, it won't run you $200. If something blew up, it's still under warranty.
Note: Most likely it's not related to your overclock if you're on a modern platform
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About overclocking:
If you know what the word means, you already probably know how to do it, if not Google is your friend.
If you don't know what it means, you probably don't need it.
I don't know how you can get into an argument about something like that, lol.
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This laptop was actually insulting to me. If they really care about PC gaming and PC gamers, charge us a reasonable price?
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On August 28 2011 09:30 Firepaw292 wrote:
This laptop was actually insulting to me. If they really care about PC gaming and PC gamers, charge us a reasonable price?
I agree with this 100%. Even the Alienware m17x is $1200 cheaper and its actually better. They tried to hard to make it look "cool" and sleek but its just a bad horribly overpriced laptop. I own some of razors products and love them but this is just to much.
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On August 28 2011 09:30 Firepaw292 wrote:
This laptop was actually insulting to me. If they really care about PC gaming and PC gamers, charge us a reasonable price?
Well their "for gamers by gamers" motto is pretty much an outright lie, but that's to be expected. I'm not so much insulted as I am sad for the suckers who will buy into it.
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