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The traffic at TL has increased so dramatically over the past 2 years, and consequently, so has the amount of content that has come forth. The Ten Commandments give users a guideline by which they can choose to abide. For the most part, this is enough.
The mods do what they can to keep the site clean of trash. I appreciate them for their tireless efforts to de-clutter the forums and provide the community with a safe place to discuss opinions.
However, due to the sheer volume of garbage being posted, I feel that even with their best efforts and the power of the Ten Commandments behind them, some is bound to go unnoticed. This emboldens rubbish-posters to continue and draws unsuspecting novices into pointless discussions.
I honestly believe that TL.net would benefit from hosting and broadcasting a moderated live-discussion about the current landscape of the website and where they see it heading.
The list of invitees could include people such as forum vets, mods and admins.
I would like to hear whether they agree upon the deteriorating quality level of the forum posts. For those that do agree, I would like to hear discussions about strategies to stem this problem. For those that don't agree, I would like to hear their views.
If anyone does agree with this idea, please voice your support. It may not produce any results but I hope it may plant a seed of an idea into the minds of the powers-that-be.
 
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On August 22 2011 05:05 See.Blue wrote:
^ Nice icon! Jelly...
Why does he get elly  lol jks its nice ^^.
OT: I think it could be a good idea, however I think its also our responsibility to report any of the posts that are unacceptable and not just wait for a mod to clean it up when they find it or try to flame the person who said it. <--- I've seen this quite often.
The first step we can take is to take action ourselves to help the mods and admins out.
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I don't know if this is really necessary. Mods could just warn/ban more if content is really too bad and everything keeps going downhill.
As a relatively new member to this forum i've already written my fair share of bad posts but i find myself more and more writing something and deleting it without posting.
New members need some time to adjust but it's important that bad posts do get warned because the only reason i delete a lot of shit is because there are awesome people on this site who write amazing stuff. When i read that stuff i feel myself ashamed when i make a lousy contribution.
Bad posts generate more bad posts, good posts prevent them.
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On August 22 2011 05:25 SnetteL wrote:
I don't know if this is really necessary. Mods could just warn/ban more if content is really too bad and everything keeps going downhill.
As a relatively new member to this forum i've already written my fair share of bad posts but i find myself more and more writing something and deleting it without posting.
New members need some time to adjust but it's important that bad posts do get warned because the only reason i delete a lot of shit is because there are awesome people on this site who write amazing stuff. When i read that stuff i feel myself ashamed when i make a lousy contribution.
Bad posts generate more bad posts, good posts prevent them.
You learned faster than most then. Most includes I. I got banned from the brood war strategy forum once upon a time and I still hadn't learned my lesson. I was stunned that I had been banned even so much as twice. I felt that I had written long posts. However, what was in those posts got me banned without me realizing why and I continued to post the same way with only minor adjustments until finally one day I read some advice that wasn't in the ten commandments. To think before I post and if it doesn't contribute, then don't post it.
I took forever to learn and I feel that there should be an "Advice From Current TL Veterans" section in the commandments(Or a link from the commandments to another thread titled Advice From Current TL Veterans). The section/topic would only be edited/posted in by those with the rights of banlings/staff. No normal user would be able to post there but it would still be viewable by the community. Maybe just having it locked/sticky'd in a forum other than the locked area if possible? Not sure exactly on how to do something like this but I know it would be incredibly useful.
What would be in it? Advice any new user would need to know that isn't already in the commandments/isn't stressed enough. Stuff like "when you get warned/banned don't just rage, analyze what you did wrong and make sure you put a sticky note on/near your computer so you'll remember before you post  " or "Before hitting Post think "Do I really need to post this? Is this going to portray me in a good light?" If not, then don't post it. If it will, then continue on. If you aren't 100% certain then be safe and don't post."
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I'm very doubtful we'll ever see another 'Great Purge'.
While all publicity is good publicity, it would reflect poorly on TL in other communities.
Honestly though, apart from tackling the problems of any community predominantly populated by young men and boys; TL remains a beacon of light. Other forums / social network sites related to gaming are complete cesspools by comparison.
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On August 22 2011 05:37 Jathin wrote:
omg you elitist.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but =).
On August 22 2011 06:37 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 05:25 SnetteL wrote:
I don't know if this is really necessary. Mods could just warn/ban more if content is really too bad and everything keeps going downhill.
As a relatively new member to this forum i've already written my fair share of bad posts but i find myself more and more writing something and deleting it without posting.
New members need some time to adjust but it's important that bad posts do get warned because the only reason i delete a lot of shit is because there are awesome people on this site who write amazing stuff. When i read that stuff i feel myself ashamed when i make a lousy contribution.
Bad posts generate more bad posts, good posts prevent them. You learned faster than most then. Most includes I. I got banned from the brood war strategy forum once upon a time and I still hadn't learned my lesson. I was stunned that I had been banned even so much as twice. I felt that I had written long posts. However, what was in those posts got me banned without me realizing why and I continued to post the same way with only minor adjustments until finally one day I read some advice that wasn't in the ten commandments. To think before I post and if it doesn't contribute, then don't post it. I took forever to learn and I feel that there should be an "Advice From Current TL Veterans" section in the commandments(Or a link from the commandments to another thread titled Advice From Current TL Veterans). The section/topic would only be edited/posted in by those with the rights of banlings/staff. No normal user would be able to post there but it would still be viewable by the community. Maybe just having it locked/sticky'd in a forum other than the locked area if possible? Not sure exactly on how to do something like this but I know it would be incredibly useful. What would be in it? Advice any new user would need to know that isn't already in the commandments/isn't stressed enough. Stuff like "when you get warned/banned don't just rage, analyze what you did wrong and make sure you put a sticky note on/near your computer so you'll remember before you post " or "Before hitting Post think "Do I really need to post this? Is this going to portray me in a good light?" If not, then don't post it. If it will, then continue on. If you aren't 100% certain then be safe and don't post."
I feel that you are expressing some very valid points. A lot of negative comments that are posted lead me to often wonder, "why was this posted'?
As an abstract example, consider the situation where a thread, discussion or Fan Club has been started about a well-known personality, team or current issue in the community. Many users will voice their opinions in support of or against the subject at hand. However, many users feel the need to go beyond and post unnecessary comments about how they specifically abhor the said personality, team or current issue for an intangible and perhaps irrelevant reason.
Discussion is paramount to maintaining a community forum, but baseless accusations and insults do not contribute and should not be posted.
On August 22 2011 05:12 OmniEulogy wrote:
OT: I think it could be a good idea, however I think its also our responsibility to report any of the posts that are unacceptable and not just wait for a mod to clean it up when they find it or try to flame the person who said it. <--- I've seen this quite often.
The first step we can take is to take action ourselves to help the mods and admins out.
I actually do take advantage of my privilege to report bad posts. However, I am strive to remain respectful of the abuse of power. I worry that I may fall into the trap that I will just report anything that I don't agree with.
However, I definitely do agree with you that those with the privilege can do a lot to help themselves out.
On August 22 2011 05:25 SnetteL wrote:
I don't know if this is really necessary. Mods could just warn/ban more if content is really too bad and everything keeps going downhill.
As a relatively new member to this forum i've already written my fair share of bad posts but i find myself more and more writing something and deleting it without posting.
New members need some time to adjust but it's important that bad posts do get warned because the only reason i delete a lot of shit is because there are awesome people on this site who write amazing stuff. When i read that stuff i feel myself ashamed when i make a lousy contribution.
Bad posts generate more bad posts, good posts prevent them.
This is also very true. I especially enjoyed the last thought.
I'd like to address your statement about what mods could do. As a user of TL, I am personally interested to find out if there is an over-arching plan to guide the level of future content. This might be the single most interesting thing to come out of the Round Table.
For instance, if the mods have not been given any specific guidelines, then the mods are essentially acting based on their own judgement.
For an example on the other end of the spectrum, if moderators were handed a very specific mandate to be intolerant of sub-par posts, then the mods would have very little freedom in their duties.
I guess what I'd like to know is:
Do the staff of TeamLiquid care to share their views on the future direction of TL?
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I dont see you getting anywhere... i been on tl since 2004... ive seen it grown into what it is now... and i like it, so many different views and everything, its fun to read up on, and a good learning experience.
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I think it would be epic if they got their staff in NY to sit around the table and just talk for an hour or so. completly scriptless and just talk about what they'd want to do.
Or a bunch of the mods on teamspeak doing the same thing.
I so wish the site would declare a grand crusade and Purge for great glory and victory but I doubt this will happen. ESPORTS had developed and we can't have nice things anymore.
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Ah I remember the times when there would be purges. They were fun times...very fun times >
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Awesome icon Hawaiianpig.
Use your report button more you have been here long enough to have one.
I find that people are learning its not a bad as it was a year ago.
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I think the report function and potential addition of banlings will easily keep crap posting to a minimum.
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I dont see a problem here. Out of all the places that Ive ever visited on the internet where interaction between individuals is possible(forums, chats etc), TL.net is by far the most heavily moderated ive ever come across. I can say this because one of my favorite activities online is *drum roll* trolling.
TL.Net is impossible to troll effectively. People complain about ICCUP's moderation but ive successfully trolled the shit out of the ICCUP forums in the past. Ive trolled people in chatrooms and other forums in the pursuit of "lulz" and often for lengthy periods of time, creating shitstorms and derails with little effort. I just dont see a way to do this here as ive done in the past because bans come here very swiftly thereby stopping any attempt dead in its tracks.
Another thing about this site is the fact that there is a relatively high concentration of intelligent people here when compared to your average online community so even without strict moderation, the intelligence of the users here make it hard to effectively rile them up with bullshit because they can most times see through that.
TL.net doesnt have a problem in my opinion. Just keep doing what you guys have been doing and you guys will be fine.
Here are a couple examples of the shit I like to pull on forums for fun:-
Here are two example of me trolling threads on ICCUP under the ID TaintedOne
Example 1
Example 2
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I was thinking the same thing when I saw the title before clicking it lmao.
It's up to them to mod it man. I rarely reported anyone. I don't necessarily agree with a lot of them and they miss a ton of shit (this isn't a 24/7 job, they're volunteers after all), but it's their duty.
I deal with the shit in many different ways. Normally I ignore it because I know it won't go anywhere.
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On August 22 2011 07:38 Slaughter wrote:Ah I remember the times when there would be purges. They were fun times...very fun times >
They only did a few of those.
Rekrul really started the whole thing as he would just go on his own tirades.
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On August 22 2011 07:52 SarR wrote:Here are a couple examples of the shit I like to pull on forums for fun:- Here are two example of me trolling threads on ICCUP under the ID TaintedOne Example 1Example 2
You are proud of those re+ Show Spoiler +aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal
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Not a matter of being proud.....It was really really fun It provided lots of entertainment to me. Was that so wrong ?
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Kingjames, come back to mafia.
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@SarR Your links don't work. Says 502 bad gateway. Is that the joke? 
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Iccup was glitching around the time I posted them....Try em now they are working.
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I feel like you're trying to troll us by showing us how you trolled others. And banned for 38 years LOL! Also, what does it mean when the comments are faded out? I'm not familiar with iCCup's ways of modding. Also, I like how a thread about bm is closed for too much bm lol. At least the mods there have humor :3
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On August 22 2011 04:51 kingjames01 wrote:
The traffic at TL has increased so dramatically over the past 2 years, and consequently, so has the amount of content that has come forth.
I agree with this and don't have any solutions (so in this specific instance I guess I could be considered to be adding to the problem? lol)
However, for me, much of the problem is simply volume. 8 years ago, a thread with 4+ pages of responses meant that it's a good read. Now a thread with 4+ pages of responses simply means it's been in existence for 30 minutes.
I don't [often] have the time to read 30 pages on a single thread. Beyond a time issue, of the 30 pages of responses, there are less than 10 posts that have any sort of legitimate content.
Also, there is a divergence between what tl.net mods find valuable content and what I find valuable. As long as a poster is polite, his opinion is generally welcome (even if it doesn't have much substance). For me, unless there is something striking about the post (which could include flaming/insults) the post doesn't have value.
I got my first warning the other day for calling someone a retard (or stupid, or something like that). The guy was clearly a retard. The TL.net of yesteryear would have no problem with me calling him on it.
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