• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:26
CET 20:26
KST 04:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win SC2 Proleague Discontinued; SKT, KT, SGK, CJ disband
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest RSL Revival: Season 3 Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation
Brood War
General
Which season is the best in ASL? Data analysis on 70 million replays BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1817 users

Transparency in Benchmarks (Rant/Tips)

Blogs > JingleHell
Post a Reply
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 19 2011 23:38 GMT
#1
Semi-Ranting Part
+ Show Spoiler +

It irks me these days. Any time someone asks about a specific computer part, if I can't find it on one of my tried and trued websites, I groan a little inside. There's multiple ways a benchmark can be bad, and the worst is a vague review to make a mediocre or bad product look good.

Why do I hate these worse than bias? Well, frankly, because bias is usually pretty easy to spot. A site or reviewer that looks desperately for a way to make something look better than it's competitors is fairly obvious, since direct comparison is required. Any time there's direct comparison, you can apply a little bit of critical thinking and elementary math to see the discrepancy for yourself.

The problem with a vague review is that some people do accurate vague reviews, and some people use a vague review to obfuscate a desire to continue getting free stuff by finding a way to make the facts look better. Now an accurate vague review, while frustrating, can at least be useful, for finding potential issues that will let you make an informed decision on something. When I was looking into purchasing the Antec Lanboy Air case, I ran into several of these. While it drove me completely insane to not see much information on the thermal and acoustics of the case, those weren't my main concern. I was worried about build quality, since the case is a veritable treasure trove of gimmicks.

Unfortunately, you aren't always trying to find stuff that a vague review will provide well, and when this happens, it can be downright annoying. By nature, a vague review or benchmark is never transparent. There won't be enough comparison, or the testing methodology will either be vague, variable, or just downright not discussed. When this happens, you'll be stuck looking at a chart, scratching your head, and trying to make an educated guess.

The problem, of course, is that a lot of "reviewers" think that the way to keep getting free or discounted stuff to review is to find a way to make the stuff look good. But if nobody reads your reviews, and nobody links to it, are you really doing yourself or the manufacturers a favor? No, of course not. You're just making yourself look like an idiot. If you aren't going to compare something to a proper baseline, you might as well not benchmark or review it at all.

Now obviously, the odds of any of the people I'm complaining about reading this are slim to none, so what value does this have? None, really, aside from possibly educating people about how to properly use several vague reviews to get more data than people were trying to give out.


I spoilered the semi-ranting part, since I'm sure not everyone is interested in that part.

Educational Part

So, here's to the tips. If you can't find a half-decent review of a product, but do find 3-4... shall we say less than useful ones, there's ways to drag the hidden information out of them.

1: Look for common compliments. Certain words, like innovative, really just mean "non-standard", which also frequently means "we couldn't stop swearing at it". If there's no good pictures of whatever is "innovative" you know it's a damn nuisance. "Lots of fans" or "Amazing airflow" mean "Poor mans surround sound for the movie Twister." Get the idea?

2: Look At Picture Angles. If the pictures avoid certain angles like the plague, look at what you aren't able to see. No picture behind the motherboard tray? Cable management blows. No picture of the Hard Drive bays? Good chance they might be either noisy or inconvenient. Anything they don't want to give you pictures of from a rational angle is either inconvenient or badly engineered.

3: Look for what isn't mentioned. This one only works if you read a decent number of good reviews as well. Anything that normally gets discussed in a good review that doesn't in a vague review is probably an issue. Good examples would be acoustics or thermals on a GPU, cable management or HDD mounting in a case, noise quality or OC'ed performance on a CPU cooler.

Basically, it's all about reading between the lines and having a base knowledge of what sort of things a review or benchmark should have for a given component. If you find a site that does good reviews, bookmark them. Use their search feature. And don't just throw away a vague review. Find several of them, keep them open in tabs next to each other, and apply these tests to all of them at once. If the hidden stuff is consistent, you know that it's not an oversight, and you can extrapolate what's wrong with the product.

I would post this up as a guide, but we already have some good lists of where to go for information in the Tech Boards, and nobody actually reads those anyways. Plus, I felt like bitching about it, and that makes for a terrible guide. So Blog it is.

*****
Turo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada333 Posts
July 19 2011 23:57 GMT
#2
I always go to cnet for my reviews...

Seems ok to me, how do you find their reviews?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 20 2011 00:00 GMT
#3
On July 20 2011 08:57 Turo wrote:
I always go to cnet for my reviews...

Seems ok to me, how do you find their reviews?


Never went there before 10 seconds ago, and I got attacked by an ad so massive and intrusive that it loaded slightly jerkily on my PC. Screw them. I use Anandtech, HardwareCanucks, and SPCR mostly. I don't really keep too close of tabs on PSU reviews, though. If I need one of those, jonnyguru, as suggested by Myrmidon.
SaYyId
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal277 Posts
July 20 2011 16:01 GMT
#4
5/5. You're the only IT guy around here (blog section, as far as I know) and you're really helpful in the Tech Support. If this were Twitter, I'd follow you. If this were FB, I'd like this and befriend you (I'll stop now since you get the idea).
No Strings. No attachments.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 16:47:50
July 20 2011 16:47 GMT
#5
Not really an IT guy. Just a hobby. I do blogs because it seems the reasonable place to stick ranting and bragging into the mix.

But I do appreciate the sentiment. Pretty sure you can actually collect TL blogs as an RSS feed if you actually wanted to, although my updates are kind of random.
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
July 20 2011 17:29 GMT
#6
jingle is one of the guys who helped my pick out the parts to my pc in my sig, and gave me tips on over clocking, definitely a good guy and knows his shit.

5/5
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 00:19:48
July 21 2011 00:19 GMT
#7
On July 21 2011 02:29 TadH wrote:
jingle is one of the guys who helped my pick out the parts to my pc in my sig, and gave me tips on over clocking, definitely a good guy and knows his shit.

5/5


I thought my main tip for OCing was to ask someone who had actual experience with sandy bridge CPU's, instead of me?

I just helped you fix your temp issues.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
StarCraft2.fi
17:00
15V Cup / Groups Day 3
starcraft2fi 132
Reevou 10
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Fuzer 339
BRAT_OK 74
IndyStarCraft 53
MindelVK 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2965
Larva 266
Shuttle 200
Dewaltoss 119
ggaemo 110
Dota 2
Gorgc6586
qojqva4801
syndereN326
canceldota27
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1528
edward244
chrisJcsgo78
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu175
Other Games
Grubby1605
DeMusliM1020
FrodaN928
KnowMe307
Livibee175
Sick172
C9.Mang0112
QueenE67
Trikslyr66
ViBE27
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 1
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 3DClanTV 59
• FirePhoenix15
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2401
• TFBlade1060
Other Games
• imaqtpie856
• Scarra568
• WagamamaTV432
• Shiphtur132
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 35m
The PondCast
14h 35m
OSC
20h 35m
Demi vs Mixu
Nicoract vs TBD
Babymarine vs MindelVK
ForJumy vs TBD
Shameless vs Percival
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV 2025
2 days
SC Evo League
2 days
BSL 21
3 days
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
OSC
3 days
Solar vs Creator
ByuN vs Gerald
Percival vs Babymarine
Moja vs Krystianer
EnDerr vs ForJumy
sebesdes vs Nicoract
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV 2025
3 days
OSC
3 days
BSL 21
4 days
Bonyth vs StRyKeR
Tarson vs Dandy
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV 2025
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
PiGosaur Monday
6 days
StarCraft2.fi
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-30
RSL Revival: Season 3
Light HT

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
Acropolis #4 - TS3
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.