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Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
July 13 2011 03:33 GMT
#1
I'm wondering if I'm just spouting out incoherent babbling or if this is a decent idea, but I'm wondering if Ravens could be used in TvZ? I'm not saying they could be a true successor to the Science Vessel, but it could work out well with tanks.

Tanks rely on positioning, and Mutalisks are traditionally used to pick off stray tanks with AA support. With that being said...

Auto turrets: 10 dps. That's similar to a stimmed marine's dps. Of course, they can't be spawned en masse nor do they really have that fear factor which 30 stimmed marines deliver when they're dashing straight for Mutalisks.

But...

PDD: Blocks up to 20 attacks. One by itself won't do too much, maybe save a few tanks. Now combine that with maybe another PDD, one Auto turret, and marines marching in, we can get spared tanks while Mutalisks do virtually little to no damage.


Cons:

This is a highly unrefined idea. I thought of this after raging at Ravens in PvT games.

This will most likely eat up gas that could be used for tanks and in army trading situations.

This could probably drive TvZ into another tank chess war (huzzah!).



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A fed jungler is no longer a jungler, but a terrorist.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 13 2011 03:51 GMT
#2
Ghosts are the new science vessel:
Snipe=irradiate (without AoE), 75 or so energy to kill a zerg unit (like irradiating muta/defiler)
EMP= emp, detection, takes out shield+energy in an AoE (may require 2 since it only removes 100)

They also shoot, adding a little bit more dps against mutas+lings.
Less gas heavy than ravens, so you can make more tanks, plus rax is a cheap building/tech
Also forces the zerg to make overseers
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 04:46:51
July 13 2011 03:57 GMT
#3
Ravens get very strong the more you get. In high numbers they are extremely strong, but before they get to that point they're weak. A ghost has good utility before they are massed, so it's plausible for them to be used earlier.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 04:09:06
July 13 2011 04:04 GMT
#4
Damn it...

I was hoping for some black-haired beauties excercising their newly found curiosity.

IMBA title

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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
July 13 2011 04:30 GMT
#5
Strange that you don't mention Heat-Seeking Missiles, an AOE ability to replace the AOE of irradiate. I've thought about using Ravens, too, in TvZ - while messing around in customs, I massed 30 of them and obliterated an army of some 30-40 hydralisks spamming HSM.

Like Froadac mentioned, it takes a higher number, though, so I wonder if there's a way someone can successfully transition into ravens.
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
Korinai
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada413 Posts
July 13 2011 04:31 GMT
#6
If you aren't making Ravens, you're wrong. Make Ravens, seriously.
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
Cyclone999
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada331 Posts
July 13 2011 04:33 GMT
#7
I take it you are looking for a thread like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
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