• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 18:18
CEST 00:18
KST 07:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced13Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid22
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool 2026 GSL Tour plans announced MaNa leaves Team Liquid Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
Data needed RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Gypsy to Korea ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1697 users

Woo I got an FW900

Blogs > r_con
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
July 01 2011 17:47 GMT
#1
So I was at work a couple days ago, and i checked craigslist as usual to see if their were any deals, as you never know the treasure you are gonna find. Well i notice an ad for an FW900, and its in its only 2 miles away from my house. I'm filled with excitement, this is the monitor i have wanted for a very long time, but i have never wanted to throw 300+ bucks at it, and that's not including shipping.

Now an FW900 is a CRT, one of the few widescreen CRTs, its enormous with a 24 inch screen, and... it's 93 pounds. So i call the guy up, he says its in pretty good condition physically, but the blacks on it are not what they used to be. I'm not sure what that means totally, I'm like sure no problem, what's the price though? he says "20 bucks, it's priced to sell" I'm like sure, when can i pick it up, he says tomorrow. So me and a friend go up there after i get up work(i think i might need help as this thing is pretty heavy), i knock at the door, guy answers, says come by the garage, so i go to the garage, and i see it, this massive fucking cube. I hand him his 20 bucks. I go lift the the thing, and as i lift it, my nice work pants rip straight in half and my cock flops out(i don't wear boxers) and i just start laughing my ass off. The guy just looks at me with this funny look, and then starts laughing, and its just the funniest shit in the world. My friend laughs, picks the thing up, and says "sorry for my friend, he's a bit off". He carries it to his car, I'm laughing my ass off with my cock dangling as i walk across the street in broad day light.

So eventually i get it home, hook the fucker up to my computer, and when he said the "blacks aren't what they used to be" he wasn't kidding. The thing had this horrible brightness, and wasn't showing true black as i expect from my CRT's. So I feel really disappointed, the image quality is so bad that i can't use it. But then i cool off, think logically, and think, maybe it has image restoration(a lot of my other CRT's have that) to fix the obviously off centered tubes. Well, i have to wait for the thing to warm up, and that takes an hour in half. but eventually it warms up, i run image restoration on the thing, and bam, the image pops and corrects itself after about a minute. Still a little off though, so i adjust some of the settings and make sure it has true black and a good contrast settings as well as proper color levels. So i get all that done. But CRT's need a little extra oomph to make their quality skyrocket. They need improved hertz. Now my old CRT could do 1024x768 @ 100 hertz and 800x600 @ 120 hertz and had a maximum resolution of 2048x1536@ 60 hertz. Both are very acceptable to me. But this new CRT, well, it can do 1280x800 @ 140hz, it was amazing, playing starcraft 2 like this was incredibly smooth, as well as quakelive and TF2 being amazing at 140hz and widescreen. But this was what i expected, as well as the improved image quality and colors over my current CRT. But I wanted to do a good test, how good can this thing look, so I put it at 2304x1440@80 hertz, put on the scene "old times" in SC2 and I'm just blown away by the colors and lighting. The screen is so big, and the game is so smooth that It seemed like a different scene to me, my jaw literally dropped as i saw the great detail and amazing lighting in Tychus face. And all of this for 20 bucks, some ruined pants, and a very odd situation.

So if you guys are prowling craigslist and see a 24" inch widescreen Sony or Trinitron monitor, for a good price, grab it, despite it's size and weight, and despite what you may think about older CRT technology, it truly is the best monitor that you can get.

****
Flash Fan!
Horuku
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 17:53:06
July 01 2011 17:52 GMT
#2
You're telling me CRTs, a dead technology, are better than LED/LCDs in 2011? Don't believe it, you can get really good true black on LCDs nowadays.

Good story none the less.
d<^^>b
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
July 01 2011 17:57 GMT
#3
On July 02 2011 02:52 Horuku wrote:
You're telling me CRTs, a dead technology, are better than LED/LCDs in 2011? Don't believe it, you can get really good true black on LCDs nowadays.

Good story none the less.



Yes, I'm telling you that CRTs are better than LED/LCDS in 2011. Only, really high quality ones, cause the average CRT is shit, just like most LED's/ LCDS.

But the FW900 is the BEST monitor in the world in terms of image quality, no LCD is even close.

Tip just because a technology is old, or dead, does not mean its a bad technology. Think about it like this, the processor in my smartphone, was originally made in 1999 for netbook pcs, and we are finally using it in 2011, Now it runs an android OS. If technology is good, it doesn't matter when it is made.
Flash Fan!
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 18:05:17
July 01 2011 17:59 GMT
#4
Sounds interesting, I'm very picky when it comes to screens.

At least, if I buy one, I'll make sure to wear underwear !

On July 02 2011 02:57 r_con wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 02:52 Horuku wrote:
You're telling me CRTs, a dead technology, are better than LED/LCDs in 2011? Don't believe it, you can get really good true black on LCDs nowadays.

Good story none the less.


Tip just because a technology is old, or dead, does not mean its a bad technology. Think about it like this, the processor in my smartphone, was originally made in 1999 for netbook pcs, and we are finally using it in 2011, Now it runs an android OS. If technology is good, it doesn't matter when it is made.


What ? What CPU does your smartphone uses ? a Pentium 2 ? Of course old technologies can sometimes produce better results than the new ones. But comparing your smartphone CPU with '99 PC CPU ?!
ॐ
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
July 01 2011 18:05 GMT
#5
Aren't CRTs better than LCDs for FPS?
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 18:12:19
July 01 2011 18:10 GMT
#6
On July 02 2011 02:52 Horuku wrote:
You're telling me CRTs, a dead technology, are better than LED/LCDs in 2011? Don't believe it, you can get really good true black on LCDs nowadays.


I work in the visual effects field, where color calibration, uniformity, and wide view angle are essential. The best CRTs are way beyond most LCDs in this regard, but the companies that used to make CRT monitors have largely stopped. This means that many visual effects companies are reduced to stockpiling CRT monitors that are no longer in production.

When I worked at Dreamworks Animation, this was considered a serious enough issue that they teamed up with HP to develop an LCD monitor that met their specifications. The result is this:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/382087-382087-64283-72270-3884471-3648397.html

A $2500 beast that does the job well enough, given appropriate calibration hardware and software support.

Color calibration is the bane of professional media. Few engineers understand it, including some self-proclaimed experts in the field. It's really frustrating.

Edit: I love my current job, but the fact that every digital lighter at Dreamworks has one of those on their desks does occasionally make me wonder why I left my last one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
July 01 2011 18:17 GMT
#7
On July 02 2011 02:59 endy wrote:
Sounds interesting, I'm very picky when it comes to screens.

At least, if I buy one, I'll make sure to wear underwear !

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 02:57 r_con wrote:
On July 02 2011 02:52 Horuku wrote:
You're telling me CRTs, a dead technology, are better than LED/LCDs in 2011? Don't believe it, you can get really good true black on LCDs nowadays.

Good story none the less.


Tip just because a technology is old, or dead, does not mean its a bad technology. Think about it like this, the processor in my smartphone, was originally made in 1999 for netbook pcs, and we are finally using it in 2011, Now it runs an android OS. If technology is good, it doesn't matter when it is made.


What ? What CPU does your smartphone uses ? a Pentium 2 ? Of course old technologies can sometimes produce better results than the new ones. But comparing your smartphone CPU with '99 PC CPU ?!


the arm11 in my CPU was developed and created in 2002, not 99, sorry.

But I'm simply stating, that how "good" technology is has nothing to do with when it was created. It matters the goals of the tool or device, is all I'm trying to get, so I should have made that more clear. Sometimes discoveries will make a technology better, but sometimes it will sacrifice something for it. It's like saying mp3s are better than CD's for sound. sure its newer technology, but the sound quality is worse, so you give portability / convenience, for worse sound quality.
Flash Fan!
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
July 01 2011 18:21 GMT
#8
On July 02 2011 03:17 r_con wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 02:59 endy wrote:
Sounds interesting, I'm very picky when it comes to screens.

At least, if I buy one, I'll make sure to wear underwear !

On July 02 2011 02:57 r_con wrote:
On July 02 2011 02:52 Horuku wrote:
You're telling me CRTs, a dead technology, are better than LED/LCDs in 2011? Don't believe it, you can get really good true black on LCDs nowadays.

Good story none the less.


Tip just because a technology is old, or dead, does not mean its a bad technology. Think about it like this, the processor in my smartphone, was originally made in 1999 for netbook pcs, and we are finally using it in 2011, Now it runs an android OS. If technology is good, it doesn't matter when it is made.


What ? What CPU does your smartphone uses ? a Pentium 2 ? Of course old technologies can sometimes produce better results than the new ones. But comparing your smartphone CPU with '99 PC CPU ?!


the arm11 in my CPU was developed and created in 2002, not 99, sorry.

But I'm simply stating, that how "good" technology is has nothing to do with when it was created. It matters the goals of the tool or device, is all I'm trying to get, so I should have made that more clear. Sometimes discoveries will make a technology better, but sometimes it will sacrifice something for it. It's like saying mp3s are better than CD's for sound. sure its newer technology, but the sound quality is worse, so you give portability / convenience, for worse sound quality.


But 2002 ARM11 CPUs have nothing to do with 2011 ARM11 CPUs in terms of performance, energy consumption, price, etc.

Agree on the rest.
ॐ
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
July 01 2011 18:21 GMT
#9
I do have to add that the low power consumption and smaller footprint of LCD monitors is a HUGE benefit compared to CRT technology. I use LCDs at home, where my work doesn't have to be that color accurate, and it's so much better than when I had a huge CRT clogging up my desk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
July 01 2011 18:22 GMT
#10
Awesome! I had the NEC 24" CRT (not widescreen, can't remember what model number it was now) and it was amazing. I prefer my 30" Dell LCD for poker and desktop work, but nothing beats a CRT for gaming.

The only problem tends to be as they get old the brightness really starts to drop.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
July 01 2011 18:23 GMT
#11
Best part about crts is the high refresh rate, which no one that plays starcraft seems to care about, but it's so annoying playing on those shitty lcds with 60hz, gives me a headache.

CRT until other monitors have 120+ hz and are cheap, otherwise crts kick their asses ^^
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
July 01 2011 18:24 GMT
#12
On July 02 2011 03:05 TOloseGT wrote:
Aren't CRTs better than LCDs for FPS?


They used to be significantly better, mainly because of poor response times and ghosting issues, but nowadays LCD tech has gotten far better. Even the top quake and CS pros all use LCDs now, the difference in performance isn't noticable at all and the LCDs are far more conventient.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
July 01 2011 18:25 GMT
#13
On July 02 2011 03:24 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 03:05 TOloseGT wrote:
Aren't CRTs better than LCDs for FPS?


They used to be significantly better, mainly because of poor response times and ghosting issues, but nowadays LCD tech has gotten far better. Even the top quake and CS pros all use LCDs now, the difference in performance isn't noticable at all and the LCDs are far more conventient.


It is noticeable, unless they're using high refresh rate LCDS, its DEFINITELY noticeable.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
July 01 2011 18:32 GMT
#14
CRT is still better than LCD when it comes to response times and input lag. 120Hz LCDs are nice and all, but 120Hz on a CRT is still nicer and any quake pro will tell you exactly this. They're just not feasible at tournaments anymore, so 120Hz LCDs are the next best thing.

An FW900 for $20 is an awesome deal, grats.
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
July 01 2011 18:32 GMT
#15
I would be interested in a comparison to OLED screens, which are supposed to be just as good as CRTs at true black and such, but I've never actually seen one myself(At least not knowingly, I've wandered around futureshop and whatnot).
3.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
July 01 2011 18:35 GMT
#16
Haven't used CRT's in like 6 or 7 years now at least lol,g lad you can find one though, especially widescreen thats rare. At least they're lagless
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
July 01 2011 18:41 GMT
#17
On July 02 2011 03:32 Inschato wrote:
true black


"True black" is overrated. Unfortunately, many monitor manufacturers do annoying things like put filters on their screens or use electronic means to clamp low signal levels to black, which means that yeah, you get a true black, but you also lose all detail in the dark parts of images.

One critical aspect to a monitor with good color characteristics is to have a smooth (preferably linear) ramp-off at the dark end, but because many consumers would rather have saturated blacks than shadow detail, it can be hard to find that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
July 01 2011 18:51 GMT
#18
Reading this blog, I was under the impression the discussion would focus on what the hell kind of person walks around waving their long dong silver over a CRT monitor, but I guess the technotalk about image quality is more exciting
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 19:01:23
July 01 2011 19:01 GMT
#19
On July 02 2011 03:41 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 03:32 Inschato wrote:
true black


"True black" is overrated. Unfortunately, many monitor manufacturers do annoying things like put filters on their screens or use electronic means to clamp low signal levels to black, which means that yeah, you get a true black, but you also lose all detail in the dark parts of images.

One critical aspect to a monitor with good color characteristics is to have a smooth (preferably linear) ramp-off at the dark end, but because many consumers would rather have saturated blacks than shadow detail, it can be hard to find that.


Agreed, it pains me to see the sharp contrasts of modern LCDs, when you see the abrupt and ugly artificial contrasts as you approach darker colors
Flash Fan!
brazenraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Romania122 Posts
July 01 2011 19:15 GMT
#20
dude, i'm picking one up right now.

only question i have is, how much does it weigh? is it closer to 50 or 100 pounds?
Zerg definitely does have responses to FFs pre-hive tech. Infestors, baneling drops, burrowed roaches, and mutas are all options
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO32 Group D
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
ZZZero.O360
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 262
ProTech135
ROOTCatZ 74
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 360
Britney 234
Artosis 155
NaDa 21
Dota 2
monkeys_forever450
League of Legends
JimRising 406
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King77
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor268
Other Games
gofns13799
summit1g11546
tarik_tv8098
Grubby2743
FrodaN895
Pyrionflax130
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick988
BasetradeTV453
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 42
• Adnapsc2 17
• Hupsaiya 15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4661
Other Games
• imaqtpie1295
• WagamamaTV160
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 43m
Replay Cast
10h 43m
Wardi Open
11h 43m
Afreeca Starleague
11h 43m
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
17h 43m
RSL Revival
1d 3h
GSL
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 11h
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 12h
RSL Revival
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Escore
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Universe Titan Cup
5 days
Rogue vs Percival
Ladder Legends
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Ladder Legends
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.