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TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 21:22:28
June 28 2011 21:13 GMT
#1
This is the current state of balance talk.

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I found this funny while browsing threw the threads.

tl:dr all 5 threads are about ZvP in the circle under stragety discussion.

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Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 21:17:59
June 28 2011 21:17 GMT
#2
I don't get it.

Edit: Oh, didn't see what you circled. I was reading about the maps and was like... What does that have to do with balance?
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TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
June 28 2011 21:21 GMT
#3
I thought it was funny Everyone was talking about ZvP
if you can believe you can concieve
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 21:35:53
June 28 2011 21:35 GMT
#4
How does a small selection of topics in the Strategy forum (NOT a "Balance Forum") all about ZvP have any relation to the state of balance of the game?

Right now I see 4/5 about PvP. Does this have any indication that PvP is unbalanced in favor of Protoss?
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Profile Joined October 2010
United States217 Posts
June 28 2011 21:37 GMT
#5
Is it something to be pointed out? perhaps
Does it suggest anything about balance? No

Currently I see a general Z, ZvT, 2 PvPs, and the Practice Partner Thread
FetusFondler
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States246 Posts
June 28 2011 21:39 GMT
#6
Either I don't get it or I fail to see the funny.
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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
June 28 2011 21:45 GMT
#7
I thought it was pretty funny
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
June 28 2011 21:47 GMT
#8
On June 29 2011 06:35 Hikko wrote:
How does a small selection of topics in the Strategy forum (NOT a "Balance Forum") all about ZvP have any relation to the state of balance of the game?

Right now I see 4/5 about PvP. Does this have any indication that PvP is unbalanced in favor of Protoss?

It is, man, Protoss wins 100% of the time in PvP
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
June 28 2011 22:18 GMT
#9
On June 29 2011 06:47 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 06:35 Hikko wrote:
How does a small selection of topics in the Strategy forum (NOT a "Balance Forum") all about ZvP have any relation to the state of balance of the game?

Right now I see 4/5 about PvP. Does this have any indication that PvP is unbalanced in favor of Protoss?

It is, man, Protoss wins 100% of the time in PvP


Dude I don't know what you're talking about. Every PvP I've seen, the loser has been Protoss. I've never seen a game where the loser wasn't Protoss in PvP. Maybe what you say is the case in whatever league you're in, but up in the higher leagues / pro play, you'll notice that Protoss always manages to lose PvP. It's one of the biggest balance issues to date.
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Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
June 28 2011 22:19 GMT
#10
I thought this was going to be interesting, if not at least amusing. I'm sorry to say I was disappointed on both counts.
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hpty603
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States262 Posts
June 28 2011 22:21 GMT
#11
I thought it was that the point you were trying to make was that all of the comments in the PTR thread were about things other than balance
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
June 28 2011 22:45 GMT
#12
On June 29 2011 07:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 06:47 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On June 29 2011 06:35 Hikko wrote:
How does a small selection of topics in the Strategy forum (NOT a "Balance Forum") all about ZvP have any relation to the state of balance of the game?

Right now I see 4/5 about PvP. Does this have any indication that PvP is unbalanced in favor of Protoss?

It is, man, Protoss wins 100% of the time in PvP


Dude I don't know what you're talking about. Every PvP I've seen, the loser has been Protoss. I've never seen a game where the loser wasn't Protoss in PvP. Maybe what you say is the case in whatever league you're in, but up in the higher leagues / pro play, you'll notice that Protoss always manages to lose PvP. It's one of the biggest balance issues to date.

How do we interpret this evidence D:
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caruso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany733 Posts
June 28 2011 22:54 GMT
#13
On June 29 2011 07:45 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 07:18 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 29 2011 06:47 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On June 29 2011 06:35 Hikko wrote:
How does a small selection of topics in the Strategy forum (NOT a "Balance Forum") all about ZvP have any relation to the state of balance of the game?

Right now I see 4/5 about PvP. Does this have any indication that PvP is unbalanced in favor of Protoss?

It is, man, Protoss wins 100% of the time in PvP


Dude I don't know what you're talking about. Every PvP I've seen, the loser has been Protoss. I've never seen a game where the loser wasn't Protoss in PvP. Maybe what you say is the case in whatever league you're in, but up in the higher leagues / pro play, you'll notice that Protoss always manages to lose PvP. It's one of the biggest balance issues to date.

How do we interpret this evidence D:


Can't argue with statistics.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
June 28 2011 23:00 GMT
#14
It is pvz and zvp... how is that inbalanced?
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TheGiz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada708 Posts
June 29 2011 16:50 GMT
#15
Obviously Blizz needs to understand that Gateway units melt against the Colossus. I'm so sick of losing all my Gateway units to these OP Colossus in PvP. Colossus should be nerfed IMO so Protoss can actually win in PvP.
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