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Scythias
6 Posts
"Totalbiscuit you stole my wimmenz and you tewk mah jerrrrrb But this Sunday at Dreamhack I'm going to teach you that its not okay to mess with I to the DRA This Sunday i'll take you down in a NO HOLDS BARRED STEEL CAGE MATCH OOOOOH YEEEEEEAHHHH" and quite frankly, me gusta. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
BTW OP, I agree with your facts. TB has the training, the history, the voice--but not enough game knowledge  | ||
Chill
Calgary25993 Posts
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AzTec
Canada178 Posts
The reason many pros, casters, and other important community members have stopped posting isn't because of how toxic the community has gotten but because it's incredibly difficult to post on a forum and not reply to ones critics, which is an important trait of the professional. The exception is someone like Husky who gets just as much if not more hate then TB, and yet you never see him wrapped up in such controversies because of the simple reason that he never responds to his critics. He still posts on TL regularly but for most people the temptation of replying to detractors is just too strong. TB either needs to flat out quit posting on forums or stop replying to his critics. No matter how well TB defends himself he still ends up looking like a gigantic moron simply because he replied to such idiotic drivel in the first place. Meanwhile, all the other people who simply don't post win all their arguments by default. You can't lose if you don't play. I don't care about how well TB conducts himself on air, how he conducts himself off air is just as important. | ||
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Chibithor
Brazil514 Posts
I think if TB didn't want the attention he wouldn't respond to any haters. It's fine if he does, but people often praise his professionalism, and when it comes to things like haters he's far from it and seems to be quite petty. Not inviting Idra because of something like that is pretty silly, he's well known for that image and TB should hardly be surprised. But I guess he couldn't just ignore it, even though inviting him would likely boost the number of viewers and ad revenues. I don't like his casting but that's not the problem here, I think. He can keep casting and I can keep watching his non-Starcraft stuff. EDIT: AzTec said it pretty well, and I agree completely. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On June 15 2011 22:57 TotalBiscuit wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 22:45 TuElite wrote: Good riddance and while you're at it please make sure to refrain from applying to league such as IPL in the future, we don't want you there neither. Stay in your own thread ans cast your own tournament/games, everybody wins, somewhat. I'm sorry, but you don't matter and pretending otherwise is your biggest mistake. You can take this "we" shit and shove it up your ass too, oh no, pretentious eSports "fan" doesn't like my casting, as if that is going to affect the hiring decisions of the people who are actually important in keeping the scene going. Plenty of you need to get this into your heads, the people in charge do not give a shit about your dumb opinions and so they shouldn't. They have their metrics, they have actual information, they know who is good for them and who isn't and they will make decisions based on that, not on people whose method of arguing seems to boil down to "u mad?" more often than not. And just to make sure you know how the industry actually works. We don't "apply" to events, they come to us. If that doesn't speak volumes to you then that sounds like a personal problem. Bring on the "you're arrogant" comments that seem to come along every time I tell people how things actually work. If that's the price of being right then so be it. You and people like you are cunts, you are poison within the community and it's a good job that you don't have any influence, otherwise you might do some actual damage to it. Please, slobber all over IdrA's cock because he's so awesome for being honest and speaking the truth and then flame anyone else who does the same you self-righteous, worthless hypocrite. User was temp banned for this post. TB's post number 1337 TB's Tweet about his ban 2-day Temp ban from TL when I reached 1337 posts. Perfect XD Totally deserved it btw, my own fault. http://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/status/81023667454218241 How is it even mathematically possible to not love this guy?  | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
Maybe it's a habit drawn out from WoW where if you protested/whined/petitioned/lobbied enough you could get your way / sway people. Or I guess that's just the internet in general. And I do agree a lot of haters have 0 idea about casting. I recognize a trend, with these people, that player skill = casting skill. It doesn't even matter who. I even saw someone said they'd love to see WhiteRa or MC cast a game (1 barely speaks English, and other even less so). It completely boggles my mind. On June 16 2011 02:41 Ack1027 wrote: The OP is a joke. Replace your 2nd part about tastosis with totalbiscuit and you have the opinion of the vast majority of hardcore sc2ers. Totalbiscuit is terrible, he admits he is terrible and there's some semblance of humilty there. Otherwise it's not *fact* he is the best broadcaster. The worst of the korean bw commentators are leagues ahead of totalbiscuit. Just because he has ten billion wow followers kinda shows you what kinda people like this guy. You are right in that you don't run around yelling about things you don't like but the opposite is true too. If something is inherently good, or as good as you claim [ TB BEST CASTER IN THE WORLD ] then people will come to recognize it. If not, it means you're probably wrong and overrating it. Also please consider that just because some indie developers are stable companies now that TB gave them exposure doesn't mean those games are any good. In fact the vast majority of indie games are crap, that's why they remain so unpopular. There are a few gems, sure, but it sure as hell isn't solely because of TB as you seem to make it. Please stop speaking for me. Thanks. If the SCI was any indicator, plenty of people like him. And I think the point of this blog is call out all the caster bashing. Half of the people in this thread are getting frothed in the mouth at that 1 line. If you don't like the casting. Move along. No one cares. People will vote with their feet. | ||
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Cirrus
United Kingdom134 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:00 Chill wrote: Fact: I love TotalBiscuit the caster and hate TotalBiscuit the poster. This pretty much sums up my feelings exactly. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
Agreed. TotalBiscuit is a great caster and does a lot more for E-Sports than most (or rather: more than almost all) other casters out there. He is the best thing that happened to E-Sports in quite a while and no matter how much you disagree with his casting style, you cannot disagree with his contributions to E-Sports. Now he just needs a thicker hide to not get so annoyed by the haters and start to just not reply to them, otherwise he'll soon be ahead of IdrA in terms of mod history :p | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:04 VIB wrote: TB post that got him banned: TB's post number 1337 TB's Tweet about his ban http://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/status/81023667454218241 How is it even mathematically possible to not love this guy? Holy shit, TB knows how to flame. For me TB is neither the best or worst caster, though he is close to the top. I would probably put him right below Tastosis, djwheat, and day 9. The thing is though, it terms of broadcast professionalism, all of those guys have a TON they could learn from TB, and I would really love to hear a team cast with TB and one of those guys. | ||
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OrderlyChaos
United States1115 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:04 VIB wrote: TB post that got him banned: TB's post number 1337 TB's Tweet about his ban http://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/status/81023667454218241 How is it even mathematically possible to not love this guy? I'll admit that TB sometimes makes me cringe when responds to his haters (generally, I agree with Chill's assessment of TB's forum self vs casting self), but that was a pretty awesome flame. I would argue that TB could learn from Idra in how not to respond to haters, say "fuck the haters" and keep doing what he does. Obviously, the way Idra acts isn't always ideal, but he's one of the few other prominent characters in the esports scene who seems to draw as much controversy as TB (which is why I used him as an example). In the future, I hope he manages to stay calmer, enjoy his fans (me being one of them), and ignore the haters. | ||
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TheAlchemist89
160 Posts
More seriously though.... TB isn't Day9.... he's not Artosis..... he's TB, and he's got a great voice and is able to highlight SC2 action in a really fun way. Not everyone wants super in depth analysis... some folks love high action and hyped voices, some like play-by-plays and others like to learn... and some like a mix of all of the above. Different strokes for different folks I suppose, but TB clearly has talent at what he does. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
The funny thing to me is, he's not even the DJWheat style who goes along with things and asks questions, he is the SOLO caster. The whole thing. A Silver or Gold or whatever shit level he's at player, commentating to us on the best players in the world. How can he possibly give any strategy insight into the minds of players 1000 times better than him? And yes we DO want that because again it's a STRATEGY GAME. We're at a point where people are paying subscriptions to watch Starcraft, a guy who PAYS to watch Starcraft getting TotalBiscuit aurally abusing their ears with his endless torrent of bullshit. There's no excuse for this level of casting at the highest level of Starcraft and frankly it's insulting to anyone who paid money for it ie. the NASL. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
Chill said it best. Except I also dislike his IRC comments. Also posts to reddit. sidenote: on strategic analysis of games, I don't really care if it's omitted but I do care if it's included and incorrect. I'll gladly listen to a pure play-by-play cast, but I will mute anyone spouting nonsense. | ||
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
On June 16 2011 05:00 Chill wrote: Fact: I love TotalBiscuit the caster and hate TotalBiscuit the poster. its nice when you dont have to use own words. thank you. The amount of hate he gates is ridiculous, but I can't help but feel that most of it is due to the fact that he responds and tries to argue with the haters. it just doesnt work. | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
Not saying the casters who almost purely focus on analysis are bad, just that the TL community really needs to understand the value of people like TB, Husky, etc, if they want SC2 to grow more. | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
Yup. Fun caster, a bit of a twit in posts occasionally. | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:15 infinity2k9 wrote: My problem is very fucking simple. Starcraft is a STRATEGY game with many intricacies based on the strategy. TB is such a low-level player of the game he hardly can be thrown into literally the HIGHEST LEVEL tournaments the foreign scene has to offer and that be branded as acceptable because 'Oh well noobs need it'. It's a fucking strategy game tournament with hundreds of thousands on the line, we don't need casting from a guy who is awful, just awful at the game. The funny thing to me is, he's not even the DJWheat style who goes along with things and asks questions, he is the SOLO caster. The whole thing. A Silver or Gold or whatever shit level he's at player, commentating to us on the best players in the world. How can he possibly give any strategy insight into the minds of players 1000 times better than him? And yes we DO want that because again it's a STRATEGY GAME. We're at a point where people are paying subscriptions to watch Starcraft, a guy who PAYS to watch Starcraft getting TotalBiscuit aurally abusing their ears with his endless torrent of bullshit. There's no excuse for this level of casting at the highest level of Starcraft and frankly it's insulting to anyone who paid money for it ie. the NASL. I'm not sure about this, since TB almost never try to make any analysis, just pure play-by-play, and well, there are other casters.Sure, you paid for something and you don't like it, but for some reason, with TB people start insulting him since we are on the land of trolls, the internet, and TB for some reason reply them, making everything worse. And i don't understand how people can't enjoy some non-overanalitycal SC2 casts sometimes, you know, after a long day of work, when you just want to watch something without trying to copy your new BO from X player. | ||
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Techno
1900 Posts
On June 16 2011 02:31 shindigs wrote: The SC2 scene is turning into some warped hipster scene that compares taste in casters to validate their opinions. "You listen to TB? Yeah he's alright if you like unanalytical mainstream stuff." Get a clue and focus on the players/games. Oh the irony. "Your writing a blog on TB? Yea that's alright if your some warped hipster" | ||
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