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QuanticHawk
United States32132 Posts
On June 13 2011 22:44 hazelynut wrote: it feels like the loudest voice in slut-shaming are women too  the ret thing sure ain't slut shaming. if a dude booked on his gf and lied to her for some female progamer, there'd be similar outrage. | ||
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
On June 13 2011 22:44 hazelynut wrote: it feels like the loudest voice in slut-shaming are women too I agree. Too many people try to jump in on an argument that is already WAY past topic and try to be the good and noble voice of reason. Appreciated? Yes. Necessary? In a thread like that it's best left for the moderators... Just as a general observation, our gender doesn't matter for the purpose of this forum or laddering in general. Unless we're in the same room, we're not so much people as actions, voices, and words on a computer screen. My point is that our gender is about as important as our eye color - it's irrelevant for most starcraft media. Keep in mind that I said MOST since it's pretty obvious when listening to a female caster or someone gives their gender to give credence to some gender-based claim (like we see in girl blogs amongst others). At that point it becomes relevant, but it doesn't make the opinion better than anyone else's. If some girl wants to hijack a situation "because I have boobs" then they're better off hanging out with immature high schoolers. If the children want to run their mouths off about Joe Progamer's girlfriend or girl-thing then there's nothing WE can really do, but the moderators are adept at laying the smack down! | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On June 13 2011 20:26 Liquid`Drone wrote: I agree with you and it's really stupid. we, as guys, who generally want to have sex with girls, should be encouraging of girls who have lots of sex because it increases the likelyhood of us having sex. in addition, looking past the whole "well fuck her for having sex with someone else", you have the issue of inconsistency - guys in their teens or whatever who are negative towards female promiscuity, also tend to be the same group of guys who encourage male promiscuitiy. it's all really dumb and inconsistent. I always found the idea that men are horny assholes who think only with their dicks incredibly offensive. I think the only reason anyone is like that is because of cultural conditioning. If I had to guess, though, one reason monogamy might be a more attractive feature to men than to women is that if a girl gets pregnant, the guy would really like to know that it's his child he's going to raise, not some other asshole's genes. If a girl sleeps around that's sometimes difficult to say confidently. From the girls perspective, a guy who sleeps around might not be devoted to her and helping her raise the baby. Therefore monogamy is useful (even discounting what we know about STDs and the like). For me personally, being special and sharing myself with only the person I am in a relationship with is important to my dignity and self-esteem, but perhaps that's uncommon  My point is that our gender is about as important as our eye color - it's irrelevant for most starcraft media. That's really not true. Maybe it doesn't affect a person's ability to play this game well, but in terms of conversing, the norms expected of you in real life based on your gender are going to carry over to text. You really have to purposefully invent an asexual personality if you want to hide your gender (or act like the opposite sex). Even though I have a somewhat effeminate personality, people usually just think I have a sister or something. | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On June 13 2011 20:26 Liquid`Drone wrote: I agree with you and it's really stupid. we, as guys, who generally want to have sex with girls, should be encouraging of girls who have lots of sex because it increases the likelyhood of us having sex. in addition, looking past the whole "well fuck her for having sex with someone else", you have the issue of inconsistency - guys in their teens or whatever who are negative towards female promiscuity, also tend to be the same group of guys who encourage male promiscuitiy. it's all really dumb and inconsistent. Its totally consistent. I want girls to be less promiscuous so that when I sleep with all of them, they haven't already slept with everyone on the block. Hence the discouragement of them sleeping with lots of people. Quality becomes more important if you already have quantity. Or, at least thats one angle you could use to reconcile the inconsistency you mentioned. | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
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jakechen
United States17 Posts
On June 13 2011 20:37 turdburgler wrote: what people have a problem with, and sometimes express in a very rude way, is when a girl comes into a male dominated community and the first thing out of their mouth is 'look at me im a girl SO WHAT'. If a girl player wants to be taken seriously she needs to never mention her boobs, the same way men dont mention their penis. just play like everyone else, working up the ladder, taking part in events, or winning tourneys. its all good and any girl who does that gets the respect of most people, they dont get it by being out and proud. Thought your post was thoughtful, but the bolded bit really stood out to me. I don't think I would have even noticed if it weren't for the context. One of my buddies who has been on this site much longer than me, and introduced me to all things starcraft, recommended that I read InControl's blogs (in addition to other stuff) to get some classic TL-culture highlights. Now, I'm not hating on InControl for this-- his blogs are hilarious-- but that dude talks about his penis A LOT. Just throwing that out there as a counter example. None of the replies on his posts led me to believe that people were taking him less seriously for discussing his body, nor were they reacting as though he was man-whoring for attention. It was just... funny! And I think that's how it was intended. But if a girl did that... even a thoughtful individual like yourself would have the reaction (my interpretation- feel free to correct me): "why is she throwing it in my face that she's a GIRL? how can I take her seriously if she doesn't act professionally? I'm here to appreciate people for their game, not for their identity/culture/body!" It's just... I think even that mind-set has the potential for some serious double standards. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
to elaborate a bit on that: this is a community made of nerds and geeks and maniacs, specifically when it comes to starcraft. if you (as a girl) come in and say, "hey all of you are guys, so since i'm a girl i deserve your attention" then you don't deserve anything but rejection. if you, however, come in and say, "wow this is really awesome, i want to contribute to this awesome community and be a nerd too" and you don't base that on your gender but only on a shared interest (starcraft) then people will respect and value that, and rightfully so. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
On June 15 2011 00:42 drooL wrote: girls who get into the community and act all attention-whore-y or try to tell everyone that they are "A GIRL GAMER, SO WHAT??" recieve a lot of criticism/flak/hate and in my opinion (and obviously just to a certain extent) rightfully so. Attention whores are the first to scout new territory for their attention whoring. But the friends and younger sisters of the female attention whore, upon being informed by the attention whore of the possibilities of attention whoring on this community platform, start to check out the platform and may begin to feel eager to actually contribute and devote some time to play the game and become gosu even. It's obvious that playing starcraft is not on the regular agenda of a would be gosu female player, because she probably never heard of the game, and by insulting and degrading attention whores it's likely thtt they loose interest in attention whoring so quickly that they don't get the chance to passively inform the would-be gosu lady of the awesomeness of the game. So I suggest we regard females much muuUUcH mUUCHH more highly than male members, regardless of their attention whoring. My opinion | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
We're all fucking gamers, last time I checked. I used to LARP, and females there were, if treated differently at all, revered, for keeping the stigma away and bringing something attractive to games. My wife is a geek, she works in IT, she does computers, we play Killing Floor on Steam or SC2 after our son goes to bed most nights. She doesn't game for attention, she doesn't like PC's because it's different, she just likes the stuff. Maybe if people stop differentiating between "male gamer" and "Female gamer" and just call it "gamer", the world would be a better place? | ||
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Ravencruiser
Canada519 Posts
Edit: lol nvm reading fail. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
What I don't really like is that you call them "female pros" when none of them even compete in real events. Those girl only tournaments are great entry points for them but I am no more a pro for playing in TL Opens. Yet there's a bunch of guys who will line up and act like they just took down MLG and give them interviews etc, accuse everyone else of not being supportive, call them "female pros" in their white knight blogs and what have you. I think people like that are a big reason for why some of them are given a hard time. You like to pretend they are something they are not, don your brilliant white armor and demand that they be accepted as professionals when they simply aren't. Whether it's because you are that desperate for the acknowledgement of an internet girl them or if you think you are really doing them a favor through it all I don't know. There's a middle ground, acknowledge their accomplishments for what they are, don't harass them like a child, and just act fucking normal. | ||
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
On June 13 2011 20:22 Bosscelot wrote: The girl who kissed Ret and Catz was cheating on her boyfriend. Idra's GF seemingly broke up with her old BF just to latch onto him. That's why people call them 'groupie whores'. I'm surprised no one mentioned this post. The only reason we heard about the girl who kissed Ret and Catz was from her boyfriend who she cheated on. I would call ANYONE who cheats a whore. I'm fine with IdrA's girlfriend though. Seems like a nice person. | ||
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Asrathiel
Australia377 Posts
On June 14 2011 23:57 FourFace wrote: Chicks who take the slightest interest in starcraft should be carried everywhere. I mean a permanent group of carriers consisting of TL members .. so the chicks don't have to make the effort to go somewhere by foot. They should receive pay pal donations. It's such a nice thing to have girls playing this game and if she is actually good .. omg and good looking .. oohHH babbay Bwahahahahahaha! That's an interesting image | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On June 14 2011 05:47 jakechen wrote: Thought your post was thoughtful, but the bolded bit really stood out to me. I don't think I would have even noticed if it weren't for the context. One of my buddies who has been on this site much longer than me, and introduced me to all things starcraft, recommended that I read InControl's blogs (in addition to other stuff) to get some classic TL-culture highlights. Now, I'm not hating on InControl for this-- his blogs are hilarious-- but that dude talks about his penis A LOT. Just throwing that out there as a counter example. None of the replies on his posts led me to believe that people were taking him less seriously for discussing his body, nor were they reacting as though he was man-whoring for attention. It was just... funny! And I think that's how it was intended. But if a girl did that... even a thoughtful individual like yourself would have the reaction (my interpretation- feel free to correct me): "why is she throwing it in my face that she's a GIRL? how can I take her seriously if she doesn't act professionally? I'm here to appreciate people for their game, not for their identity/culture/body!" It's just... I think even that mind-set has the potential for some serious double standards. I see this and I can only think of Day9's masturbation story. In the end, society simply has problems with openly discussing female sexuality which don't exist with males. I don't like it, but it's not just TL.net and relatively speaking there are bigger problems out there. It is what it is. | ||
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Asrathiel
Australia377 Posts
Agreed. It's not just TL, it's not just the gaming community, it's not just the internet... it is all of society. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Asrathiel
Australia377 Posts
On June 22 2011 10:27 Whole wrote: im just mad because i will not be able to fuck idra myself Aww, have you asked him? You never know  | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
I was too afraid to say that I was his #1 Fan and that I made his list of quotes when I met him in the elevator at MLG Dallas 2010.Here is the blog if you are interested. | ||
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palanq
United States761 Posts
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