• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:48
CEST 09:48
KST 16:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon100Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Yamato Cup Series StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall KSL Week #92
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot Man Bnet can't even load profile now, WTF Syncronization issues and can't find games New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D [BSL23] SM: Ret vs TerrOr - bo7 - Sunday 9pm CEST [ASL22] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9052 users

Replays and analysis: Learning from Idra at MLG

Blogs > Havefa1th
Post a Reply
Havefa1th
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
June 04 2011 08:44 GMT
#1
NOTE: This blog contains spoilers from the first day of matches of MLG Columbus. As of writing this, replays are available, so these can be watched.

Every Zerg player in the world should strive to be like Idra right now. No one can deny that he's been on a tear; apart from the few recent mirror loses in the NASL and the occasional EG Master's Cup mishaps, Idra has shown, from MLG to NASL to IPL, that he is the best foreign player in the world right now. After dominating this first day of matches by going 3-0 in the toughest group of the tournament, it's hard to turn a cold shoulder to our lovable, asshole hero-Zerg.

The greatest thing about his play is that everyone can learn from him. After watching the replays, here are three things I found that make Grack good, and can make you good as well:

1) Macro
Everyone knows that macro is the first part of being a good Starcraft player, but in Idra's case, his macro is his cornerstone. No supply shall be blocked, no larva shall be left sitting and no resource shall be pooling, however, it goes further than that for him. Looking specifically at game 2 against MC, Idra ended up with a failed roach/ling aggression around the with minimal forces after droning.

[image loading]
With all your lings occupied with a runby at his natural and 4 spine crawlers and 5 roaches in production, could you defend against this with the resources available in the screenshot AND come out ahead? Idra did.

Idra knows his macro is spot-on, so he can afford to be aggressive. Knowing that he can gather the resources to hold off any counter-push that could happen as a result of aggression is a safety-net that can remove your doubts in a game. By playing defensively in the early game and perfecting your technique, you can afford to be a stronger, more aggressive player, and there is nothing but good things that can come from that.

2) Overcoming Disabilities
Let's face it: Hydralisks in BW were BOSS. They melted gateway units, could become lurkers, were fast, spit acid and weren't afraid of anything. In SC2, they're rarely used because they just don't fit in with the rest of the Zerg army: they're slow and they die if you sneeze on them too hard. Idra decided he was going to use them anyway, and he used them effectively by simply overcoming their disabilities WHILE abusing MC's sim-city: drops. To be honest, Idra lost a fleet and a half of overlords in game 1 of the series and a lot of drops were unsuccessful. These two weren't.

[image loading]
MC walled off his third's back entrance with cannons and the front of his natural with gateways and pylons. Elevator-ing his units into MC's main prevented direct contact with the deathball, bypassed sim-city defenses AND required all MC's stalkers to run ALL the way around his natural's Nexus to defend. Oh yeah, and check his MC's third: Idra's dropping there too.

By dropping, Idra improved his positioning . By splitting up his bulky forces and getting them away from easily forcefield-able chokepoints, Idra bypassed the Hydra's lack of mobility and "hit 'em where they aint." You don't need a unique build or unit composition to the deathball, you just gotta figure out what your units are bad at and fix it, while figuring out what their units are bad at and abusing it. Most players drop for surprise, but consider the fact that dropping allows you to be where they aren't (even if they know it's coming), and that 99% of the time works out in your favor.

3) Being Comfortable in the Game
If you ever watch Idra stream, you know what I'm talking about: it's like he's conducting music. I'm not talking about first-person views of replays, no, his mouse cursor is as much a Swarm's Baton at it is anything else. Idra is obviously comfortable when he streams ladder games, and that comes not from experience, but from fundamentals. By knowing where your opponent stands, where you stand and where you want to go, you have no reason to sweat or get flustered. Even if you aren't doing a composition you're experience with, find some way to make yourself comfortable in the game. Scout, transition, expand, poke, anything to get yourself in the mindset of being comfortable in your play. From there, play becomes easier and you perform better.

These are my 3 cents per-say, and something people should think about beyond "my natural should have been 2 minutes quicker" when they're trying to improve. Love to hear some feedback or stuff you don't agree with, I love to debate this kinda stuff.

Eager to see more great games this weekend!

****
"Apparently I just needed to play the way I did... and realize he killed his own command center." - Idra
Axel777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States9 Posts
June 05 2011 17:53 GMT
#2
thanks alot! really helped me out
"live moves pretty fast, if you dont stop and look around once in a while you could miss it"- Ferris bueller
enigamI
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada385 Posts
June 09 2011 22:20 GMT
#3
Fun read, informative too. Thanks
fatum
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Spain83 Posts
June 09 2011 23:27 GMT
#4
[...] anything to get yourself in the mindset of being comfortable in your play. From there, play becomes easier and you perform better.

My feedback is that I loved this part.
The game is young, so people havent realised yet that, as humans, psycology is the most important part of anything we do.

I allways say that mindset is the only real difference between top10 and top100, but people tend to ignore me when I say it
Aim to climb as high as you can dream.
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
June 09 2011 23:29 GMT
#5
idk if this is good or not because idra is pro and he does it, but I think he should probably not prematurely gg. Even if he has good reason for it, the image that comes into my head when that happens is two people, guys or girls. And one of them prematurely ejaculates
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
Havefa1th
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
June 10 2011 05:41 GMT
#6
On June 10 2011 08:27 fatum wrote:
Show nested quote +
[...] anything to get yourself in the mindset of being comfortable in your play. From there, play becomes easier and you perform better.

My feedback is that I loved this part.
The game is young, so people havent realised yet that, as humans, psycology is the most important part of anything we do.

I allways say that mindset is the only real difference between top10 and top100, but people tend to ignore me when I say it

I completely agree with you! When you're comfortable, the little things things that muscle memory has slammed home becomes easy and almost second nature, allowing you to focus on other things in the game. I feel that Idra lost the second series to MC not because he was the worse player, but because he wasn't mentally comfortable after the MMA games. Whether he admits it or not, knowing that you could have won an important game that you lost is damaging to the psyche. When Idra is mentally there and on the top of his game, he's one of the best players in the world.

Thanks for your feedback!


On June 10 2011 08:29 Br3ezy wrote:
idk if this is good or not because idra is pro and he does it, but I think he should probably not prematurely gg. Even if he has good reason for it, the image that comes into my head when that happens is two people, guys or girls. And one of them prematurely ejaculates

To put this to rest, put yourself in Idra's shoes: The last he had seen of MMA's third base was the CC in MMA's main (the one MMA eventually killed). He didn't see the CC being killed, he only saw it in construction at the gold base. If you were Idra, the logic behind his thinking is that MMA is on 3 bases and building his 4th, combined with a drop and misclicked drones at his (Idra's) 4th, Idra, didn't think that he was ahead because he had no way of knowing the CC had been killed.

It's easy to be an armchair critic.

BESIDES: this blog was written on Friday night/Saturday morning and focused really only on Idra vs. MC, the first set. Irrelevant to his later play.
"Apparently I just needed to play the way I did... and realize he killed his own command center." - Idra
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
June 10 2011 12:32 GMT
#7
Idra has a notorious reputation for tapping out before he's dead. Im just saying instead of doing that why not give it your all?
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
Havefa1th
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
June 10 2011 19:24 GMT
#8
If Idra doesn't think he can win, he's not going to play. It's just part of his personality.
"Apparently I just needed to play the way I did... and realize he killed his own command center." - Idra
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 12m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18932
Larva 429
Leta 245
Aegong 25
Dewaltoss 9
Dota 2
Gorgc3326
League of Legends
Reynor117
Other Games
summit1g12707
JimRising 538
PiGStarcraft332
XaKoH 203
crisheroes125
Mew2King77
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream5795
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream2722
Other Games
gamesdonequick1008
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH234
• Letter142
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2355
Upcoming Events
GSL
3h 12m
AI Arena Tournament
9h 12m
Replay Cast
16h 12m
GSL
1d 3h
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
1d 7h
Spirit vs Mixu
BSL
1d 11h
Ret vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.