Hi TL, this is my first time doing a girl blog so bare with me please! I'm a 19 year old male with not that much experience with the ladies. I have trouble with thinking of things to say, and getting the guts to talk to them. Now onto the story.
So I was checking into my local gym today like usual, and I was wearing my Half-Life 2 lambda shirt. The girl at the counter complimented my shirt and I thanked her and walked off to the locker room. I was instantly startled that she recognized my shirt, since I dont know any girl gamers in real life. She was not a bad looking girl either, she had to be around 18-20 years old, white, curvy figure but by no means fat, almost the perfect girl in my eyes. Anyway so after my workout im dedicated to talking to her again, and notice she is working the smoothie bar now. I end up ordering a $5 smoothie to talk to her some more, we start talking about valve games and how she recently got started gaming again since playing her n64 as a kid. The whole time we were talking she was slightly fidgeting and playing with a spoon, while kind of looking down, is this a good thing? After our conversation I said see you soon and left. Didn't get a name or a number.
Now the thing is, I go to this gym everyday and im bound to see her again, what should I do to make this work? I can get overly shy, and overly excited about these kind of things and build it up a bit in my head. We talked a bit about Portal and stuff so I was thinking about wearing my Portal 2 shirt to strike up another conversation. How can I make this work TL, I NEED YOUR HELP!
Thanks in advance, Artemis
Update 6/5: Saw her again this morning, said hi on my way in she commented on my portal 2 shirt again, I only said thanks as I walked away . After I got a smoothie from here again, and only said hi, my order, and thank you, then walked out. God damn it. I also noticed her looking at me from the reception desk as I was working out (is that good?). Next time I HAVE to talk to her more, get her name, AND ask her out for coffee or w/e.
Just go up and talk to her. Nothing fancy. Don't read too much into everything. If you have a plan for a date, and just talk to her you may get shy trying to ask her out, but you will have no option but to ask her. Good luck
On June 03 2011 14:25 obesechicken13 wrote: Just go up and talk to her. Nothing fancy. Don't read too much into everything. If you have a plan for a date, and just talk to her you may get shy trying to ask her out, but you will have no option but to ask her. Good luck
Isnt that kind of creepy on my part though? We've only met once and im going to ask her out, what if she gets scared away? How long should I wait before asking her?
I don't really see the problem. You talked, have stuff in common, will meet again. You don't need to find some random reason to talk again, just walk up and say hi.
Oh and for F*CKS sake do NOT and I mean DO NOT, try to talk after your session unless you have had a major shower and deo. You may think you look good all sweaty and what not (I know it's illogical but it happens) but you don't. You stink...
All in all you seem to have an easy way to start a conversation, and she seems interested in you. I would suggest, popping in saying hi and asking if she is free after work sometime?
On June 03 2011 14:25 obesechicken13 wrote: Just go up and talk to her. Nothing fancy. Don't read too much into everything. If you have a plan for a date, and just talk to her you may get shy trying to ask her out, but you will have no option but to ask her. Good luck
Isnt that kind of creepy on my part though? We've only met once and im going to ask her out, what if she gets scared away? How long should I wait before asking her?
If you are worried about this. Take your time. Have a few random conversations, get to know each other first. At least at the gym you both have an excuse for short conversations.
The whole time we were talking she was slightly fidgeting and playing with a spoon, while kind of looking down, is this a good thing?
I'm not one to pick up on these things, so I tend to pass it off as something not to consider valid. Of course, I'm very likely wrong and any romantic will say that she's shy around you, yet has a slight interest in you (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Here's what you do, there's two ways to do this: 1. Wear your Portal 2 shirt, strike up a conversation about it and feign ignorance. Claim you've yet to do the co-op portion of the game, she'll respond in two ways: 1. She will just generally beg you to do it because it's pure fun or 2. Volunteer to play with you and that will be your ticket (phone number to text so you can tell her when you're "available" to play, name, and obviously whatever gamer info. needed to play).
If you're feeling confident: Claim the same thing, but say that you haven't played the co-op portion of it because you have no one to play with. If she doesn't take the bait, then you'll have to be less subtle and outright straight-forward.
On June 03 2011 14:25 obesechicken13 wrote: Just go up and talk to her. Nothing fancy. Don't read too much into everything. If you have a plan for a date, and just talk to her you may get shy trying to ask her out, but you will have no option but to ask her. Good luck
Isnt that kind of creepy on my part though? We've only met once and im going to ask her out, what if she gets scared away? How long should I wait before asking her?
Not really creepy...unless you make it creepy, haha. Just find out when she gets off work, see if she wants to hang out or do something.
Or, since you guys talked about valve games - here's a good icebreaker... ask her if she's got Portal 2, and if she does, ask if she has done the co-op stuff yet.
Yes: Portal 2 discussion No: Play the co-op with her.
Trust me, the more you think about it, the more crazy it's going to feel, and the worse off you'll end up being. Just take it one step at a time, you're not disarming a bomb.
For stealing my idea, I am quoting this typo of yours.
On June 03 2011 14:28 Torte de Lini wrote: (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Ok thanks guys, going to try out some of these tips if shes there tomorrow morning. Also I have a bad habit of getting into the friend zone, and im worried that if I ask her to play the portal 2 co-op it will be more of a friend zone thing then a relationship.
Also I cant tell if she was just being nice by saying nice shirt or if she was really interested in me, will it make a difference if I try to continue talking to her, or will she just try to pass me off as another guy trying to hook up with her?
On June 03 2011 14:34 Artemis wrote: Ok thanks guys, going to try out some of these tips if shes there tomorrow morning. Also I have a bad habit of getting into the friend zone, and im worried that if I ask her to play the portal 2 co-op it will be more of a friend zone thing then a relationship.
How about you let her do the deciding then?
Just see if she wants to hang out. Find out what she likes? Go from there. You're better off flying blind then trying to plan some elaborate scheme. Someday you will have to stop scheming and that is hard! You sound like a nice guy, try to relax and realise that in ten years you will either laugh at yourself or be so thankful you took the plunge.
On June 03 2011 14:28 Torte de Lini wrote: (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Hm....
1. Get in line, I ninja a lot unfortunately. 2. Hey, wanna co-op on Portal 2? I just got the game and feel compelled to flex my mental capacity after coming out of the gym; a showcase of my need to improve my flex of my physical capacity. 3. I'm reporting you for double-posting like a noob.
On June 03 2011 14:34 Artemis wrote: Ok thanks guys, going to try out some of these tips if shes there tomorrow morning. Also I have a bad habit of getting into the friend zone, and im worried that if I ask her to play the portal 2 co-op it will be more of a friend zone thing then a relationship.
Also I cant tell if she was just being nice by saying nice shirt or if she was really interested in me, will it make a difference if I try to continue talking to her, or will she just try to pass me off as another guy trying to hook up with her?
Well... you did wear the Half-Life 2 shirt, it's kind of expected. What kind of woman wouldn't swoon seeing that?
Fuck myself, I double-posted. Disregard above Torenhire.
On June 03 2011 14:39 Torenhire wrote: We shall call it a draw, then.
o_q hoyes, hoyes.
Hm... deal. I really want your icon though ):
Good luck dude, you don't really need it. You already have something other guys don't: video-games and the need to emphasize your physical capabilities.
On June 03 2011 14:40 Torte de Lini wrote: Good luck dude, you don't really need it. You already have something other guys don't: video-games and the need to emphasize your physical capabilities.
Hm...
you might need a third skill actually.
A tendency to over-analyse?
Pretty common skill among intelligent single men, but still combined with the previous two make come in handy.
On June 03 2011 14:43 Artemis wrote: Thanks guys really appreciate all the help! I'll try to update this tomorrow, or whenever I talk to her next on what happens.
On June 03 2011 14:40 Torte de Lini wrote: Good luck dude, you don't really need it. You already have something other guys don't: video-games and the need to emphasize your physical capabilities.
Hm...
you might need a third skill actually.
A tendency to over-analyse?
Pretty common skill among intelligent single men, but still combined with the previous two make come in handy.
Wit, charm, great smile. Any effect that creates a halo-effect. I mean, he works out and plays video-games, so two traits that she'll come to assume has the same general taste in music and the same educational background (college level about). So intelligence and taste in music are in check.
With wit, charm or great smile, he can stretch the idea of being a sensitive person with particular writing skills.
Tomorrow, bring a bag of grapes. When you see her, start tossing grapes at her. If she starts picking them up and eating them, she must be hungry, so be like "Hey, let's go get lunch!" If she doesn't pick them up and eat them, then it will turn into a grape fight, and there's nothing more romantic than two people chucking grapes at each other.
On June 03 2011 14:40 Torte de Lini wrote: Good luck dude, you don't really need it. You already have something other guys don't: video-games and the need to emphasize your physical capabilities.
Hm...
you might need a third skill actually.
A tendency to over-analyse?
Pretty common skill among intelligent single men, but still combined with the previous two make come in handy.
Wit, charm, great smile. Any effect that creates a halo-effect. I mean, he works out and plays video-games, so two traits that she'll come to assume has the same general taste in music and the same educational background (college level about). So intelligence and taste in music are in check.
With wit, charm or great smile, he can stretch the idea of being a sensitive person with particular writing skills.
Man this blog is such a hand-holding-kumbaya-singing-lovefest that it needs some rainbow sheep
Being witty and charming is not the easiest thing. In fact I come off as a dumbass most times I try. My curse. However it does get the girls laughing...
BTW does artemis also have a fondness for round-shaped food items and roosting fowl?
On June 03 2011 14:40 Torte de Lini wrote: Good luck dude, you don't really need it. You already have something other guys don't: video-games and the need to emphasize your physical capabilities.
Hm...
you might need a third skill actually.
A tendency to over-analyse?
Pretty common skill among intelligent single men, but still combined with the previous two make come in handy.
Wit, charm, great smile. Any effect that creates a halo-effect. I mean, he works out and plays video-games, so two traits that she'll come to assume has the same general taste in music and the same educational background (college level about). So intelligence and taste in music are in check.
With wit, charm or great smile, he can stretch the idea of being a sensitive person with particular writing skills.
Man this blog is such a hand-holding-kumbaya-singing-lovefest that it needs some rainbow sheep
Being witty and charming is not the easiest thing. In fact I come off as a dumbass most times I try. My curse. However it does get the girls laughing...
BTW does artemis also have a fondness for round-shaped food items and roosting fowl?
Try Scientology, guaranteed to make you sound witty and maintain that "dumbass" aspect you fondly title yourself with (though I am lead to disagree).
My only wit is underlining how awkward a potential situation is (by maintaining the fast pace of my speech, similar to a neurotic Woody Allen [so basically any character he plays]) and that either obliges the girl to tone down the whole scenario with sympathy or laugh incessantly at my sincere smile and arch eyebrows in a wild attempt to falsely compose myself.
Unfortunately, no icing of coitus to finish the mood.
On June 03 2011 14:40 Torte de Lini wrote: Good luck dude, you don't really need it. You already have something other guys don't: video-games and the need to emphasize your physical capabilities.
Hm...
you might need a third skill actually.
A tendency to over-analyse?
Pretty common skill among intelligent single men, but still combined with the previous two make come in handy.
Wit, charm, great smile. Any effect that creates a halo-effect. I mean, he works out and plays video-games, so two traits that she'll come to assume has the same general taste in music and the same educational background (college level about). So intelligence and taste in music are in check.
With wit, charm or great smile, he can stretch the idea of being a sensitive person with particular writing skills.
Man this blog is such a hand-holding-kumbaya-singing-lovefest that it needs some rainbow sheep
Being witty and charming is not the easiest thing. In fact I come off as a dumbass most times I try. My curse. However it does get the girls laughing...
BTW does artemis also have a fondness for round-shaped food items and roosting fowl?
Try Scientology, guaranteed to make you sound witty and maintain that "dumbass" aspect you fondly title yourself with (though I am lead to disagree).
My only wit is underlining how awkward a potential situation is (by maintaining the fast pace of my speech, similar to a neurotic Woody Allen [so basically any character he plays]) and that either obliges the girl to tone down the whole scenario with sympathy or laugh incessantly at my sincere smile and arch eyebrows in a wild attempt to falsely compose myself.
Unfortunately, no icing of coitus to finish the mood.
Interesting theory. I'm not sure I follow
Akwardness -> Sympathy/Laughter -> Fail coitus?
I think Ray may be on to something. Violence is generally the answer to everything. Especially dating.
Oh and I am not a dumbass, no I think that I have a fairly intelligent rear-end. Rather I sound like I am talking out of said end when I try to sound witty.
On April 29 2011 03:09 heyoka wrote: no no no, I saw someone do this in person yesterday and it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
What you do is hand her a library card and say "do you take these?" and then when she looks confused you pull out "CUZ I'VE BEEN CHECKING YOU OUT". It should be easy from there, in fact you will probably have to tell her to back off because she won't leave you alone for the rest of the semester.
The whole time we were talking she was slightly fidgeting and playing with a spoon, while kind of looking down, is this a good thing?
I'm not one to pick up on these things, so I tend to pass it off as something not to consider valid. Of course, I'm very likely wrong and any romantic will say that she's shy around you, yet has a slight interest in you (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Here's what you do, there's two ways to do this: 1. Wear your Portal 2 shirt, strike up a conversation about it and feign ignorance. Claim you've yet to do the co-op portion of the game, she'll respond in two ways: 1. She will just generally beg you to do it because it's pure fun or 2. Volunteer to play with you and that will be your ticket (phone number to text so you can tell her when you're "available" to play, name, and obviously whatever gamer info. needed to play).
If you're feeling confident: Claim the same thing, but say that you haven't played the co-op portion of it because you have no one to play with. If she doesn't take the bait, then you'll have to be less subtle and outright straight-forward.
I seriously think this is the best advice.
Pretend you've never played the Co-op then see how she responds
On June 03 2011 14:48 Chairman Ray wrote: Dating advise Ray on the scene
Tomorrow, bring a bag of grapes. When you see her, start tossing grapes at her. If she starts picking them up and eating them, she must be hungry, so be like "Hey, let's go get lunch!" If she doesn't pick them up and eat them, then it will turn into a grape fight, and there's nothing more romantic than two people chucking grapes at each other.
You're welcome.
LOL, like a boss.
@op - Outside of this possibly not being the best place to ask for advice on such a matter I may be able to offer some advice on your shyness issue in approaching / furthering your relationship with said girl. In line with the 'nothing ventured nothing gained' philosophy I go a little step further and forcibly convince myself that the outcome of said venture is entirely irrelevant because in all likelihood a similar (or possibly greater) opportunity will arise at some point. Although this may not be entirely true or you may not feel that way at the time, just go out of your way to convince yourself of it somehow - even if only temporarily, I personally found it to be the best way to reduce nerves / shyness. Also when you do talk to her again, or ask her out, remember that although confidence is good, over-confidence and cockiness is extremely bad so try to keep that in mind when balancing how you act / converse
good thing she was looking down & fiddling. next time ask her for your smoothie, then also "and give me your number too." if she gets confused and thns you mean #2, say "give me your phone" then call yourself on her phone.
next scout out a nice shop-filed street with lots of things to do. then invite her to go shoppin w you and start at the start of the shops, start playin the "favorite" game. favorite food favorite article of clothing favorite stuff, tailored to shops. set the first one up easy then you answer too (favorite food,) next time shell expect an answer then ask something she'll want to know answe for (fav game) but then don't answer and leave a little pause she can jump in on.
im micromanaging you, yo dont gotta do what i say. if you have the balls to move forward your own way you can igrnnore everything i say. remmber
1 contact info 2 do something together 3 imply your intentions 4 dont act on them, let the tension build 5 end up in a nice place and kiss her 6 next date and go forward more
remember, doesnt matter what you do. matters if your decisive
On June 03 2011 14:40 Torte de Lini wrote: Good luck dude, you don't really need it. You already have something other guys don't: video-games and the need to emphasize your physical capabilities.
Hm...
you might need a third skill actually.
A tendency to over-analyse?
Pretty common skill among intelligent single men, but still combined with the previous two make come in handy.
Wit, charm, great smile. Any effect that creates a halo-effect. I mean, he works out and plays video-games, so two traits that she'll come to assume has the same general taste in music and the same educational background (college level about). So intelligence and taste in music are in check.
With wit, charm or great smile, he can stretch the idea of being a sensitive person with particular writing skills.
Man this blog is such a hand-holding-kumbaya-singing-lovefest that it needs some rainbow sheep
Being witty and charming is not the easiest thing. In fact I come off as a dumbass most times I try. My curse. However it does get the girls laughing...
BTW does artemis also have a fondness for round-shaped food items and roosting fowl?
Try Scientology, guaranteed to make you sound witty and maintain that "dumbass" aspect you fondly title yourself with (though I am lead to disagree).
My only wit is underlining how awkward a potential situation is (by maintaining the fast pace of my speech, similar to a neurotic Woody Allen [so basically any character he plays]) and that either obliges the girl to tone down the whole scenario with sympathy or laugh incessantly at my sincere smile and arch eyebrows in a wild attempt to falsely compose myself.
Unfortunately, no icing of coitus to finish the mood.
Interesting theory. I'm not sure I follow
Akwardness -> Sympathy/Laughter -> Fail coitus?
I think Ray may be on to something. Violence is generally the answer to everything. Especially dating.
Oh and I am not a dumbass, no I think that I have a fairly intelligent rear-end. Rather I sound like I am talking out of said end when I try to sound witty.
Anyway we seem to have drifted
I like to talk out of my ass too all the time, guess we're like two penises in a pod. Or something to that effect that isn't sexually explicit and obviously poorly joshed about.
The whole time we were talking she was slightly fidgeting and playing with a spoon, while kind of looking down, is this a good thing?
I'm not one to pick up on these things, so I tend to pass it off as something not to consider valid. Of course, I'm very likely wrong and any romantic will say that she's shy around you, yet has a slight interest in you (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Here's what you do, there's two ways to do this: 1. Wear your Portal 2 shirt, strike up a conversation about it and feign ignorance. Claim you've yet to do the co-op portion of the game, she'll respond in two ways: 1. She will just generally beg you to do it because it's pure fun or 2. Volunteer to play with you and that will be your ticket (phone number to text so you can tell her when you're "available" to play, name, and obviously whatever gamer info. needed to play).
If you're feeling confident: Claim the same thing, but say that you haven't played the co-op portion of it because you have no one to play with. If she doesn't take the bait, then you'll have to be less subtle and outright straight-forward.
I seriously think this is the best advice.
Pretend you've never played the Co-op then see how she responds
Ugh come on bro that was SO my idea first, I just wrote it out slower because I was supposed to be in bed three hours ago.
The whole time we were talking she was slightly fidgeting and playing with a spoon, while kind of looking down, is this a good thing?
I'm not one to pick up on these things, so I tend to pass it off as something not to consider valid. Of course, I'm very likely wrong and any romantic will say that she's shy around you, yet has a slight interest in you (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Here's what you do, there's two ways to do this: 1. Wear your Portal 2 shirt, strike up a conversation about it and feign ignorance. Claim you've yet to do the co-op portion of the game, she'll respond in two ways: 1. She will just generally beg you to do it because it's pure fun or 2. Volunteer to play with you and that will be your ticket (phone number to text so you can tell her when you're "available" to play, name, and obviously whatever gamer info. needed to play).
If you're feeling confident: Claim the same thing, but say that you haven't played the co-op portion of it because you have no one to play with. If she doesn't take the bait, then you'll have to be less subtle and outright straight-forward.
I seriously think this is the best advice.
Pretend you've never played the Co-op then see how she responds
Ugh come on bro that was SO my idea first, I just wrote it out slower because I was supposed to be in bed three hours ago.
As you can see by exhibit Torenhire (or T for short), it's clearly worked and is not staving a woman's desire for him for a whole three hours.
On June 03 2011 15:20 Torenhire wrote: Ugh come on bro that was SO my idea first, I just wrote it out slower because I was supposed to be in bed three hours ago.
As you can see by exhibit Torenhire (or T for short), it's clearly worked and is not staving a woman's desire for him for a whole three hours.
What a champ!
P.S: stop plagiarizing, I wrote it first.
I held IP rights on it before you posted it. Therefore every time it's read and/or quoted, you need to pay me money.
The whole time we were talking she was slightly fidgeting and playing with a spoon, while kind of looking down, is this a good thing?
I'm not one to pick up on these things, so I tend to pass it off as something not to consider valid. Of course, I'm very likely wrong and any romantic will say that she's shy around you, yet has a slight interest in you (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Here's what you do, there's two ways to do this: 1. Wear your Portal 2 shirt, strike up a conversation about it and feign ignorance. Claim you've yet to do the co-op portion of the game, she'll respond in two ways: 1. She will just generally beg you to do it because it's pure fun or 2. Volunteer to play with you and that will be your ticket (phone number to text so you can tell her when you're "available" to play, name, and obviously whatever gamer info. needed to play).
If you're feeling confident: Claim the same thing, but say that you haven't played the co-op portion of it because you have no one to play with. If she doesn't take the bait, then you'll have to be less subtle and outright straight-forward.
I seriously think this is the best advice.
Pretend you've never played the Co-op then see how she responds
Ugh come on bro that was SO my idea first, I just wrote it out slower because I was supposed to be in bed three hours ago.
As you can see by exhibit Torenhire (or T for short), it's clearly worked and is not staving a woman's desire for him for a whole three hours.
What a champ!
P.S: stop plagiarizing, I wrote it first.
Oh you're mean!
T if nothing else. Remember...
You have the mutalisk. You are simply better
Oh and Torte as for the Ps in P. It may be a slightly awkward comparison but is probably more accurate than the original saying. I can't speak for you, but I certainly have a penis, and am not a spherical green vegetable.
On June 03 2011 15:20 Torenhire wrote: Ugh come on bro that was SO my idea first, I just wrote it out slower because I was supposed to be in bed three hours ago.
As you can see by exhibit Torenhire (or T for short), it's clearly worked and is not staving a woman's desire for him for a whole three hours.
What a champ!
P.S: stop plagiarizing, I wrote it first.
I held IP rights on it before you posted it. Therefore every time it's read and/or quoted, you need to pay me money.
The whole time we were talking she was slightly fidgeting and playing with a spoon, while kind of looking down, is this a good thing?
I'm not one to pick up on these things, so I tend to pass it off as something not to consider valid. Of course, I'm very likely wrong and any romantic will say that she's shy around you, yet has a slight interest in you (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Here's what you do, there's two ways to do this: 1. Wear your Portal 2 shirt, strike up a conversation about it and feign ignorance. Claim you've yet to do the co-op portion of the game, she'll respond in two ways: 1. She will just generally beg you to do it because it's pure fun or 2. Volunteer to play with you and that will be your ticket (phone number to text so you can tell her when you're "available" to play, name, and obviously whatever gamer info. needed to play).
If you're feeling confident: Claim the same thing, but say that you haven't played the co-op portion of it because you have no one to play with. If she doesn't take the bait, then you'll have to be less subtle and outright straight-forward.
I seriously think this is the best advice.
Pretend you've never played the Co-op then see how she responds
Ugh come on bro that was SO my idea first, I just wrote it out slower because I was supposed to be in bed three hours ago.
As you can see by exhibit Torenhire (or T for short), it's clearly worked and is not staving a woman's desire for him for a whole three hours.
What a champ!
P.S: stop plagiarizing, I wrote it first.
Oh you're mean!
T if nothing else. Remember...
You have the mutalisk. You are simply better
Oh and Torte as for the Ps in P. It may be a slightly awkward comparison but is probably more accurate than the original saying. I can't speak for you, but I certainly have a penis, and am not a spherical green vegetable.
First off, fu D:< Second: They don't call me the Green Giant in the sack n________________________________n for nothing
The whole time we were talking she was slightly fidgeting and playing with a spoon, while kind of looking down, is this a good thing?
I'm not one to pick up on these things, so I tend to pass it off as something not to consider valid. Of course, I'm very likely wrong and any romantic will say that she's shy around you, yet has a slight interest in you (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Here's what you do, there's two ways to do this: 1. Wear your Portal 2 shirt, strike up a conversation about it and feign ignorance. Claim you've yet to do the co-op portion of the game, she'll respond in two ways: 1. She will just generally beg you to do it because it's pure fun or 2. Volunteer to play with you and that will be your ticket (phone number to text so you can tell her when you're "available" to play, name, and obviously whatever gamer info. needed to play).
If you're feeling confident: Claim the same thing, but say that you haven't played the co-op portion of it because you have no one to play with. If she doesn't take the bait, then you'll have to be less subtle and outright straight-forward.
I seriously think this is the best advice.
Pretend you've never played the Co-op then see how she responds
Ugh come on bro that was SO my idea first, I just wrote it out slower because I was supposed to be in bed three hours ago.
As you can see by exhibit Torenhire (or T for short), it's clearly worked and is not staving a woman's desire for him for a whole three hours.
What a champ!
P.S: stop plagiarizing, I wrote it first.
Oh you're mean!
T if nothing else. Remember...
You have the mutalisk. You are simply better
Oh and Torte as for the Ps in P. It may be a slightly awkward comparison but is probably more accurate than the original saying. I can't speak for you, but I certainly have a penis, and am not a spherical green vegetable.
First off, fu D:< Second: They don't call me the Green Giant in the sack n________________________________n for nothing
I see...
Are you Jolly or just Green?
Anyway folks it has been fun. I need to head home now. Works a bitch and the week is over.
Get a white t-shirt, get some blue or black masking tape, and then use the tape to write out the word 'ESPORTS' on the shirt. Wear it the next time you see her. You don't have to have it on the whole time. Just make sure that the second you see her you take it out of your bag and put it on. Even if it's over your clothes. If you're serious about this girl I'd go ahead and put on a headband and some shades = she will be all over you. When she inevitably grabs on to your body, wrap one arm around her, and raise the other arm in the air fist-a-blazing and yell out in triumph: ESPORTS!!
Either that or go up and talk to her, ask for her online info etc.
The whole time we were talking she was slightly fidgeting and playing with a spoon, while kind of looking down, is this a good thing?
I'm not one to pick up on these things, so I tend to pass it off as something not to consider valid. Of course, I'm very likely wrong and any romantic will say that she's shy around you, yet has a slight interest in you (but somehow, she has the courage to compliment you on your shit without any formal initiative on your part).
Here's what you do, there's two ways to do this: 1. Wear your Portal 2 shirt, strike up a conversation about it and feign ignorance. Claim you've yet to do the co-op portion of the game, she'll respond in two ways: 1. She will just generally beg you to do it because it's pure fun or 2. Volunteer to play with you and that will be your ticket (phone number to text so you can tell her when you're "available" to play, name, and obviously whatever gamer info. needed to play).
If you're feeling confident: Claim the same thing, but say that you haven't played the co-op portion of it because you have no one to play with. If she doesn't take the bait, then you'll have to be less subtle and outright straight-forward.
I seriously think this is the best advice.
Pretend you've never played the Co-op then see how she responds
Ugh come on bro that was SO my idea first, I just wrote it out slower because I was supposed to be in bed three hours ago.
As you can see by exhibit Torenhire (or T for short), it's clearly worked and is not staving a woman's desire for him for a whole three hours.
What a champ!
P.S: stop plagiarizing, I wrote it first.
Oh you're mean!
T if nothing else. Remember...
You have the mutalisk. You are simply better
Oh and Torte as for the Ps in P. It may be a slightly awkward comparison but is probably more accurate than the original saying. I can't speak for you, but I certainly have a penis, and am not a spherical green vegetable.
Since the Valkyrie beats both of them does that mean im supreme?
for christs sake, just talk to her. Ask her out! You literally can't lose. If she likes you there's no wrong way to ask her out except for one that's way too contrived (a line). If she actually has any interest in you, then if you go in there confidently, then you're well... confident; and if you go in there shy and sputtering, you're cute (which you should not feel emasculated by). If she doesn't like you, and you go in confidently she'll think you're a douchebag, and if you go in shy and sputtering she'll think you're a loser. It's literally that simple. Just don't act like a tool and you're, as they say, in there like swimwear
The only times I've ever had any success in this department just kind of happened. The trick isn't not trying too hard, it's not giving a shit whether or not you're trying too hard. Don't put on a mask because you'll have to wear it all the time when you're around her, and you might find that she's not worth it.
I demand updates to this blog. There's like a ton of advices already and you know what they all have in common? Ask her out! +1 to that, but I actually think asking her for a "co-op campaign" together might not be the best idea for starters. Maybe you should get to know when she has a break or when her shift ends, and chat about the things common between you two (this can include games) - and naturally lead to a dinner and a movie, or something similar like that. I'm not an expert on this, but I honestly can't imagine why she would refuse at this point.
On June 04 2011 01:39 OpticalShot wrote: I demand updates to this blog. There's like a ton of advices already and you know what they all have in common? Ask her out! +1 to that, but I actually think asking her for a "co-op campaign" together might not be the best idea for starters. Maybe you should get to know when she has a break or when her shift ends, and chat about the things common between you two (this can include games) - and naturally lead to a dinner and a movie, or something similar like that. I'm not an expert on this, but I honestly can't imagine why she would refuse at this point.
It was a bright sunny day, the clouds were swirling foams identical to the whip creams in my coffees. Yes, plural, for I have bought one for myself and one for the young dame at the counter. I'd get her a smoothie, but it would be more smooth if I brought her something warm and delicious, uplifting as I go to "uplift" some weights, hoping her eyes would run astray in my direction instead of the cash register or the smoothie machines.
As I walked in, the doors slid open, yanking any cool and suave confidence I had. My legs began to jitter and my mind was trying to tug me back outside, to abandon all hope and desire to deliver the drink and the opening statement. I fought hard, menaced my mind that I would not delight it with an education if it fucked me over on this one. Steps forward, I finally saw her: hourglass figure angled over the counter, color of hair that would probably suit a young Caucasian (let's go with a vanilla blond). I made sure to wear my Portal 2 shirt, intentionally ripping out the sleeves to further impress my developing biceps, a redundancy since I am going to the gym anyways.
Nonetheless, I hopped on over to her side, spread my elbow onto the counter slyly and winked. "I got you something" as I slide the coffee towards her. She didn't say much but smiled in appreciation as I followed-up: "I'm no Cave Johnson, but how about you and me in the Enrichment center".
She looked away: was she blushing? Embarrassed? Shit... did I fuck up again? I tried to peak to the left of her, see what she was doing. I muttered inquisitively: "Are you still there?".
She giggled, brushed her hair back and slap her hand on mine: You, me, Portal 2 co-op tonight?
I almost jumped for joy! My heart pounded! Finally, I can do some tests with a companion that isn't a fucking cube with 0 personality, but somehow gets all the attention of the males, females and robots!
Wasting no more time trying to figure if this was truly happening, if this was the reality of it all, I inquired her personal information: "What's your Steam ID? What time do you want to meet?"
She scribbled down her phone number while saying: "I'll be on later tonight, I have to pick up some potatoes."
Shit, I didn't quite catch her name, I turned around, ashamed as if I just robbed a bank and right before my mouth let loose the question, she said: "Just call me GLaDOS."
On June 04 2011 01:39 OpticalShot wrote: I demand updates to this blog. There's like a ton of advices already and you know what they all have in common? Ask her out! +1 to that, but I actually think asking her for a "co-op campaign" together might not be the best idea for starters. Maybe you should get to know when she has a break or when her shift ends, and chat about the things common between you two (this can include games) - and naturally lead to a dinner and a movie, or something similar like that. I'm not an expert on this, but I honestly can't imagine why she would refuse at this point.
It was a bright sunny day, the clouds were swirling foams identical to the whip creams in my coffees. Yes, plural, for I have bought one for myself and one for the young dame at the counter. I'd get her a smoothie, but it would be more smooth if I brought her something warm and delicious, uplifting as I go to "uplift" some weights, hoping her eyes would run astray in my direction instead of the cash register or the smoothie machines.
As I walked in, the doors slid open, yanking any cool and suave confidence I had. My legs began to jitter and my mind was trying to tug me back outside, to abandon all hope and desire to deliver the drink and the opening statement. I fought hard, menaced my mind that I would not delight it with an education if it fucked me over on this one. Steps forward, I finally saw her: hourglass figure angled over the counter, color of hair that would probably suit a young Caucasian (let's go with a vanilla blond). I made sure to wear my Portal 2 shirt, intentionally ripping out the sleeves to further impress my developing biceps, a redundancy since I am going to the gym anyways.
Nonetheless, I hopped on over to her side, spread my elbow onto the counter slyly and winked. "I got you something" as I slide the coffee towards her. She didn't say much but smiled in appreciation as I followed-up: "I'm no Cave Johnson, but how about you and me in the Enrichment center".
She looked away: was she blushing? Embarrassed? Shit... did I fuck up again? I tried to peak to the left of her, see what she was doing. I muttered inquisitively: "Are you still there?".
She giggled, brushed her hair back and slap her hand on mine: You, me, Portal 2 co-op tonight?
I almost jumped for joy! My heart pounded! Finally, I can do some tests with a companion that isn't a fucking cube with 0 personality, but somehow gets all the attention of the males, females and robots!
Wasting no more time trying to figure if this was truly happening, if this was the reality of it all, I inquired her personal information: "What's your Steam ID? What time do you want to meet?"
She scribbled down her phone number while saying: "I'll be on later tonight, I have to pick up some potatoes."
Shit, I didn't quite catch her name, I turned around, ashamed as if I just robbed a bank and right before my mouth let loose the question, she said: "Just call me GLaDOS."
OMG this is beyond win, this is one of the best things I've ever read! Update: Just got back from the gym today, alas she was not working. I'll try my luck again on Monday.
When you ask her out, I recommend you pick a place and have a plan. Also you should follow up with a simple reason as to why it worth her time.
For example: Hey do you want to hang out sometime?
vs
Hey, do you want to go out to X restaurant on Friday night? I think it would be a lot of fun.
If you pick a location and time, it's easier for her to say yes. If the time doesn't work out, just reschedule to like Saturday, ask her when would work best for her. Simply stating you think it would be a lot of fun gives her a reason to go with you. Using the word "want" is assertive, it implies if you say yes you would make me happy by fulfilling my request. "I would like" is too passive, it means its ok for you to say no. "I need" is too aggressive, it'll make her feel like she doesn't have a choice which will make you look too controlling.
Also it's best you gather your courage and just ask. It's better to say I tried and failed then I didn't try at all.
Walk straight up to her, press her chest against yours, stare into her eyes, pause for at least 10 seconds, then whisper in a deep and manly voice,
"Hey gorgeous, why don't you come back to my lab with our HEV suits off, and we make some sweet resonance cascade with me pushing my non-standard specimen into your Anti-Mass Spectrometer?"
Oh no Artemis we are let down. Not to fret, you've got a weekend to strategize. Execute as planned on Monday and complete the mission. Also, just be yourself Don't try to act any particular way, the most important thing is to be comfortable and talk to her like any one of your friends. GL HF
On June 04 2011 02:46 j0k3r wrote: Oh no Artemis we are let down. Not to fret, you've got a weekend to strategize. Execute as planned on Monday and complete the mission. Also, just be yourself Don't try to act any particular way, the most important thing is to be comfortable and talk to her like any one of your friends. GL HF
If you do it the way a normal person would none of this matters:
Step 1: Get confidence. If you already have confidence(you probably don't btw), more can't hurt. Step 2: Approach the seemingly magical entity with her fabled female parts. Step 3: "Hey want to go out with me sometime?" (*Pro-Tip: Avoid awkwardly staring at her beforehand. And if you followed step 1 properly you should be able to formulate this sentence with ease. If you can't, celibacy is cool too, bro)
On June 04 2011 01:39 OpticalShot wrote: I demand updates to this blog. There's like a ton of advices already and you know what they all have in common? Ask her out! +1 to that, but I actually think asking her for a "co-op campaign" together might not be the best idea for starters. Maybe you should get to know when she has a break or when her shift ends, and chat about the things common between you two (this can include games) - and naturally lead to a dinner and a movie, or something similar like that. I'm not an expert on this, but I honestly can't imagine why she would refuse at this point.
It was a bright sunny day, the clouds were swirling foams identical to the whip creams in my coffees. Yes, plural, for I have bought one for myself and one for the young dame at the counter. I'd get her a smoothie, but it would be more smooth if I brought her something warm and delicious, uplifting as I go to "uplift" some weights, hoping her eyes would run astray in my direction instead of the cash register or the smoothie machines.
As I walked in, the doors slid open, yanking any cool and suave confidence I had. My legs began to jitter and my mind was trying to tug me back outside, to abandon all hope and desire to deliver the drink and the opening statement. I fought hard, menaced my mind that I would not delight it with an education if it fucked me over on this one. Steps forward, I finally saw her: hourglass figure angled over the counter, color of hair that would probably suit a young Caucasian (let's go with a vanilla blond). I made sure to wear my Portal 2 shirt, intentionally ripping out the sleeves to further impress my developing biceps, a redundancy since I am going to the gym anyways.
Nonetheless, I hopped on over to her side, spread my elbow onto the counter slyly and winked. "I got you something" as I slide the coffee towards her. She didn't say much but smiled in appreciation as I followed-up: "I'm no Cave Johnson, but how about you and me in the Enrichment center".
She looked away: was she blushing? Embarrassed? Shit... did I fuck up again? I tried to peak to the left of her, see what she was doing. I muttered inquisitively: "Are you still there?".
She giggled, brushed her hair back and slap her hand on mine: You, me, Portal 2 co-op tonight?
I almost jumped for joy! My heart pounded! Finally, I can do some tests with a companion that isn't a fucking cube with 0 personality, but somehow gets all the attention of the males, females and robots!
Wasting no more time trying to figure if this was truly happening, if this was the reality of it all, I inquired her personal information: "What's your Steam ID? What time do you want to meet?"
She scribbled down her phone number while saying: "I'll be on later tonight, I have to pick up some potatoes."
Shit, I didn't quite catch her name, I turned around, ashamed as if I just robbed a bank and right before my mouth let loose the question, she said: "Just call me GLaDOS."
Some of your better work there Torte. I give you ****
Artemis, you muscley man, you super sexy stud, you beautiful bouncing brawny beast...(too much?)
Welcome back. I hope you don't mind that we sort of hijacked your blog...
How is it hanging? Left is more aerodynamic I hear, better breathability. In addition sinister is sexy... Remember this for the next gym journey. It is vital information.
Good luck...(Too easy)...God Speed...(Ethically inconsistent being an atheisist and all.)
On June 03 2011 14:25 obesechicken13 wrote: Just go up and talk to her. Nothing fancy. Don't read too much into everything. If you have a plan for a date, and just talk to her you may get shy trying to ask her out, but you will have no option but to ask her. Good luck
More detail: 1. Be normal; say hello, don't creep her out by telling her that you noticed the wasn't there when you were there last.
2. Ask her out; don't be too specific or you'll seem as though you've been planning this (i.e. don't do what Kutsuki posted), but be specific enough so that she knows it's a date e.g. "do you want to grab a coffee sometime?"
3. Contrary to others' advice, I would say that whatever you do don't ask if she wants to play games with you on your first date - you're suggesting the wrong thing.
Be normal and you'll be fine. Don't think about it too much, just plan your first move (see point 2). There's really no reason for her to say no unless she's not single because she showed interest before.
Update: Saw her again this morning, said hi on my way in she commented on my portal 2 shirt again, I only said thanks as I walked away . After I got a smoothie from here again, and only said hi, my order, and thank you, then walked out. God damn it. I also noticed her looking at me from the reception desk as I was working out (is that good?). Next time I HAVE to talk to her more, get her name, AND ask her out for coffee or w/e.
On June 07 2011 01:35 Artemis wrote: Update: Saw her again this morning, said hi on my way in she commented on my portal 2 shirt again, I only said thanks as I walked away . After I got a smoothie from here again, and only said hi, my order, and thank you, then walked out. God damn it. I also noticed her looking at me from the reception desk as I was working out (is that good?). Next time I HAVE to talk to her more, get her name, AND ask her out for coffee or w/e.
If you wuss out next time I demand you come to TL and have Chill ban you for being a pussy. :p
Go for it man. You've got like...3 options here.
a) You don't ask her out and regret it. b) You ask her out, she says no, oh well - life goes on. c) You ask her out, she says yes, you win.
Just do it!
You want to know something else?
You'll get more praise here for trying and failing, or trying and succeeding, than you will for not trying at all.
My sister and my friends told me its too early to ask her out but u guys say otherwise. We havent talked THAT much besides that one conversation about halflife/portal. Is it ok to ask her out even if we havent talked too much, or should I wait to talk to her a bit more first?
On June 07 2011 02:15 Artemis wrote: My sister and my friends told me its too early to ask her out but u guys say otherwise. We havent talked THAT much besides that one conversation about halflife/portal. Is it ok to ask her out even if we havent talked too much, or should I wait to talk to her a bit more first?
I say go for it. Getting to know her is for a date, you don't have to wait.
On June 07 2011 02:15 Artemis wrote: My sister and my friends told me its too early to ask her out but u guys say otherwise. We havent talked THAT much besides that one conversation about halflife/portal. Is it ok to ask her out even if we havent talked too much, or should I wait to talk to her a bit more first?
I say go for it. Getting to know her is for a date, you don't have to wait.
Aye. I guess personally, I just kinda assumed you knew her name already. :p
I agree with Dalguno anyways, you can use your first date as a "get to know you" instead of a serious relationship talk. Do something nice and easy where you can sit down and get to know each other better. Then if things go well from there, find out when the next date is!
Just let her know that you want to get to know her better and see if she wants to go get a coffee or something. :p
On June 07 2011 02:15 Artemis wrote: My sister and my friends told me its too early to ask her out but u guys say otherwise. We havent talked THAT much besides that one conversation about halflife/portal. Is it ok to ask her out even if we havent talked too much, or should I wait to talk to her a bit more first?
I talked to my current gf for about 10 minutes before calling her up a few days later to ask her out (she was a friend of a friend, we met at a bar in a group setting). We've been dating for 2 years now, so I'd say it's not too early for you. Just decide what you want to do and go do it already!
Be friendly, smile, ask for her name and have the attitude "do I want her?" instead of " am I good enough for her?", ask her out if you like her. Good luck!
What should I invite her to do if she accepts? The gym I go to is at the mall, should I take her for coffee and a walk around the mall or should I do lunch or something?
On June 07 2011 05:50 Artemis wrote: What should I invite her to do if she accepts? The gym I go to is at the mall, should I take her for coffee and a walk around the mall or should I do lunch or something?
I would say coffee, or something informal. Something not extremely formal is best imo because you want to get to know her a bit before you start something more upfront.
This is an idea to get you into the right situation.
Go a little later than normal and find out what time she gets off work.
The next time you go, wait until about 10 mins before she leaves and order a drink and talk to her. When she has to leave say something like "Hey i'm going to XXX to get a coffee/drink whatever, want to join me?" I leave the rest up to you.
Some advice. Be yourself. It's a lot harder than it sounds. Don't pigeonhole yourself as a "Gamer guy" and her as a "gamer girl". I'm sure you enjoy other things and so does she. Try to find out what kinds of things you like, don't like etc. Don't do the dinner/movie thing. Take her somewhere fun like mini-golf or a video arcade. At the end of the night say something like "This was fun, would you like to hang out again?" and that will get you her number. Don't call her right away, wait at least 24 hours otherwise you just will appear obsessive.
Other than that, it's all up to your personality. Enjoy!
I would say coffee or lunch, dinner might be a bit too lengthy at this point. Just something small is a subtle way of showing interest in her, a dinner might be a bit too much for now.
I think im going to ask her for lunch at the food court, then segue into a walk through the mall. If all goes well Ill call her up 2 days later and plan a second more formal date. Sound good?
On June 07 2011 06:15 Artemis wrote: I think im going to ask her for lunch at the food court, then segue into a walk through the mall. If all goes well Ill call her up 2 days later and plan a second more formal date. Sound good?
On June 07 2011 05:50 Artemis wrote: What should I invite her to do if she accepts? The gym I go to is at the mall, should I take her for coffee and a walk around the mall or should I do lunch or something?
A coffee is an excellent idea. Something informal and around the corner. Make her feel comfortable and good about herself - AND in what she is doing (remember she is meeting up with a total stranger, you could be a rapist for all she knows...). Say that she looks nice and you would like to get to know her. When you talk: diversify subjects. Don't be scared about showing passion for something, but DON'T BRAG about yourself. She's quite capable of making her own mind up on what an awesome person you are, and how strong you are etc. Don't ask too much about work, school and boring stuff like that. Talk about animals. Talk about travelling and the universe, the cosmos etc. Let your imagination run wild. Ask her if she's got any homosexual friends. Tell her how fascinated you are with homosexuals, but that you, sadly, isn't one. You are just a dull straight dude with no colorfully sexual excentricities. Remember that it is always good to talk about sex as long as you both can handle it in a mature way. Girls tend to like maturity to some extend. I'm single by the way.
On June 07 2011 06:15 Artemis wrote: I think im going to ask her for lunch at the food court, then segue into a walk through the mall. If all goes well Ill call her up 2 days later and plan a second more formal date. Sound good?
On June 07 2011 01:35 Artemis wrote: Update: Saw her again this morning, said hi on my way in she commented on my portal 2 shirt again, I only said thanks as I walked away . After I got a smoothie from here again, and only said hi, my order, and thank you, then walked out. God damn it. I also noticed her looking at me from the reception desk as I was working out (is that good?). Next time I HAVE to talk to her more, get her name, AND ask her out for coffee or w/e.
SO MUCH FAIL
START A NEW BLOG ASKING YOURSELF WHY YOU STILL LIVE!!!111
No seriously, what the fuck man? Way to pussy out D:
Fuck dude, the longer you stall, the less that first conversation seems more valid and your mark on her becomes slowly washed out.
Start a new fucking conversation. Then ask her out. Work your way up bro, it's a corporation.
I hope you are alright. This is such a nice blog, don't ruin it with bad news. I missed TL over the weekend and has exams yesterday>
Personally, I would take it slow if you don't feel comfortable. Remember, a girl is just a girl. There are more than 3 bilion on the planet. No matter how awesome this one seems, she is not the only one out there. Particularly if you don't know much about her. She could be a serial killer for all you know.
I'm going to wait one more day to talk to her, get to know her a bit more before asking her out. My sister and some of my female friends convinced me that its probably too soon and I should wait at least one more conversation. If shes there tomorrow ill talk to her and get her name, then ill ask her out on Wednesday.
On June 07 2011 12:16 Artemis wrote: I'm going to wait one more day to talk to her, get to know her a bit more before asking her out. My sister and some of my female friends convinced me that its probably too soon and I should wait at least one more conversation. If shes there tomorrow ill talk to her and get her name, then ill ask her out on Wednesday.
He's back!
Great idea mate. If you don't feel comfortable then she won't. Besides if you know nothing about her, it is possible that when you find out more you realise that she isn't worth the effort. I hope for your sake this isn't true but it is possible. That should help you feel a little less focussed on the future and more on just getting to know her.
If you are worried about being "friend-zoned" I can tell you that I spent eight weeks doing dance classes with my girl before I asked her out. We have just had a first year together and things are going swimmingly. Being friend-zoned is a myth. If you feel strongly about her, you make your move and see what happens. Taking time allows you to be sure.
Good luck mate. I'm rooting for you!
Keep posting
Edit: Ps. I hope you didn't mind us hijacking your blog
Damn it man, be more confident! Her fidgeting is a good indicator that she has feelings to you, as well as her comments on your shirts and, if you are correct, her looking at you while you worked out. Talk to her, ask her if she plays SC2, and ASK HER OUT!
On June 07 2011 13:36 edc.initiative wrote: Damn it man, be more confident! Her fidgeting is a good indicator that she has feelings to you, as well as her comments on your shirts and, if you are correct, her looking at you while you worked out. Talk to her, ask her if she plays SC2, and ASK HER OUT!
I think the point is that Artemis doesn't feel confident enough to just straight up ask a stranger out, and make no mistake she is a stranger. It takes some serious balls to do that, particularly if you really like the girl.
I still think it is better to get to know her and feel more confident, than to try and bullshit confidence. Sure there are indicators that she is interested but if Artemis isn't fully confident than what is the problem with trying a simple conversation?
please correct me if i'm wrong -- you mentioned that the gym was in the mall/at the mall/near the mall? if so, i'd suggest NOT hanging out at the mall after she gets off work. i used to work at the mall and it got very old. hanging out at the mall after work seemed like..."hey, after work, do you want to hang out at work?" maybe a movie? or a coffee shop somewhere else?
The upside of meeting in the mall is that it is an area she's bound to know well and that it's a very public place. As someone said earlier, she doesn't know whether the OP has good intentions or not, so such a place might make her feel more secure .
On June 09 2011 01:31 Artemis wrote: UPDATE: Talked to her again this morning, although she was busy. Only got to ask her how her day was going and no real conversation.
Y'know, eventually you're going to have to start putting on the green instead of the rough. Try going during in-between hours when it is less busy :B
Just a piece of advice, I'm not sure if your Portal 2 shirt is your go to workout shirt or you keep wearing it so she will comment on the game again, but I would advise switching it up a bit. Preferably with something non-gaming related so she knows you have more to talk about than just video games.
On June 07 2011 06:04 darmousseh wrote: This is an idea to get you into the right situation.
Go a little later than normal and find out what time she gets off work.
The next time you go, wait until about 10 mins before she leaves and order a drink and talk to her. When she has to leave say something like "Hey i'm going to XXX to get a coffee/drink whatever, want to join me?" I leave the rest up to you.
Some advice. Be yourself. It's a lot harder than it sounds. Don't pigeonhole yourself as a "Gamer guy" and her as a "gamer girl". I'm sure you enjoy other things and so does she. Try to find out what kinds of things you like, don't like etc. Don't do the dinner/movie thing. Take her somewhere fun like mini-golf or a video arcade. At the end of the night say something like "This was fun, would you like to hang out again?" and that will get you her number. Don't call her right away, wait at least 24 hours otherwise you just will appear obsessive.
Other than that, it's all up to your personality. Enjoy!
This. And also, you might want to wait more than 24 hours, because if you get her number at 2am and call her back 24 hours later... I'm just being a douche ignore me
Def find out her name and more about her before asking her out. She'll be more inclined to go out with "artemis from the gym" rather than "some guy from the gym". Its important she knows a little bit about you first!
Don't dwell on the specifics of exactly what to say because when she realizes she is being ask out she will either accept or decline regardless of how you ask her (unless you do it torte's style, then its an auto-yes, XD )
On June 07 2011 12:16 Artemis wrote: I'm going to wait one more day to talk to her, get to know her a bit more before asking her out. My sister and some of my female friends convinced me that its probably too soon and I should wait at least one more conversation. If shes there tomorrow ill talk to her and get her name, then ill ask her out on Wednesday.
He's back!
Great idea mate. If you don't feel comfortable then she won't. Besides if you know nothing about her, it is possible that when you find out more you realise that she isn't worth the effort. I hope for your sake this isn't true but it is possible. That should help you feel a little less focussed on the future and more on just getting to know her.
If you are worried about being "friend-zoned" I can tell you that I spent eight weeks doing dance classes with my girl before I asked her out. We have just had a first year together and things are going swimmingly. Being friend-zoned is a myth. If you feel strongly about her, you make your move and see what happens. Taking time allows you to be sure.
Good luck mate. I'm rooting for you!
Keep posting
Edit: Ps. I hope you didn't mind us hijacking your blog
I didn't want to bump up your blog without you posting first, but I felt I had to when I read that "Being friend-zoned is a myth" statement. This is totally NOT true. Being friend-zoned is completely legitimate and it does happen with every girl, only the length of time differs. Probulous got lucky, most girls won't stay interested that long. In fact about 5 months ago I got friend-zoned by a girl in my study group. After I asked her out she was like, "I liked you when we first met, and I was really hoping you would ask me out, but things change you know?". Do not let yourself fall into this trap. Waiting a small amount of time is okay, if you want to make sure she is as cool as she seemed to be, but don't wait too long. Plus once you get your answer, you won't have to worry anymore, about stuff like: is she going to be there today when I work out, what should I wear to start a conversation, stuff like that. Even if she says no, the relief of not having to think about that kind of stuff will outweigh the disappointment. Good luck man.
just eye-fuck the shit outa her from across the room as you box-squat 600 pounds and grunt like a silverback. i cant see this going anything other than splendidly. go get 'em tiger.
Lmao these fucking girl blogs are always the same. "I want to ask this girl out without asking, putting myself out there, possibly being rejected!" Just ask her out dude, it's not going to be creepy unless, as another poster said, you make it creepy. Just talk to her like you have been, and then just say something like, "Would you want to grab a coffee sometime?" Just ask something casual. If she's interested, she'll agree, if she isn't, she'll make some sort of excuse. Either way, she isn't going to yell no into your face and then laugh as you walk away - rejecting someone is just as awkward as being rejected, so she's going to make it as painless as possible even if she wasn't into you. Either way, just ask.
On June 07 2011 12:16 Artemis wrote: I'm going to wait one more day to talk to her, get to know her a bit more before asking her out. My sister and some of my female friends convinced me that its probably too soon and I should wait at least one more conversation. If shes there tomorrow ill talk to her and get her name, then ill ask her out on Wednesday.
He's back!
Great idea mate. If you don't feel comfortable then she won't. Besides if you know nothing about her, it is possible that when you find out more you realise that she isn't worth the effort. I hope for your sake this isn't true but it is possible. That should help you feel a little less focussed on the future and more on just getting to know her.
If you are worried about being "friend-zoned" I can tell you that I spent eight weeks doing dance classes with my girl before I asked her out. We have just had a first year together and things are going swimmingly. Being friend-zoned is a myth. If you feel strongly about her, you make your move and see what happens. Taking time allows you to be sure.
Good luck mate. I'm rooting for you!
Keep posting
Edit: Ps. I hope you didn't mind us hijacking your blog
I didn't want to bump up your blog without you posting first, but I felt I had to when I read that "Being friend-zoned is a myth" statement. This is totally NOT true. Being friend-zoned is completely legitimate and it does happen with every girl, only the length of time differs. Probulous got lucky, most girls won't stay interested that long. In fact about 5 months ago I got friend-zoned by a girl in my study group. After I asked her out she was like, "I liked you when we first met, and I was really hoping you would ask me out, but things change you know?". Do not let yourself fall into this trap. Waiting a small amount of time is okay, if you want to make sure she is as cool as she seemed to be, but don't wait too long. Plus once you get your answer, you won't have to worry anymore, about stuff like: is she going to be there today when I work out, what should I wear to start a conversation, stuff like that. Even if she says no, the relief of not having to think about that kind of stuff will outweigh the disappointment. Good luck man.
Touche` good sir.
My hyperbole has been exposed and for this I offer a rewarding lager
Seriously though, you are right in that you can get friend-zoned. My concern is that people use it as an excuse to just go hard from day one. If you are confident and the girl is really in to you then this may work. I still think the risk of being friend-zoned is far lower than pretending to be confident when you aren't.
Take time and do what feels comfortable. If it turns out that "things change", I would like to know exactly how? You got to know each other better? If it turns out she is no longer attracted to you then perhaps the initial thing was a crush? Have no doubt if you take a very long time she will be surprised, but if she says no then perhaps things would have ended up this way anyway.
I don't want to start an argument, as above I agree I went too far but I do feel people have this weird idea that relationships have to start from day 1.
Way but where is Artemis?
I need an update. I have invested too much in this blog for it to die...
I, too, am very interested in how it all turned out for him. I'm pulling for him, hoping she said yes. If she says she has a boyfriend, ask if he goes to that gym, if she says no, tell her you do and walk away. Leave her interested
sigh....I've seen her two or three times in the last week always just short hello goodbyes. I think I might just say fuck it and ask her out, is it too late now though?
On June 21 2011 07:13 Artemis wrote: sigh....I've seen her two or three times in the last week always just short hello goodbyes. I think I might just say fuck it and ask her out, is it too late now though?
He's back!
Sounds like a plan to me. I assume you haven't been able to chat because she is working. Gym is busy that kind of thing. Maybe use that as a reason to meetup. Sort of, "Hey, I wanted to chat with you but it is too busy here, can we meet up after you finish?" Something like that. It is never too late!
On June 21 2011 07:13 Artemis wrote: sigh....I've seen her two or three times in the last week always just short hello goodbyes. I think I might just say fuck it and ask her out, is it too late now though?
Not to sound like a negative nancy, but it might be too late. I've experienced the same thing as you, having a girl give me ton of attention at first but me being too chicken/not knowing what to say so it was always just simple hello/good bye kind of stuff. Eventually you just keep sykeing yourself out and the days turn into weeks. Unfortunately she will probably lose interest because you aren't new and exciting anymore. Then you have to worry about whether or not shes in a position of her life that she would even want to be interested (maybe she has a boyfriend).
But then you realize that you're a man and you stop caring about being shy or what other people think of you and you act confident as a rock and ask her out!
TBH though your inability to talk to her readily and easily might be an indication that you two wouldn't work out anyways. If you can't talk more to her than hello/bye than it isn't meant to be :|.
And I really doubt you want to ask her to coffee or any other drink place. I used to work at a smoothie place a couple years ago and I'll tell you, I wouldn't want to go from working at a smoothie place to hanging out at a drink place directly after work.
It's never too late. You're at the fucking gym, eat raw meat, inject more testosterone and fucking ask her out with your testicles in your hands.
If you need someone to pep talk to you over cell while you walk up to her, let me know. I did this for a guy once, he cowered and weeped over the phone as he slowly approached the girl and I just yelled at him with insults and praise and he just fucking went for it.
Never saw him again, but I hear he spends a lot of time in her room.
On June 21 2011 07:13 Artemis wrote: sigh....I've seen her two or three times in the last week always just short hello goodbyes. I think I might just say fuck it and ask her out, is it too late now though?
Hey, dude, go get her. You already got most of the work done.
Here's what she's probably thinking/feeling:
"Wow, this guy and I have something in common in Games. Yet he comes here to work out and have a healthy lifestyle. He doesn't seem too desperate or interested... in fact, I wonder if he's interested at all. Shouldn't he have asked for my number or asked me out on a date already?"
You stroke up a conversation. You didn't seem desperate. You've already got her wondering about you.
Chances are, you can ask her to ANYTHING and she will go.
Where to begin? First of all, you do not need TL's help, or my help for that matter. But you asked for it, so I guess I will give it to you.
You're a gym-goer, so is she (probably). You two are hardbodies. Refer to the following reasons why you two are already on the same page:
Mac: I'm never going to admit that, Carmen. But come on, him? What do you see in this guy? Look at my body compared to his. I'm a hard body, you're a hard body. We could be hard bodies together.
She is into video games, and so are you. She appreciates the Lambda. This is like two nerds with Lambda Lambda Lambda shirts meeting at the mall. It was destiny.
You are both capable of saying "Hello," to each other. Although, technically, she could be doing it just because of her job. Let's ignore that for now.
The glances you are picking up on can mean nothing or everything, but sitting at home and thinking about it won't get you any closer to resolution. Exchanging greetings and doing nothing after that also doesn't. I suggest you approach this in the only sensible manner, an under-used technique that has been passed down through the ages - I call it "Conversation." Before you start popping Tylenols to control your blood pressure, RELAX. The only reason that this "Conversation" might seem overwhelming in your mind is because subconsciously you think that you are putting all your money on one chip in roulette, closing your eyes, and hoping you hit gold. This is the wrong mentality. Seduction isn't gambling, or all-ining in StarCraft. Seduction is an elegant dance of words and gestures.
So, let me re-iterate. This one conversation you are mandated (by me) to have with this girl is not the be-all-end-all chat of your life. The guillotine will not be dropped depending on your performance, your testicles will still be there (allbeit a little more full of sperm... or not, depending on your steroid use), and even if you just come off as some boring geek who has no tact, the worst thing that can happen is that you are left where you started. She won't hate you, you won't be socially mocked and ostracized due to your lack of tact. You have to INTENTIONALLY do something OFFENSIVE to get to that point. So, where's all this pressure coming from?
It's coming from you. By telling yourself you have low confidence and low experience with women, you believe that you are somehow WORSE OFF than every other guy in the world. Spoiler alert: everyone starts off as a noob. You have to grind through the initial shortcomings you face with determination, until you've learned enough to make solid progress. Be confident in the fact that to make a positive impression on her, all you have to do is have one conversation with her in which she doesn't blow her brains out or slap you afterwards. I think even someone with self-professed lack of confidence can pull that off. I have faith in you. I have confidence in you.
At this point, you don't even know if she is single, what her likes and dislikes are (besides N64 and HL), or who she fucking is in general. Those are your first priorities.
Conversation is like an essay, in the sense that it has to flow logically from a to b. However, if you think ahead, you will be able to guide the conversation in the direction you want. For example:
1. Talk about the gym/working out, whether she enjoys it or not (this is a very normal conversation openner in her life, will be totally under the radar)
2. Ask her what ELSE she likes to do when she's not working there, maybe branch off of her previous comments about gaming ("I was playing my friends N64 the other day and remembered you mentioning it, what was your favorite game? Oh, that's a good one, personally I prefer xxxxx because of yyyyyy, have you ever tried it?") *note: no one wants to be interrogated. but everyone wants to talk about themselves. so balance your personal input with hers, but at the same time you should be the one gently guiding the conversation. your goal is to know her better by the end of it, and for her to know you better.
3. After discussing both of your hobbies, try to figure out what would be a good first thing for you two to do together or at least something that gets you closer to that. If you both like drinking, go to a bar. If you both like videogames, bring her a video game next time and tell her to try it out. The possibilities are endless. Basically, do something that will involve you two with each other more than just customer and customer service representative. *note: it's her job to keep you company at the smoothie bar or whatever, but it's also her job to serve other people. don't drag on for too long. say something "I'll stop boring you and let you serve your other customers, I think that guy is in dire need of protein" or something similar if you feel like you have been holding her up. pick the conversation back up next time you see she is free. if you see that she is busy, don't start trying to hold a conversation with her, you will just annoy her, wait for a better time or day. if you are feeling bold and your conversation up until this has been good, say something like "I can tell you're busy so I don't want to hold you up, but I would love to talk to you more when you're free to talk. When do you get off work?"
4. Use this as a foundation for the next conversation you have with her. Just passing by and saying "hello," is still okay (you don't want to be a nag, in the event that she isn't yet interested in you, and you just try to talk to her every day... don't do that). But, once in a while, sit down and have a chat with her. It will be much easier after you do it once, with purpose! The first time, you were clearly caught off-guard.
I recommend you do this ASAP, since it's already been a while since you guys had a talk. She's probably written you off as uninterested, non-issue, in her mind. Time to show some interest in her. And remember:
Mac: I'm never going to admit that, Carmen. But come on, him? What do you see in this guy? Look at my body compared to his. I'm a hard body, you're a hard body. We could be hard bodies together.
She is into video games, and so are you. She appreciates the Lambda. This is like two nerds with Lambda Lambda Lambda shirts meeting at the mall. It was destiny.
You are both capable of saying "Hello," to each other. Although, technically, she could be doing it just because of her job. Let's ignore that for now.
The glances you are picking up on can mean nothing or everything, but sitting at home and thinking about it won't get you any closer to resolution. Exchanging greetings and doing nothing after that also doesn't. I suggest you approach this in the only sensible manner, an under-used technique that has been passed down through the ages - I call it "Conversation." Before you start popping Tylenols to control your blood pressure, RELAX. The only reason that this "Conversation" might seem overwhelming in your mind is because subconsciously you think that you are putting all your money on one chip in roulette, closing your eyes, and hoping you hit gold. This is the wrong mentality. Seduction isn't gambling, or all-ining in StarCraft. Seduction is an elegant dance of words and gestures.
So, let me re-iterate. This one conversation you are mandated (by me) to have with this girl is not the be-all-end-all chat of your life. The guillotine will not be dropped depending on your performance, your testicles will still be there (allbeit a little more full of sperm... or not, depending on your steroid use), and even if you just come off as some boring geek who has no tact, the worst thing that can happen is that you are left where you started. She won't hate you, you won't be socially mocked and ostracized due to your lack of tact. You have to INTENTIONALLY do something OFFENSIVE to get to that point. So, where's all this pressure coming from?
It's coming from you. By telling yourself you have low confidence and low experience with women, you believe that you are somehow WORSE OFF than every other guy in the world. Spoiler alert: everyone starts off as a noob. You have to grind through the initial shortcomings you face with determination, until you've learned enough to make solid progress. Be confident in the fact that to make a positive impression on her, all you have to do is have one conversation with her in which she doesn't blow her brains out or slap you afterwards. I think even someone with self-professed lack of confidence can pull that off. I have faith in you. I have confidence in you.
At this point, you don't even know if she is single, what her likes and dislikes are (besides N64 and HL), or who she fucking is in general. Those are your first priorities.
Conversation is like an essay, in the sense that it has to flow logically from a to b. However, if you think ahead, you will be able to guide the conversation in the direction you want. For example:
1. Talk about the gym/working out, whether she enjoys it or not (this is a very normal conversation openner in her life, will be totally under the radar)
2. Ask her what ELSE she likes to do when she's not working there, maybe branch off of her previous comments about gaming ("I was playing my friends N64 the other day and remembered you mentioning it, what was your favorite game? Oh, that's a good one, personally I prefer xxxxx because of yyyyyy, have you ever tried it?") *note: no one wants to be interrogated. but everyone wants to talk about themselves. so balance your personal input with hers, but at the same time you should be the one gently guiding the conversation. your goal is to know her better by the end of it, and for her to know you better.
3. After discussing both of your hobbies, try to figure out what would be a good first thing for you two to do together or at least something that gets you closer to that. If you both like drinking, go to a bar. If you both like videogames, bring her a video game next time and tell her to try it out. The possibilities are endless. Basically, do something that will involve you two with each other more than just customer and customer service representative. *note: it's her job to keep you company at the smoothie bar or whatever, but it's also her job to serve other people. don't drag on for too long. say something "I'll stop boring you and let you serve your other customers, I think that guy is in dire need of protein" or something similar if you feel like you have been holding her up. pick the conversation back up next time you see she is free. if you see that she is busy, don't start trying to hold a conversation with her, you will just annoy her, wait for a better time or day. if you are feeling bold and your conversation up until this has been good, say something like "I can tell you're busy so I don't want to hold you up, but I would love to talk to you more when you're free to talk. When do you get off work?"
4. Use this as a foundation for the next conversation you have with her. Just passing by and saying "hello," is still okay (you don't want to be a nag, in the event that she isn't yet interested in you, and you just try to talk to her every day... don't do that). But, once in a while, sit down and have a chat with her. It will be much easier after you do it once, with purpose! The first time, you were clearly caught off-guard.
I recommend you do this ASAP, since it's already been a while since you guys had a talk. She's probably written you off as uninterested, non-issue, in her mind. Time to show some interest in her. And remember:
You are number 1
Good luck. LIFTING FIGHTING!
Holy shit why are you so awesome, you are like TL's resident love guru.
On June 22 2011 05:51 ILOVEKITTENS wrote: Where to begin? First of all, you do not need TL's help, or my help for that matter. But you asked for it, so I guess I will give it to you.
You're a gym-goer, so is she (probably). You two are hardbodies. Refer to the following reasons why you two are already on the same page:
Mac: I'm never going to admit that, Carmen. But come on, him? What do you see in this guy? Look at my body compared to his. I'm a hard body, you're a hard body. We could be hard bodies together.
She is into video games, and so are you. She appreciates the Lambda. This is like two nerds with Lambda Lambda Lambda shirts meeting at the mall. It was destiny.
You are both capable of saying "Hello," to each other. Although, technically, she could be doing it just because of her job. Let's ignore that for now.
The glances you are picking up on can mean nothing or everything, but sitting at home and thinking about it won't get you any closer to resolution. Exchanging greetings and doing nothing after that also doesn't. I suggest you approach this in the only sensible manner, an under-used technique that has been passed down through the ages - I call it "Conversation." Before you start popping Tylenols to control your blood pressure, RELAX. The only reason that this "Conversation" might seem overwhelming in your mind is because subconsciously you think that you are putting all your money on one chip in roulette, closing your eyes, and hoping you hit gold. This is the wrong mentality. Seduction isn't gambling, or all-ining in StarCraft. Seduction is an elegant dance of words and gestures.
So, let me re-iterate. This one conversation you are mandated (by me) to have with this girl is not the be-all-end-all chat of your life. The guillotine will not be dropped depending on your performance, your testicles will still be there (allbeit a little more full of sperm... or not, depending on your steroid use), and even if you just come off as some boring geek who has no tact, the worst thing that can happen is that you are left where you started. She won't hate you, you won't be socially mocked and ostracized due to your lack of tact. You have to INTENTIONALLY do something OFFENSIVE to get to that point. So, where's all this pressure coming from?
It's coming from you. By telling yourself you have low confidence and low experience with women, you believe that you are somehow WORSE OFF than every other guy in the world. Spoiler alert: everyone starts off as a noob. You have to grind through the initial shortcomings you face with determination, until you've learned enough to make solid progress. Be confident in the fact that to make a positive impression on her, all you have to do is have one conversation with her in which she doesn't blow her brains out or slap you afterwards. I think even someone with self-professed lack of confidence can pull that off. I have faith in you. I have confidence in you.
At this point, you don't even know if she is single, what her likes and dislikes are (besides N64 and HL), or who she fucking is in general. Those are your first priorities.
Conversation is like an essay, in the sense that it has to flow logically from a to b. However, if you think ahead, you will be able to guide the conversation in the direction you want. For example:
1. Talk about the gym/working out, whether she enjoys it or not (this is a very normal conversation openner in her life, will be totally under the radar)
2. Ask her what ELSE she likes to do when she's not working there, maybe branch off of her previous comments about gaming ("I was playing my friends N64 the other day and remembered you mentioning it, what was your favorite game? Oh, that's a good one, personally I prefer xxxxx because of yyyyyy, have you ever tried it?") *note: no one wants to be interrogated. but everyone wants to talk about themselves. so balance your personal input with hers, but at the same time you should be the one gently guiding the conversation. your goal is to know her better by the end of it, and for her to know you better.
3. After discussing both of your hobbies, try to figure out what would be a good first thing for you two to do together or at least something that gets you closer to that. If you both like drinking, go to a bar. If you both like videogames, bring her a video game next time and tell her to try it out. The possibilities are endless. Basically, do something that will involve you two with each other more than just customer and customer service representative. *note: it's her job to keep you company at the smoothie bar or whatever, but it's also her job to serve other people. don't drag on for too long. say something "I'll stop boring you and let you serve your other customers, I think that guy is in dire need of protein" or something similar if you feel like you have been holding her up. pick the conversation back up next time you see she is free. if you see that she is busy, don't start trying to hold a conversation with her, you will just annoy her, wait for a better time or day. if you are feeling bold and your conversation up until this has been good, say something like "I can tell you're busy so I don't want to hold you up, but I would love to talk to you more when you're free to talk. When do you get off work?"
4. Use this as a foundation for the next conversation you have with her. Just passing by and saying "hello," is still okay (you don't want to be a nag, in the event that she isn't yet interested in you, and you just try to talk to her every day... don't do that). But, once in a while, sit down and have a chat with her. It will be much easier after you do it once, with purpose! The first time, you were clearly caught off-guard.
I recommend you do this ASAP, since it's already been a while since you guys had a talk. She's probably written you off as uninterested, non-issue, in her mind. Time to show some interest in her. And remember:
You are number 1
Good luck. LIFTING FIGHTING!
I fucking love this guy, TL needs to give him a star seriously.
Artemis, the longer you delay, the more you're going to suffer from pedestal syndrome. You're going to keep elevating herself above you and never muster the courage to strike up a conversation.
ILOVEKITTENS is the new baller. Soon we'll be able to make a compilation, and add a new TL commandment "If you are going to open a girl blog, please take a look at ILK's girls guide"
lol ILOVEKITTENS what a boss. but seriously. you can take a day off laddering? "hey" "hello" "what will it be?" "orange bananaramma" "coming right up." "long shift today?" "not too bad 5 hours." "when do you finish?" "5 oclock." "That's a good time. If you don't have any plans do you want to grab a coffee after work?" "oh.. *pout* i have dinner with my family tonight......" (gosh darn) "no problem. why don't you give me your number. ill take a rain check for some other time." "okay! its PRO-FIT-555" "sweet sauce i'm a baler peace."
the inconvenience of course is making yourself available for when ever she gets off work. this is not how i would do it but its more laid back no pressure. its better than saying some time u kno? pick a time. hope you have a car.
You need to scout it out and see what she has, wants, dreams etc...
if she is your type, then you macro accordingly. Don't send those zerglings out to early else you will be left defenseless, nor do you wanna wait too long else you achieved nothing.
Do what ILK said, and from there use your instincts. Talk to her, find her interests, make her have a "good time" so that way there is a reason for her to invest time to you. When that happens its a gg from her and all those mineral fields are all left for you
EPT
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I may be able to offer some advice on your shyness issue in approaching / furthering your relationship with said girl. In line with the 'nothing ventured nothing gained' philosophy I go a little step further and forcibly convince myself that the outcome of said venture is entirely irrelevant because in all likelihood a similar (or possibly greater) opportunity will arise at some point. Although this may not be entirely true or you may not feel that way at the time, just go out of your way to convince yourself of it somehow - even if only temporarily, I personally found it to be the best way to reduce nerves / shyness. Also when you do talk to her again, or ask her out, remember that although confidence is good, over-confidence and cockiness is extremely bad so try to keep that in mind when balancing how you act / converse 
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