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Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
May 30 2011 16:14 GMT
#41
Great job casting the NASL. Also like your 12 weeks series and will be looking forward to future episodes.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
May 30 2011 16:16 GMT
#42
did an awesome job bitters Very impressive.
Crahptacular
Profile Joined December 2008
United States295 Posts
May 30 2011 16:34 GMT
#43
IMO the difference between biased sports casting and biased SC2 casting is that in the latter case the bias almost always involves talking about balance/imbalance (whether joking or not), while in the former it's entirely about the people/teams playing. I don't think anyone has a big problem with you being a July fanboy or being super-excited to cast a Boxer game. More people have issues with casters making comments about whether or not the game is balanced, and I think those complaints are legitimate. A caster for a tournament saying the platform of the tournament is inherently biased towards certain players compromises the legitimacy of the tournament. While I understand that a lot of your "bias" was simply joking around, and I don't personally have a problem with it at all, I can see where complaints might come from.

On the subject of analysis/calling things wrongly/misspeaking, I really think nit-picky feedback about these kinds of mistakes are pretty unimportant. I can't speak for everyone, but usually when I criticize casters it's based on the overall feeling of the cast. If I find them boring, or annoying, or whatever else, I begin picking apart everything they say. If they're exciting and engaging, I pass over mistakes because I'm still enjoying the experience. As far as analysis goes (like your bad call in Cloud's game) the negative response (if I didn't like you as a caster to start with) would be "this guy's an idiot," while the positive one would be "well, at least he's actively engaged in the game instead of just saying what he sees." So if there's a lot of nit-picky comments, it's probably indicative of something else people aren't liking about the cast; don't stress over making individual mistakes like that. Of course there's also some casters that miss things going on in the game, make statements that are blatantly false, and display really really poor understanding of the game, but I think you know that you're not one of those casters.

In any case I really enjoyed your casting. You built up good chemistry with Gretorp impressively quickly, gave valuable analysis (in zerg games at least! ) and seemed very genuine, which is one of the least mentioned but most important parts of casting IMO.
Fiel
Profile Joined March 2010
United States587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 17:56:47
May 30 2011 16:35 GMT
#44
I loved watching you at NASL Mr. Bitter. I have seen your stream, and you are a damn fine Zerg player. I'm only Platinum Zerg and I do look up to you. Keep fighting for the Swarm!

Positive Criticisms:
- I really like how calm your voice sounds. It's so easy to listen to and is very relaxing.
- Your analysis of ZvX is top notch, and especially your ability to look back on a ZvX matchup and state what the Zerg did wrong/right.
- Zerg bias is just fine. Just try to encourage Gretorp to have some Terran bias as well so you can have some friendly banter on stage. If your bias and Gretorp's bias cancel each other out it comes across as fun and not as whiny. Example: GRETORP: "After watching that game you can't tell me burrowed banelings are overpowered." MRBITTER: "I dunno, orbital command maphacks 3 minutes into the game is pretty nice!" Then go on with the analysis.
- I really like it when you disagree with Gretorp. When both of you think different things are going to happen it increases my interest in the game because I want to see which is correct. This is especially good when both sides have valid criticism of the game. If you two always agree it's boring.

Neutral Criticism:
- Your job is not to be a perfect caster with 100% good analysis. Your job is to bring excitement to the game. Have you ever seen Korean commentators for Brood War? I have no idea what they're saying but they are exciting and fun to listen to. When you're excited and invigorated by the game, we as viewers are excited and invigorated about the game. I'm sure you watched TSL3 final match. Did you see how Day[9] finished off the series? It was orgasmic and he didn't even do any in-depth analysis. The energy given off by the casters is contagious and definitely increases enjoyment of the game more than any in-depth analysis could.
- Also, look at Tasteosis. I'd say at least 33% of the time they're just joking around or having fun on the set and not even commentating the game. But if they're having fun, I'm having fun too. In-depth analysis is not the end-all-be-all of game commentating.
- Being wrong is fine as well. When the players prove you wrong, get excited about it, "I can't BELIEVE that he was able to make that push! That was amazing." I don't expect myself to be perfect all the time, and I don't expect you to be perfect either. Being wrong is a part of being human and I can respect that. The only thing I can't respect is being blatantly wrong. I didn't see you do that though, so it's all cool.

Negative Criticisms:
- Pre-game and post-game you didn't look at the camera enough! When you weren't talking with Gretorp you would stare off into space or at your computer screen. I felt like you paid more attention to the game and Gretorp than to me.
- Post-game is also a good time not only to state what the losing player did wrong but what the winning player did right/wrong. I remember during one game you said, "Zerg only has 45 drones. That's not enough for Hive tech" but then never went on to state how race X capitalized on those errors. How did Zerg end up with 45 drones? Also, could the match have ended minutes earlier if the winner had done X?
- As you mentioned, your analysis of PvT/P and TvT are lacking. However, you can still use your own logic to figure out what they're doing which I'm glad you did.
- "There were a couple times when I would make a call, and immediately think to myself "oh God that was so wrong" but when you're being recorded, and when the game is live, you can't really go back and undo those mistakes." <-- I definitely disagree with you there. Go back and correct what you said. The worst thing you can do is let your viewers know that you make silly mistakes or observations and try to cover them up by not talking about them. I think you feel this way because you felt uncomfortable casting. "What if I make a mistake?" The important thing is that it doesn't matter so much. If you screw up, go back and correct the mistake and you'll come across as more genuine and real rather than a guy who's walking on pins and needles trying not to make a mistake. It is admirable, though, that you care how your viewers see you.

I really look forward to seeing you cast more games. You definitely have a lot of potential but there are some things you still need to work on. Whatever you do, just don't give up.
thirnaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden876 Posts
May 30 2011 18:55 GMT
#45
I think you did amazing, I also think what you said about Gretorp is 100% true, watching him play on his stream with a bit of commentary by himself its just amazing how he notice all the little things.
So yeah... good job commentating, hopefully we'll see you as a commentator in a tournament again soon! (:
SlayerS_MMA and TL #1
doffe
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden636 Posts
June 02 2011 08:09 GMT
#46
You did an awsome job. You are one of the best commentators in the scene right now imo. Id love to see an MLG with Day9, Chill, DJwheat and MRbitter as the 4 rotating casters.
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
June 02 2011 09:26 GMT
#47
The commentating is starting to get really good. Gretorp seems to be getting more comfortable and he did awesome with incontrol today. His analysis is getting even better and he's going even more in depth on stuff.

You did awesome with gretorp and I was surprised. You two seemed to mesh together well and it was a breath of fresh air after watching gretorp and incontrol the previous weeks. Gretorp is getting better over time and today he and incontrol did awesome. It's was too bad the stream went down.

I wouldn't worry too much about the mistakes you made with the analysis. Incontrol butchers tvt all the time but honestly I don't think many people really understand everything that's going on there or who will win in the battles. We think the same thing you do a lot. Also you're in masters so you're already in the top 98-99% of players right? I have yet to notice a top master or gm complaining about the casting on gsl or nasl.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
June 07 2011 02:55 GMT
#48
Dear Mister Bitter
I want to encourage you to go your way in esports. I've enjoyed your casting a lot and am currently watching your 12 weeks to boost my own zerg play. I would not have thought that this was your first experience in casting on camera, so now i'm even more impressed. From reading your blog i think you're clever enough to see most of your possibilities to improve.
I want to give a concrete feedback though: Between the games you've got a somehow strange way of looking into the camera. I don't really know what makes me feel that but it's like you're looking at the camera like at a object, while the other casters Gretorp and Incontrol kind of speak to me, the viewer. Maybe try to look into the camera as if there were people or souls inside that thing.

Keep up the excellent work and good luck for your future!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 08 2011 17:59 GMT
#49
You're pretty good at casting imo. Sometimes a bit awkward on camera where you look at some random point which is neither the camera nor your screen nor gretorp =) But that's not a big deal and easy to solve.
About the whiney part, that wasn't bad either, because you did it in a humorous, 2nd degree way. I found it pretty funny, and usually I hate all kind of balance talk. Being biased can be good when you assume your bias and play with it, it's not cool when you act like your bias is the reality. But that didn't happened, at least I didn't felt that way.

In short : good job.
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