I would fight it via the administration. You really have nowhere to go but up and it sounds to me like the prof just doesn't care enough to take a closer look at it. The only way you'll get him to care is if you get the administration to look at it and breathe down his neck to fix it.

Phant

United States737 Posts

May 07 2011 20:20 GMT

#63

Welcome to the harsh truth of project teams.

In my entire college career i've had a single good team. So what I do is I do the entire damn project myself, all of it, every last page, graph, calculation.

I still tell my teammates to do their part, and they usually send me an email with their work a few hours before class with all the wrong answers (of course). Since most teachers take points away from teammates who do nothing, I can get revenge.

I have been able to get about 10-12 teammates F's in a class because of their poor work, making them retake it next quarter and completely screwing up their flow chart (VICTORY! i've gotten A's in all those classes btw) On the occasion where I couldn't get them a failing grade, they would end up with Cs or Ds. I've had 4 people total who actually deserved the same grade I did (3 were from that 1 group I told you was actually decent).

Typically at the end of a project you will have a presentation to give. This is where your hard work truly shines. Almost every professor I have gives individual grades for your part of the presentation (project is group grade). Rehearse well and knock it out of the ball park, and when your pathetic partners stutter and forget their words, just sit back and relax knowing you have won!

You will have to work your butt off in order to solo a team project, but believe me, it is SO WORTH IT.

unkkz

Norway2196 Posts

May 07 2011 21:13 GMT

#64

On May 08 2011 04:14 sikyon wrote:
I would fight it via the administration. You really have nowhere to go but up and it sounds to me like the prof just doesn't care enough to take a closer look at it. The only way you'll get him to care is if you get the administration to look at it and breathe down his neck to fix it.

Yes i went to see the head of the department and i'm waiting for his answer. He understood what i meant etc but he didnt take any standpoint or anything, but he's gonna look into it.

On May 08 2011 05:20 phant wrote:
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I'm not looking to screw my partners over for this assignment or anything, i knew their work wasn't very optimal, but i figured i was safe due to the individual grading stuff so i didn't tell them to step it up or anything since i figured if they actually cared a bit they would do better.

I did however screw my partners over for an earlier group assignment this semester. They were awfull and the stuff they wrote was so bad i didnt even know what to do with myself. This class was also individiually graded(and it actually was) and i had that confirmed when i called the professor in a panic after my buddies in that project hadn't done squat with 5 days left to deadline. So i never told them about the individual grading(they thought everyone in the group got the same grade).

So i meet up with them the remaining 5 days and they rush some terrible stuff out, we write out a report of who did what and we hand it in.

So we have our presentation, they stutter and pretty much don't know much. The professor knowing i've done pretty much all of it asks how the workload was distributed etc and both of them say "fairly even you know, we worked really well together!" and i smile a bit on the inside. And after the presentation i stay behind for a bit and update my professor about everything(he already knew half of it since i called him in panic after they hadn't done squat) telling him how terrible i think the stuff they've written is and how i had to babysit them through everything telling them what to write about and stuff. After i get my grade they are up next, i just walk out and go home. Don't know what grade they got but im betting on both getting F's or one of them an E and the other an F. Damn that felt good, fucking leeches.

haduken

Australia8267 Posts

May 08 2011 04:34 GMT

#65

The problem with group assignment is that you almost never ever get people who care the same, who have the same abilities, who have the same scheduling as you.

I was matched with some commerce/business system students for a project that I had to do and surprise surprise they don't know jack shit about coding and they enrolled this as an elective and don't care if they just get a pass.

I got them to write the documentation, easier shit right I thought considering all they ever do is write reports for half their classes.

Turned out one of them can't spell or understand grammar even though English is his native language.

Another one even suggested we copy previous year's assignment and gave me assurance that nothing will go wrong and it's not the first time they've done it. FUCKING commerce students.

Another project and I get to match with a post grad / working part time student who disappears and I'm shitting blood trying to get the project out, 2 days before due date, one of them come back with a working and seriously the best fucking code I've seen during my school year (Apparently he rushed out in 3 nights), he seriously wouldn't trust anyone else to do the work even though I sent him 20 emails every week saying please allocate work or communicate. I got good grades on this one due to his work but seriously I learned jack shit.

I care about grades so I wasn't complaining but seriously what happened to education? If the purpose of group assignment is to teach you about team work then 1 maybe 2 is enough, but when you get it in every single semester it's too much.

They let every man and his dog into uni these days, either match students according to their ability or up the level of entrance seriously.

unkkz

Norway2196 Posts

May 09 2011 13:07 GMT

#66

So the head of the department got back to me today. And he pretty much said the same thing, he spoke to my proffessor who then said that the project was nothing more then a D, and that other people had recieved different grades based on performance, and mine wasn´t warranting a raise. In other words, he says i my code is a D. I´ve shown my code to master students, to people with master degrees in computer science, they all say it´s not even close to a D for what the class teaches/requires.

I am simply at a loss at what to do here, if i deliver a formal protest i have to get my group mates to protest with me(they are happy with their grades). And if i do, it will probably be judged the same retarded way again. It all just feels so goddamn hopeless and i am beyond pissed. First time i complain about a grade aswell and i get completelly stone walled, 0 will to even take a second look at it from anyone i´ve asked. Just dont know what to do.

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