EPTGot unfair grade on exam, where do i go from here? - Page 2
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QuanticHawk
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On May 06 2011 07:45 Hawk wrote: Why would you expect to get a different grade than you group members in a group project?? Furthermore, if you recognized that the art or other aspects were subpar, why the hell didn't you say something?? Because it was a group project, but as i have pointed out about five times now, including in the OP, the grades were to be set individualy based on what each member did. I did no graphics work, hence why should i be judged for the graphics? I did the coding and logical parts. And i didnt mention it so much since A. Grading was individual B. I was already sorta carrying the project to some extend and i had loads of other stuff to do. I can't do/decide everything, people need to see some things for themselves. And it doesn't look OMGWTF terrible, it could've looked better ofcourse, but flash games generally don't look visually stunning. The graphics is allright with room for improvements. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On May 06 2011 07:45 Hawk wrote: Why would you expect to get a different grade than you group members in a group project?? Furthermore, if you recognized that the art or other aspects were subpar, why the hell didn't you say something?? The one grading it should know the workload as we wrote a report about it and filled out a form of how we divided the workload, i think it said i did 80% of the code or so. Ninja'd | ||
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
Negotiating for a grade is not a big deal. As other people have said, it's your best bet, and if you've been honest about things and your prof isn't a total d-bag, you'll get a grade change. Print out your code and staple your classes and such together so it stays organized. Go to the prof's office hours or set up a private meeting. Explain that you did the majority/all of the coding, as that sheet you turned in had stated. Say you were really disappointed when you received a D, because you felt you had invested a lot of time and effort, even going beyond the requirements to write really excellent code. Show him your code and ask if he can either re-evaluate your grade, or explain why you have the grade you have. ??? Profit. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On May 06 2011 07:54 RedJustice wrote: @Hawk-- He said the grading system was such that his grade would be solely based on the parts of the project he did... not impacted by his partners' work in any way. Negotiating for a grade is not a big deal. As other people have said, it's your best bet, and if you've been honest about things and your prof isn't a total d-bag, you'll get a grade change. Print out your code and staple your classes and such together so it stays organized. Go to the prof's office hours or set up a private meeting. Explain that you did the majority/all of the coding, as that sheet you turned in had stated. Say you were really disappointed when you received a D, because you felt you had invested a lot of time and effort, even going beyond the requirements to write really excellent code. Show him your code and ask if he can either re-evaluate your grade, or explain why you have the grade you have. ??? Profit. Yeah i guess it's not that big of a deal, i mean not like my grade can get that much worse. But thanks for the tips guys, will definately go see my proffesor tomorrow and in a calm and sensible manner ask why i recieved a crappy grade. | ||
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RedJustice
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QuanticHawk
United States32159 Posts
Still, if you knew it was subpar... why not say something?? if you go and ask you'll at least get an explanation, so do that | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On May 06 2011 08:31 Hawk wrote: I read the whole thing and my mind skipped over that. So uh yeah, my bad. that's some wonky grading system though. Still, if you knew it was subpar... why not say something?? Well, it doesn't/wouldn't affect me all that much due to the grading. And I was already doing most of the work with alot of other assignments to do so i kinda cba to run the entire project sorta, plus i tend to shy away from conflicts so couldn't really be bothered with it. But again i overexagerated a bit, its not extremely terrible looking, its ok with room for some improvements. And i like the grading system, since nothings worse then getting a terrible group that just doesn't do any work and drags you down with them, which has happened to everyone atleast once i am sure. | ||
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darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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stalife
Canada1222 Posts
However, I strongly recommend that you get partners who are dedicated to learning and not people "who are in it just to pass". When you go see your prof to talk about the assignment/grading, I'm sure he/she will be helpful to you when you approach politely. Be confident about your assignment and just ask what you could have done better. If he/she gives you a better grade, then that's a bonus. If not, then just move on and find better partners. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On May 06 2011 08:52 darklordjac wrote: Hey can I see the code? Sent you a PM. | ||
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HentaiPrime
Canada85 Posts
Just make it appear like you feel you should have done much better and hope for the best. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On May 06 2011 08:57 stalife wrote: In the overall picture, one assignment won't be worth anything to you. However, I strongly recommend that you get partners who are dedicated to learning and not people "who are in it just to pass". When you go see your prof to talk about the assignment/grading, I'm sure he/she will be helpful to you when you approach politely. Be confident about your assignment and just ask what you could have done better. If he/she gives you a better grade, then that's a bonus. If not, then just move on and find better partners. The one assignment is 100% of the grade. So i get a D on it, my grade for the entire course is.. D! Partners theoreticly shouldn't matter due to the way grading is supposed to work. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On May 06 2011 09:13 HentaiPrime wrote: I'm a TA, and when i grade (as well as many other TAs) i try to get it out of the way as soon as possible. Profs are even more busy with so many other things that are more important, so it's possible he just overlooked some of the strengths of your assignment. Just make it appear like you feel you should have done much better and hope for the best. Yes im hoping it was just overlooked somehow, but i mean the class average was a B, and normally the class average is in the C. My group are 3 of 6 people that got a D, all the other 42 students got C or better. Something that just doesn't make sense to me, maybe my code is absolutely horrible but i really dont feel that it is, i wont know for sure until tomorrow though. On May 06 2011 08:58 travis wrote: I would get pissed off and not let it go, because that is ridiculous. If the professor isn't reasonable then take it to the dean. Well i agree with that and i will try and take it as far as possible, just hoping i dont have to. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
If you think you did a good job then screw the grade you got and keep working on your game. Add the graphics yourself, extend the functionality, etc. No one will be impressed at some half-baked program, particularly if you say "well my partners were slackers and didn't do their part". Next time, if you care about the grade then do exactly what the teacher asks of you and don't get carried away in minor stuff, if you get stuck with shitty partners then say something or learn how to manage your time and your tasks better to do them all yourself. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On May 06 2011 09:17 Cloud wrote: Ask your professor and state your reasons politely about why you think you deserve a better grade, if it doesn't work the first time then suck it up and forget about it. Going further will most likely do more harm than good unless you have enough leverage (reputation, well-liked by the admins, etc.), and it's bad engineering etiquette anyway. Complaining about a bad grade is bad engineering etiquette? Im a media design student btw so, this is like the second programming class we have. We had a basic HTML/PHP one first semester and wont have any more. If you think you did a good job then screw the grade you got and keep working on your game. Add the graphics yourself, extend the functionality, etc. No one will be impressed at some half-baked program, particularly if you say "well my partners were slackers and didn't do their part". I'm not complaining about my partners, they did one part of the game i did another. What they did shouldn´t affect me in any way according to the course since grading was individual. What i am complaining about is that i feel as if i was overlooked, since i feel my work was way better then theirs and i also did alot more, hence my individual grade should be better, but it isn't. Next time, if you care about the grade then do exactly what the teacher asks of you and don't get carried away in minor stuff, if you get stuck with shitty partners then say something or learn how to manage your time and your tasks better to do them all yourself. The teacher asked us to make a game, i coded a game. Not much else to it. The code is (imo) solid and good. Again, im not complaining about my partners since for like the 10th time, grading was individual. On May 06 2011 09:21 shinosai wrote: That's why I hate group work. If you get a bad grade either your group members suck or they inadvertently blame you. Either way professors that assign group work should die in a fire. The very nature of the work is luck based. Yes i am never a fan of group work, especially since i live a fair distance from campus and you often get screwed. But again, individual grading hurp di derp. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On May 06 2011 09:53 Cloud wrote: It's bad etiquette to keep complaining or going behind your immediate superior's back in a matter that's already settled. And maybe you're right about deserving a better grade, but I swear no teacher will ever grade you well in a group assignment that was delivered incompletely. Despite all the claims about individual gradings. It would make group work irrelevant. It´s a complete functioning game with graphics, animations and sound. It is not incomplete in any shape or form, the only exception being a very minor bugg. | ||
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