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Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
May 03 2011 10:37 GMT
#1
and Korean is Japanese... according to the people who run own3d.tv

So there I was, setting up my stream for the KT vs Oz match after tbrown47's stream had died because of a BSOD. I linked it to a friend to test for framerate, since I'd just updated xsplit. He tells me it's been banned!

I'm sitting there wondering why.. and a few minutes later, I get an e-mail from support@own3d.tv:
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Hello,

We unfortunately had to block your channel due to a violation of our Terms of Use. You were streaming copyright material. You also cannot restream streams from other websites. (Such as GOMTV, etc.)

Please read our Terms of Use and be sure to only stream gaming content. This will be our first warning. We will remove the Block soon. Please be careful in the future.

Here is the link to our Terms of Use: http://www.own3d.tv/content/1/#policy_terms

Regards,
own3D.tv Support


As I was surprised, I replied with the following: "I'd like to know what the content was on my channel that was copyrighted. Thanks." and received a reply a bit later:
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Hello ----,

From the information we have you were restreaming a game from another stream, as well as restreaming GOMTV. This is against our rules. Restreaming things like ESL, GOMTV, etc., is forbidden. They have their own channels and they will stream to own3D.tv if they wish. We tend to keep our rules simple, keep the content of your streams game-related, and make sure you don't stream content from other streams.

I have removed the ban from your stream. Please be careful in the future.

Regards,
Jason Babo
Customer Support Manager

jb@own3D.tv
www.own3D.tv

own3D Entertainment GmbH
Währinger Straße 61
1090 Wien
Austria

Well, I was curious what they thought I was streaming, so I fired off another reply quickly:
"That is absolutely false information. I at no time had anything to do with GOMTV and I would like a screenshot, video clip, or other proof of this. I stream BW only."
and received this reply:
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We don't usually take screenshots. But that is a good idea and I will enforce that from now on. We have a very small team, there is no reason for us to make up these stories. From the note I have here, your stream was locked because you were restreaming an SC2 game (commentated in Japanese we believe) and you also had a small window with a GOMTV stream on the bottem right corner. I'm not sure if it was you or someone streaming to your stream, but it's the report we have.

In any case, I have removed the ban and removed the warning as well. We only ask that you be careful in the future, and if you have done nothing that was reported, I will speak to my team and make sure they were not mistaken. And again, if you did not do what was reported, then you should not have to worry about it as you shouldn't be banned again.


Regards,
Jason Babo
Customer Support Manager

jb@own3D.tv
www.own3D.tv

own3D Entertainment GmbH
Währinger Straße 61
1090 Wien
Austria


Apparently BW and SC2 look so similar that they can be confused, and Korean is Japanese! I was streaming OGN during the Reach vs Anytime match (Set 1) and had MBC in PiP with Hyun vs Bogus. I'm not sure how they thought it was SC2, as I personally don't think they very similar at all. I can understand people not knowing the difference between different languages that they have no exposure to, but I think the images and sounds alone would give away that it isn't SC2. Not to mention, the logo for OGN and MBC look nothing like the GOM logo. Oh well, guess I'll be moving to JTV with all the other BW streamers.

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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 10:43:38
May 03 2011 10:41 GMT
#2
Well at least they aren't idiots like GOM/Livestream, and handled it fast and respectfully.
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
May 03 2011 10:41 GMT
#3
JustinTV, YAY.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 03 2011 10:42 GMT
#4
It's pretty hilarious. I would like a word with the guy who reported you.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
May 03 2011 10:42 GMT
#5
Justin.tv is by far the best right now and this just seals the deal. Reminds me of the livestream banning grobyc (ironicly he changed to own3d.tv...we'll see how long that lasts tho now LOL).

Justin.tv has gone out of their way to make their product great for gaming streams and afaik haven't banned any BW streamers.

pretty funny how he's like "WE WOULDN"T MAKE THIS STUFF UP"
lololol
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28785 Posts
May 03 2011 10:50 GMT
#6
I think the way that guy handled your emails was very fine and considering he removed the ban and the warning, I don't understand why you'd be so hell-bent on moving!
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Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
May 03 2011 10:55 GMT
#7
I do agree that they handled it quite professionally, but I would rather not risk someone mistaking a BW stream for SC2 again. It was probably an honest mistake, but if the person checking the stream doesn't know the difference between BW and SC2, it could potentially happen again.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
May 03 2011 10:56 GMT
#8
On May 03 2011 19:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think the way that guy handled your emails was very fine and considering he removed the ban and the warning, I don't understand why you'd be so hell-bent on moving!


Yeah .. Mistakes can happen. Give them a 2nd chance.
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
May 03 2011 11:00 GMT
#9
I welcome all BW JTV streams with open arms :D
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
May 03 2011 11:03 GMT
#10
On May 03 2011 19:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think the way that guy handled your emails was very fine and considering he removed the ban and the warning, I don't understand why you'd be so hell-bent on moving!


I kind of agree with this, but at the same time I would not risk it. What if Musou is the only guy streaming MSL finals or something big like that, and his stream suddenly gets banned because they think it is a GSL restream? I wouldn't risk that.
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FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 11:04:35
May 03 2011 11:03 GMT
#11
YEAH JTV FTW!

Damn Australia and its shitty net *sigh*

EDIT: Too bad there doesn't seem to be any direct influence from GOM otherwise we'd have another 'Thanks GOM' thread =( Shame, i wouldn't mind bashing them again =P
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
May 03 2011 11:12 GMT
#12
They get props for handling better than whatever grobyc got banned from. I also agree with your decision to not take any chances and switch.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6054 Posts
May 03 2011 11:18 GMT
#13
Sounds like they didn't make anything up, but the guy who reported you did and their alarm bells went off.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
May 03 2011 11:35 GMT
#14
--- Nuked ---
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
May 03 2011 11:49 GMT
#15
Imo they made a little mistake but handled it very well. Their mails seem friendly and their replies seem to come fast. I would see no reason to switch over to JTV as long as this does not happen again
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 03 2011 11:53 GMT
#16
Ya, the guy who replied to your mails and handled this did it all quite classy. But the one who reported you should get a serious fucking reprimand for his incompetence.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
May 03 2011 12:01 GMT
#17
While this does seem to have been handled very quickly and professionally, this part still concerns/confuses me:

On May 03 2011 19:37 Musou wrote:
We don't usually take screenshots. But that is a good idea and I will enforce that from now on. We have a very small team, there is no reason for us to make up these stories.


That is a good idea? Really? The fact that they've been operating for so long and (presumably) banning other streams without taking screenshots as proof is very strange to me. Sure, I understand they have a small team, but does it really take that long to hit PrtScn and copy/paste into Paint?
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9532 Posts
May 03 2011 12:02 GMT
#18
On May 03 2011 20:03 Arnstein wrote:
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On May 03 2011 19:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think the way that guy handled your emails was very fine and considering he removed the ban and the warning, I don't understand why you'd be so hell-bent on moving!


I kind of agree with this, but at the same time I would not risk it. What if Musou is the only guy streaming MSL finals or something big like that, and his stream suddenly gets banned because they think it is a GSL restream? I wouldn't risk that.

Even worse, imagine if Musou was the only guy streaming (P)MANTOSSS playing and his stream suddenly gets banned? I wouldn't risk... oh wait.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
May 03 2011 12:26 GMT
#19
At least you're not banned and non-existing very highly classified screenshots are the only proof.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
May 03 2011 12:39 GMT
#20
Props to the guy who handle this from own3d.tv
Unlike those GOM/Livestream case.......
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
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