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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 07:34:53
May 03 2011 07:32 GMT
#1
Well, I've finally come to "Ladder Equilibrium" I've quelled my loss streak, and am sitting at around #20 diamond. Here are my thoughts on all my matchups. Maybe other people have had similar thoughts

TvT: I'm fairly comfortable in TvT. (Assuming they dont' sneak an expansion after rpxoying like 4 rax (replay included) Anyways, TvT is probably my strongest matchup right now due to it's positional play, and balance. I'm not saying other matchups are imbalanced, but it's really hard to fight late game zerg or a deathball. In TvT, on equal footing, I tend to do quite well with tank, marine, viking (well, I do get thors once on a zillion bases >.>)

TvP: I can't figure out what the heck I want to do in terms of an opening. 1 rax fe? 2 rax fe? Lzgamer push build. Tank marine raven pusH? I don't know, but it seems like if I manage to do quite a bit of damage early, I'll win. If I fail to do enough damage early, I just lose. I probably should drop more

Anyways, I"m having a lot of trouble once they get any number of Colossus out, and it's as good as over when they ahve out phoenixes. It's not imbalanced: I just fail at dealing with it.

TvZ: Strange matchup for me. I've been doing a build done by rootkitty, and I'm having fair success with it, but if the zerg manages to snap the push (generally through excellent creep spread) then I'm in a lot of trouble. I can't seem to keep up with a macro zerg (well, my marine splits are bad, and I never keep my tanks sieged when I should )

Anyways, I'm comfortable with the build, but not the execution.

but still, the biggest barrier between me and masters is macro Gaaaahhhhhhhh So bad.

Exercise

I'm incredibly sore but satisfied right now. I'm doing Starting Strength, and Starting to (gain) Strength, and am feeling generally better. Still have no muscle mass, but the exercise is quite fulfilling. And AP chem exam is over. It raped me, but it raped everyone. Yay for curving.

Also, mom is out of town so internet restriction is done. Which means I'm not sleeping. Gah. Time to sleep, and remember to not waste time

Replays
http://drop.sc/8835 Get stomped by phoenix colossus
http://drop.sc/8834 Win against some sort of one base build in TvP
http://drop.sc/8833 Push to victory: then am accused of OPness
http://drop.sc/8832 Facepalm TvT
http://drop.sc/8831 Other guy plays fairly well, snaps my push. I fail, and eventually lose to overwhelming macro.

**
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 07:47:48
May 03 2011 07:46 GMT
#2
For TvP, I think a good, all around strong build is to one rax CC then add 3 rax, adding one techlab for stim, then you start teching. Adding a quick engbay for fast +1 atk and a turret, then when +1 armor is half done, add a 2nd engbay and an armory to rush to +3+3. This build is resilient to every timing push from P, fast void ray with high ground warpin, 4 gates or 6 gates sentry push. You'll make a lot of marines in the early game, don't forget to use them if no push comes, my preferred use is to drop with them with my first 2 medivacs. That way you have a plan for how the game will go.
This build (or variations) were used by MKP and MVP during their GSL WC semi finals (free to watch on gomtv) and by Thorzain in TSL vs Tyler and MC if you want to see some examples.
GL
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
May 03 2011 11:02 GMT
#3
ap chem was a bitch especially part 2. I dont think i honestly learned half the stuff that was on it
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 03 2011 14:50 GMT
#4
On May 03 2011 20:02 Br3ezy wrote:
ap chem was a bitch especially part 2. I dont think i honestly learned half the stuff that was on it

I had SEEN most of it. But it was still a very difficult test. (CURVE)
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 04 2011 00:08 GMT
#5
Just went 5-2 on ladder. (too many games >.>)

Impressively though my last game I extracted some zerg rage.

OneAndOnly: you're bad
OneAndOnly has reconnected.
OneAndOnly: dcan you cheese less?
You: err
can you go like
OneAndOnly: i lost toa game
You: 30 hatch less?
OneAndOnly: with banshee
lolol
play me again
nub !@# diamond player
You: alright
you go super fast baneling nest
wouldy ou baneling bust me if I didn't wall
?
OneAndOnly: no you a!@#$%
bye
You: baneling nest at 4:30
bye
OneAndOnly: learn how to walled correctly than
scrub
You: learn how to stop banshees correctly
scrublet
OneAndOnly: lol
you funny kid bye
You: yaya bye
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
May 04 2011 00:13 GMT
#6
I didn't think AP chem was that bad!
Ran out of time a bit on the first free-answer bit though. I wish they'd give us time warnings.
DocM
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States212 Posts
May 04 2011 00:18 GMT
#7
none of the exercise will do much if you dont sleep to repair yourself...
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