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SC2: Time to strategize

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ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
April 25 2011 08:43 GMT
#1
Hi everyone, it's ionize yet again!

After I realized that I'm on silver league level in duels (see here), I've decided to stop playing 3v3 RT only and realy gain some experience in 1v1. I feel comfortable in 3v3 RT as there are two allies and my mistakes don't cost the game immediately, but it won't get me anywhere and I often enough fall for blaming the allies play instead of spotting my mistakes and work on them.

I've got a lot of time to think on the weekends as I'm with my girlfriend and don't play SC2. So I came up with the following ideas.

I want to play Random to learn a lot about each race, which will help me in 3v3 as well (as I'm not giving up on 3v3 RT! )

RekretSomething recommended the 4 gate strategy in case I get Protoss. And I would go for 1/1/1 whenever I end up playing Terran. If I random Zerg I would start playing with 7 Roach, Expand, Lair. What do you think? Are these three good basic BOs to start on? I would like to hear your opinion!

I guess I would just start playing 1v1 on Battle.net and learn the BOs from game to game. I don't have a lot of time to play so I would make every minute count, and I don't like playing the AI too much (the Campaign is an exception ).

Please feel free to comment on my ideas. I'm looking forward to your insights. Constructive criticism is always welcome!

Regards
ionize

PS.: Do you agree if I say that gaining new avatars through wins can be quite addictive?

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I just love video games, what's your excuse?
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
April 25 2011 08:49 GMT
#2
I think it depends on your style.
If you like playing more economic, like me, I like doing 15 hatch as Z, 2/3 rax expand as T, and depending on the matchup (obviously not PvP), Forge FE for PvZ and 2gate expo for PvT.

Do you like being more aggressive, or are you content with a macro game and rolling with a superior economy? ^^
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
April 25 2011 08:53 GMT
#3
Try as many different things as you can. Make tons of mistakes and learn from all of them. Trying to somehow follow the proper lines for aggressive or economic play are kind of meaningless if you don't first understand the general game because you won't be able to consistently make good decisions in games.

You are silver which to me means you are lacking some understanding in a big way. Try just outmining your opponents every game. Make that your main goal, get there however you want. Thats just imo! Most people went through their bad phase where they had to play mass games and study replays and read up on things to learn.
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Korinai
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada413 Posts
April 25 2011 08:57 GMT
#4
I must warn you, playing random is very hard. Most people only need to learn three matchups (one for each race), but if you're playing random you need to learn the ins and outs of all nine. You also mentioned that you don't have a lot of time, so I would maybe stick with one race.
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
Beforrrr
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium94 Posts
April 25 2011 09:17 GMT
#5
I think it's better to choose 1 race and learn it as good as u can. so there u will be able to see your mistakes better.
GLHF man!
go pro
ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
April 25 2011 09:44 GMT
#6
Thanks for your input so far. Korinai and Beforrrr, you are right by saying that it's harder to learn random and the thing with me having not a lot of time realy made me think for a moment. In my past games I played Protoss most of the time, so that would be my first choice.

@red.venom I take your comment to heart and try and play as many games as I can during my free time. I will also learn the basics as you recommend me to, so I will start out with worker production and keeping my minerals low, as I feel I'm lacking in that and often end up with a lot of unspend minerals and gas. Whenever I'm in a fight I lose focus on my macro and I realy need to learn to spend my money WHILE attacking.

@mizU I'm better in pumping units than playing aggressive. My micromanagement is bad and I'm not good at multitasking either, that's why I mainly focus on pumping units and A-click them around. As you can read above I mention that towards red.venom. It's like "when I do A I forget about doing B).
I just love video games, what's your excuse?
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
April 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#7
Memorizing three build orders is not strategizing.
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
April 25 2011 10:49 GMT
#8
On April 25 2011 18:45 Loanshark wrote:
Memorizing three build orders is not strategizing.
Touche!
But criticism without a constructive side to it is no criticism at all. So keep such comments to yourself next time around. I couldn't care less.
I just love video games, what's your excuse?
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