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On April 11 2011 08:52 Blyadischa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:30 JWD wrote:On April 11 2011 08:18 Blyadischa wrote:
I think the word rape and gay have transformed from their dictionary definitions. The problem is not that they have transformed, but people use it in their new socially accepted definition without being able to specifically define the word. The result is cognitive dissonance which results in a merging of the two definitions, this is bad. I think the solution of the issue is not to try and make people discontinue their use of such words (that task is much too difficult), but rather help them be aware that they are using it in a different context and to disassociate the physical act of raping and the act of "raping" someone in a game of SC2.
let's say for the purpose of argument that it's true that within the gaming community "rape" and "gay" do not actually have anything to do with rape or gayness (a position that's absurd on its face imo, but again, for the sake of argument). even if this was so, it's still not right to misuse the words because other, non-gaming type people wouldn't appreciate this "transformation" from dictionary definitions. and these people (mainstream regular people) are all people I wish wouldn't hesitate at getting into SC2 and its community. bottom line: it makes no sense to say "gamers talk differently so it's ok" when we all wish this game/scene/community would grow to include lots of people who aren't now gamers Well of course I don't think saying rape or gay is good around people who do not understand the definition that has evolved in certain social contexts, but I am taking about amongst people who do understand.
but on a public forum you're never only around "people who do understand". this is especially true of TL as SC2 becomes increasingly mainstream.
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Always a pleasure to read your blog!
I especially enjoyed the 1 minute of puberty
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On April 11 2011 08:48 Datum wrote:
How is the word "rape" offensive? I know it's hard to convey tone over the internet, but I'm not saying this in a challenging way at all. I'm just curious as to what aspect of the word turns people off.
I think the idea that using the word rape to celebrate dominance is misogynistic and disrespectful. Rape is fucking terrible. Yet you might think otherwise on internet message boards where the word is mostly used like this: "LOL destiny just RAPED that terran with banes! AWESOME!" To an outsider who isn't well versed in gaming lingo, using rape like that can be offensive -- and also alienating.
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On April 11 2011 08:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I like Florine a lot better than The Magic Place, never got into Burial.
you might really like him zulu. start out with Untrue ("Archangel" is what got me hooked).
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So excited for new Burial material
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muhammad ali video is so good haha
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On April 11 2011 08:47 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:39 DCLXVI wrote:On April 11 2011 08:30 JWD wrote:On April 11 2011 08:18 Blyadischa wrote:
I think the word rape and gay have transformed from their dictionary definitions. The problem is not that they have transformed, but people use it in their new socially accepted definition without being able to specifically define the word. The result is cognitive dissonance which results in a merging of the two definitions, this is bad. I think the solution of the issue is not to try and make people discontinue their use of such words (that task is much too difficult), but rather help them be aware that they are using it in a different context and to disassociate the physical act of raping and the act of "raping" someone in a game of SC2.
let's say for the purpose of argument that it's true that within the gaming community "rape" and "gay" do not actually have anything to do with rape or gayness (a position that's absurd on its face imo, but again, for the sake of argument). even if this was so, it's still not right to misuse the words because other, non-gaming type people wouldn't appreciate this "transformation" from dictionary definitions. and these people (mainstream regular people) are all people I wish wouldn't hesitate at getting into SC2 and its community. bottom line: it makes no sense to say "gamers talk differently so it's ok" when we all wish this game/scene/community would grow to include lots of people who aren't now gamers I personally use the words rape and gay with alternate meanings but only with a few very close friends. None of us have any connections to the words and feel free to use them to describe gaming situations. Is that still absurd that we can use these words with different meanings? I understand what you mean; you read my post to suggest that it's absurd for anyone to, e.g., say that hellions rape slow lings and not mean anything having to do with nonconsensual sex. That's not my position. I can sort of see how it might be possible for someone to use or read "rape" without himself immediately thinking of rape. But that doesn't mean the word has become completely divorced from its original meaning — the letters are still sitting there and 90% of the time they mean something different than a convincing win in a SC2 game. So: (and this is what I'm saying) it's absurd to say that the word "rape" might not actually have anything to do with rape. The image/allusion will always be there.
alright, perhaps try to not say things that you don't believe in i guess? I was just pointing out an example of how those words can be divorced from their meanings (in between friends, not with strangers especially online) because you said that such a thing was: "(a position that's absurd on its face imo)"
this isn't really related to your argument/crusade but i nitpick on details
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On April 11 2011 09:03 Hot_Bid wrote:
muhammad ali video is so good haha
Just finished watching it, brought tears to my eyes it was so good.
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Wait, so you shouldnt use "rape" because it is a heinous crime and might offend some people, but acceptable alternatives are "murder", "kill" and "massacre"?
If you don't think that the word "rape" should be used, then ok, but you kind of contradict your justifacation when you say that its perfectly acceptable to use those other words.
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Turns out that Kate Upton was also a great musician when she was younger too. She's lovely and talented  . Love your blog man keep it up!
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On April 11 2011 09:06 DCLXVI wrote:
I was just pointing out an example of how those words can be divorced from their meanings (in between friends, not with strangers especially online) because you said that such a thing was: "(a position that's absurd on its face imo)"
you did not point out an example of how those words can be divorced from their meanings. Again: when a gamer dude says to his gamer dude buddy "I totally raped you that game," even if it is true that he means nothing having to do with rape, the word "raped" is not divorced from its meaning. The image/allusion remains and will be perceived by most onlookers, even if it wasn't in the gamer's mind as he spoke.
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Teach nerds how to dress nice work love it!
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On April 11 2011 09:11 WinByDefault wrote:
Wait, so you shouldnt use "rape" because it is a heinous crime and might offend some people, but acceptable alternatives are "murder", "kill" and "massacre"?
If you don't think that the word "rape" should be used, then ok, but you kind of contradict your justifacation when you say that its perfectly acceptable to use those other words.
dang, I was waiting for this one.
yes, that rape is a heinous crime is one part of the reason it's probably uncouth to use it to describe a SC game. but maybe it was a mistake to mention that reason, because now you've fixated on it as the only or primary reason. It's obviously not. "rape" is differentiable from "murder" etc. because (1) it has nothing to do with what's actually happening in the game (2) outside a select club, it's not accepted to mean "trounce" or "beat convincingly" and (3) it implicates one sex as victim.
(come to think of it, your same point about "kill" and "murder" could also be made about "beat". there's clearly more going on here.)
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On April 11 2011 09:12 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 09:06 DCLXVI wrote:
I was just pointing out an example of how those words can be divorced from their meanings (in between friends, not with strangers especially online) because you said that such a thing was: "(a position that's absurd on its face imo)" you did not point out an example of how those words can be divorced from their meanings. Again: when a gamer dude says to his gamer dude buddy "I totally raped you that game," even if it is true that he means nothing having to do with rape, the word "raped" is not divorced from its meaning. The image/allusion remains and will be perceived by most onlookers, even if it wasn't in the gamer's mind as he spoke.
not if the only onlookers are "gamer dude buddies" who also use alternate meaning to the words. I don't think about the real meanings to the words and I doubt my friends do, we have just made them become different words. There is a reason why I only use alternate meanings around certain people and there is no one else who hears that.
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On April 11 2011 09:20 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 09:12 JWD wrote:On April 11 2011 09:06 DCLXVI wrote:
I was just pointing out an example of how those words can be divorced from their meanings (in between friends, not with strangers especially online) because you said that such a thing was: "(a position that's absurd on its face imo)" you did not point out an example of how those words can be divorced from their meanings. Again: when a gamer dude says to his gamer dude buddy "I totally raped you that game," even if it is true that he means nothing having to do with rape, the word "raped" is not divorced from its meaning. The image/allusion remains and will be perceived by most onlookers, even if it wasn't in the gamer's mind as he spoke. not if the only onlookers are "gamer dude buddies" who also use alternate meaning to the words. I don't think about the real meanings to the words and I doubt my friends do, we have just made them become different words. There is a reason why I only use alternate meanings around certain people and there is no one else who hears that.
Sure, but as I mentioned in a post above, it's never the case on a huge public forum (e.g. TL) that you're only surrounded by people you can be sure think exactly like you do.
I mean...what TLers do in private with their friends was never even an open topic here. I'm focused purely on how people express themselves in public (on these boards).
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On April 11 2011 09:11 bjornkavist wrote:Turns out that Kate Upton was also a great musician when she was younger too. She's lovely and talented . Love your blog man keep it up!
yeah man, I read about that on her wikipedia page. French horn I think? just gives me an even bigger crush.
thanks!
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New Burial EP is great...what else do you listen to? I lean torwards Burial/James Blake/Boards of Canada/AFX/ etc..anything else worth checking out?
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On April 11 2011 09:33 Sliver wrote:
New Burial EP is great...what else do you listen to? I lean torwards Burial/Boards of Canada/AFX/ etc..anything else worth checking out?
I'd love to be able to recommend you some stuff but tbh I know very little about this type of music (less than you, it seems, because I don't recognize "AFX"  )
some sort of similar stuff I like, though: Nosaj Thing is strong, Siriusmo's new album pretty good, HOLY OTHER has a couple really good singles, The Field, Ulrich Schnauss?, some Porcelain Raft, maybe check out Grimes + other witch house like SALEM. or what about Caribou? some Boards fans like them
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On April 11 2011 09:02 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 08:53 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I like Florine a lot better than The Magic Place, never got into Burial. you might really like him zulu. start out with Untrue ("Archangel" is what got me hooked).
I got Untrue when it first came out but it sounded a bit repetitive so I lost interest. Since then I've never been able to get into dubstep or whatever his genre is called. On the topic of instrumentals I'm really enjoying the Nicolas Jaar album. It's surprisingly intricate.
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