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Zim23
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Klive5ive
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Blyadischa
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TOCHMY
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On April 11 2011 08:18 Blyadischa wrote: I think the word rape and gay have transformed from their dictionary definitions. The problem is not that they have transformed, but people use it in their new socially accepted definition without being able to specifically define the word. The result is cognitive dissonance which results in a merging of the two definitions, this is bad. I think the solution of the issue is not to try and make people discontinue their use of such words (that task is much too difficult), but rather help them be aware that they are using it in a different context and to disassociate the physical act of raping and the act of "raping" someone in a game of SC2. let's say for the purpose of argument that it's true that within the gaming community "rape" and "gay" do not actually have anything to do with rape or gayness (a position that's absurd on its face imo, but again, for the sake of argument). even if this was so, it's still not right to misuse the words because other, non-gaming type people wouldn't appreciate this "transformation" from dictionary definitions. and these people (mainstream regular people) are all people I wish wouldn't hesitate at getting into SC2 and its community. bottom line: it makes no sense to say "gamers talk differently so it's ok" when we all wish this game/scene/community would grow to include lots of people who aren't now gamers | ||
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nailujk
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Z3kk
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
You know when you see one. And once again, one of the most consistently excellent blogs on the internet. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
On April 11 2011 08:30 JWD wrote: let's say for the purpose of argument that it's true that within the gaming community "rape" and "gay" do not actually have anything to do with rape or gayness (a position that's absurd on its face imo, but again, for the sake of argument). even if this was so, it's still not right to misuse the words because other, non-gaming type people wouldn't appreciate this "transformation" from dictionary definitions. and these people (mainstream regular people) are all people I wish wouldn't hesitate at getting into SC2 and its community. bottom line: it makes no sense to say "gamers talk differently so it's ok" when we all wish this game/scene/community would grow to include lots of people who aren't now gamers I personally use the words rape and gay with alternate meanings but only with a few very close friends. None of us have any connections to the words and feel free to use them to describe gaming situations. Is that still absurd that we can use these words with different meanings? | ||
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Percutio
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jax1492
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sickoota
Canada918 Posts
Also where do you usually go to for new music? Your supply of synthpop/chillwave seems nigh unending... Edit: I doubt the shoes are generic surplus, the big white patch seems pretty uncharacteristic of their stuff. | ||
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RushBoxer!
United States173 Posts
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viii
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On April 11 2011 08:39 DCLXVI wrote: I personally use the words rape and gay with alternate meanings but only with a few very close friends. None of us have any connections to the words and feel free to use them to describe gaming situations. Is that still absurd that we can use these words with different meanings? I understand what you mean; you read my post to suggest that it's absurd for anyone to, e.g., say that hellions rape slow lings and not mean anything having to do with nonconsensual sex. That's not my position. I can sort of see how it might be possible for someone to use or read "rape" without himself immediately thinking of rape. But that doesn't mean the word has become completely divorced from its original meaning — the letters are still sitting there and 90% of the time they mean something different than a convincing win in a SC2 game. So: (and this is what I'm saying) it's absurd to say that the word "rape" might not actually have anything to do with rape. The image/allusion will always be there. | ||
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Datum
United States371 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On April 11 2011 08:48 Datum wrote: How is the word "rape" offensive? I know it's hard to convey tone over the internet, but I'm not saying this in a challenging way at all. I'm just curious as to what aspect of the word turns people off. that's the thing; I don't find it offensive and am not saying it should be seen that way. "offensive" is a strong and loaded word. anyone who is actually seriously offended by the misuse of "rape" is probably being oversensitive. but I think misuse of "rape" is a symptom and element of gaming being an insular ultra-male culture, and surely must make some people external to that culture (most women, I'm thinking) uneasy about entering it (not offended but just uncomfortable). I can sympathize with/buy that uneasiness because despite being around SC for a long time I still cringe whenever I see "rape" misused, and sometimes think "man, there might be a lot of sort of insensitive people in this community, who don't consider how others might perceive their words". it's not a good feeling. | ||
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Blyadischa
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On April 11 2011 08:30 JWD wrote: let's say for the purpose of argument that it's true that within the gaming community "rape" and "gay" do not actually have anything to do with rape or gayness (a position that's absurd on its face imo, but again, for the sake of argument). even if this was so, it's still not right to misuse the words because other, non-gaming type people wouldn't appreciate this "transformation" from dictionary definitions. and these people (mainstream regular people) are all people I wish wouldn't hesitate at getting into SC2 and its community. bottom line: it makes no sense to say "gamers talk differently so it's ok" when we all wish this game/scene/community would grow to include lots of people who aren't now gamers Well of course I don't think saying rape or gay is good around people who do not understand the definition that has evolved in certain social contexts, but I am taking about amongst people who do understand. edit: saw your post 1. Sure it may make women uncomfortable, but it is a must for complete assimilation of the word's new definition. You won't be able to stop the transformation of the word, so why not encourage a use of it that is considerate of the previous definition and certain social contexts in which it would be completely inappropriate for the word's use? 2. People aren't insensitive about other people's feelings when they use rape. We use rape because it is understood that the social context of the internet is largely composed of men, and we know that 95% of the people we are talking to understand what we mean when we say 'rape'. I would not use the word when the word isn't understood and would be offensive, of course, but to say that we should stop using it for a few individuals that may be offended is ridiculous. The definition is part of the culture, and something that isn't hard to pick up on. | ||
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zulu_nation8
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