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Hi every1, i recently started casting my ladder/league/tournament matches and posting them on youtube. And i recently had an idea for a series of casts done through the eyes of JEcho.
What does this mean?
I'll be casting the games from just my perspective, so you can all get inside my head and see what i was doing, what i was thinking, and why i responded the way i did. I feel this will give Zerg players valuable insight into responding to many builds we all come across, such as: 2 rax, reactor hellion, 4 gate, 3 gate expand, voidray play, dts, ling bane wars, 1 base roach, 1 base muta, hatch first, and many others.
So come check me out on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/user/LagTTJEcho
comments/feedback/subscriptions are appreciated, if you have any further questions or want me to cast one of your games msg me here or on Bnet NA at LagTTJEcho.955
SPECIAL NOTE FOR PEOPLE BEING ANAL ABOUT THE TITLE
1. Its a question, nowhere does it say im a pro zerg
2. Last time i checked, you didn't have to for example be a pro basketball player, in order to TEACH pro basketball players
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so like a modern day Psy?
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You should probably introduce yourself a bit more. I have no idea who you are, how good you are, and thus not how capable you are of learning me anything. I can't tell for sure if the information you come up with is either wrong, fake, or actually smart. (doubly so because I don't play zerg).
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So basically you will be like every other first person streamer? I'm confused, what about this is different.
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@ excludos, are you top 200? probably not, i cant use points as a reference since the reset but im still top 200 and again... i believe your not.
@ merciless idont believe people who stream are constantly talking explaining why they are doing what they are doing. Please point me in the direction of these people
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On April 04 2011 00:41 Excludos wrote:
You should probably introduce yourself a bit more. I have no idea who you are, how good you are, and thus not how capable you are of learning me anything. I can't tell for sure if the information you come up with is either wrong, fake, or actually smart. (doubly so because I don't play zerg).
True and how Pro of a Zerg are you?
I've definitely herd of your name somewhere just can't place it alm
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More than likely from MR.Bitters coaching sessions with LiquidRet and MTWDimaga
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I'm just as skeptical of new casters as the rest of you, but I watched a couple and it's really informative stuff. Like he's saying, very few players cast their own games and talk about their thought-processes.
Because high level Zerg play is so dependent on interpreting limited information, having a decent player talk about what it means when he sees his opponent doing X Y and Z is obviously really helpful.
Anyhow, good luck building up an audience JEcho, there's such an extreme over saturation of SC2 content right now. I, for one, really like what you have here.
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Very argumentive and defensive to just some simple questions. Just becuase your top 200 doesn't make you a pro. What tournaments have you won if any , for all we know you cheesed your way to your current status , probably not but who knows. Kinda of like American masters are not equal to masters on Sk server.
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your right rocketboy sorry for being so offended, what bothers me is asking a question that really cant be answered, how am i supposed to explain if you'll learn anything or not.
Want a simple solution?
Watch one, if you like it and learn, you answered your own question, if not then you don't have to watch anymore.
And btw, goodluck cheesing your way to top200, theres a reason high level players don't cheese every game, because 90% of the time it fails, + i play zerg... what do you think im doing 6/8/10 pooling every high level player i face... erm ya thats right they dont know how to stop 6 pools
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On April 04 2011 00:51 RocketBOy wrote:
Very argumentive and defensive to just some simple questions. Just becuase your top 200 doesn't make you a pro. What tournaments have you won if any , for all we know you cheesed your way to your current status , probably not but who knows. Kinda of like American masters are not equal to masters on Sk server.
shut up you idiot...Dont turn it into a flame thread
JEcho best of luck just had a quick look/subscribed looks really good. when i have more time i'll take a more indepth look thanks in advance <3
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Why is everyone trying to rip on this guy?
I'm always looking for new Zerg content to learn from, thanks for sharing!
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On April 04 2011 00:58 MrWhompWhomp wrote:
Why is everyone trying to rip on this guy?
I'm always looking for new Zerg content to learn from, thanks for sharing!
haters guna hate, probably terrans =p
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Just fyi Combat-ex #2 on NA ladder at some point and he only cheeses lol (granted, he plays P)
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Thanks for the videos JEcho. I was really a big fan of Psy casting his own games, but obviously hes not active anymore.
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Hey JEcho, I checked out a couple of your ZvT's because I just don't win vs Terran anymore. I found them unhelpful because you open up with gas pool, or some 2 drone rush which I don't want to do. I like 15 hatch, 15 pool, 17 gas, 17 overlord like Idra and many others do ZvT.
And the game against LZGamer, you started the replay after your buildings were done. I realize your trying to save time which is great, but the things I want to know are: what food did you send your scout, when you put down gas, pool. That way I can mirror your build and see how it feels, without the exact food counts, I wouldn't feel confident about trying it.
GL with your youtube vids!!
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Did you see if you can be part of SC2Casts? I watch these vods on my iPhone often with their application.
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Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50.
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On April 04 2011 01:03 SiN] wrote:
Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50.
Pritty sure he's sponsored
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pro tip: didnt realise top 200 was ladder?
pro tip 2: didn't ladder just reset? people on top are people massing games
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Wow, the amount of people ripping on this guy is just depressing.
He might not be Julyzerg but hes pretty fucking skilled.
And for those bringing the combat-ex comparison, he plays P, and he dosent only cheese, just a large portion of his games and plays very abusive, you cant exactly cheese you're way into the top 200as Z.
On topic, thanks for the vids, starting playing a little sc2 again so will definitely watch them.
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Watched the game on Taldarim Altar vs Machine.
I wish I would of saw this a couple days ago, I opened 15 hatch into roaches on taldarim like machine did and got raped twice in a row by speedlings. Very helpful casts!
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@krayze, i skip the openings because, i open standard 14gas 14 pool, sending the scout out at 10 11 or 12 its basically the same thing every game (if you wanna be sure some of my first vids i believe start from the very beginning) and unfortunately for you i dont open hatch first just because of how open it leaves zerg to being abused. Theres alot less you need to deal with going pool first because pulling drones in hatch first really makes each opening unique depending on the exact # of drones you pull, how many you lose, and what kind of aggression / duration of said aggression your opponent brings.
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I watched some of your videos. I have to say I like your style. You are very conservative! It seems like lots of zergs take too many risks and you aren't afraid to just make units if needed instead of droning like crazy.
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I really like these style of commentary. It's too bad psy doesn't seem to do it anymore. sub'd.
I've seen his name before I think he played on Mr.Bitter's show a few times (not as instructor). He's much better than me which is all I care for really. ^^
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hey cool vods bro! dunno why everyone started hating on you the second you posted but thanks for some good high level Z stuff.
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Didn't you take a game of Ret on MrBitters stream before? Anyway, great zerg, i'm gonna watch some videos.
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I subscribed to your youtube page. Ignore the haters 
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Don't understand the hate and question of credibility. You guys want his portfolio? He posts his own replay packs and is consistently (I mean it, consistently) in the top 200 of the ladder. He plays vs and beats well known players, and is quite knowledgeable (enough to where we have near hour long strategy and theory discussions)
Albeit he is a clan mate of mine, i'm speaking as unbiased as I can - he's a good player, and one of our crutches for clan wars (Mr all-kill).
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I like the way you laid out your game vs geNo. Very insightful for people learning Zerg a bit more and definitely helpful to me for understanding drone timings.
One thing I did notice is that the Terran you played against was fairly weak in terms of harassment, do you typically have more problems keeping everything in order against a harass heavy build like mass marine drops or hellion/banshee play?
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Thank you, very informative!
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Nice to see a new zerg streamer but please change ur confusing title.
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Haters gonna hate...
I don't know why everyone feels the need to rip on someone who's trying to help the community. If you ask me, people are just trying to convince themselves that they have some sort of credibility.
Keep it up thanks for the streams.
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Haha I love the Terran insult in your game vs Geno :D
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@capnamerica, typically harassment heavy Terrrans are lacking in other areas, ill post a replay to explain what i mean
@termit yes that was me =p
@pred what title?
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played him on ladder, nothign special.. might as well watch my zerg stream..
. sucks losing cuz of ovi block even tho I had the game in my hands whole time?
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On April 04 2011 01:09 TrANCE, wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 01:03 SiN] wrote:
Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50. Pritty sure he's sponsored
There are probably only <40 players who make a decent living off of (playing) SC2. Being sponsored doesn't mean you are a pro. I had sponsorships for downhill skiing when I was 16... Calling yourself a pro when you don't actually make a living off of SC is presumptuous end of story. If the general starcraft audience hasn't heard of you, and you aren't winning top tournaments and making a decent amount of cash (enough to live off of), you aren't pro, you are amateur.
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On April 04 2011 01:36 DuckS wrote:
Don't understand the hate and credibility question of credibility. You guys want his portfolio? He posts his own replay packs and is consistently (I mean it, consistently) in the top 200 of the ladder. He plays vs and beats well known players, and is quite knowledgeable (enough to where we have near hour long strategy and theory discussions)
Albeit he is a clan mate of mine, i'm speaking as unbiased as I can - he's a good player, and one of our crutches for clan wars (Mr all-kill).
What pisses people off is when someone who doesn't make a living playing SC2 and most people haven't heard of calls themselves a pro. Nobody is questioning his contribution to the community.
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On April 04 2011 02:14 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 01:09 TrANCE, wrote:On April 04 2011 01:03 SiN] wrote:
Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50. Pritty sure he's sponsored There are probably only <40 players who make a decent living off of (playing) SC2. Being sponsored doesn't mean you are a pro. I had sponsorships for downhill skiing when I was 16... Calling yourself a pro when you don't actually make a living off of SC is presumptuous end of story. If the general starcraft audience hasn't heard of you, and you aren't winning top tournaments and making a decent amount of cash (enough to live off of), you aren't pro, you are amateur.
Professional:
"undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood or for gain: professional baseball. "
Welcome to the English language.
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gl man, I'll be watching your videos :D
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You still haven't told us how to kill pro zerg like how you mentioned in the title.
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I watched your most recent ZvT and really liked it. You have a really nice agressive playstyle. However I feel like you were far ahead when the guy decided to block your hatch with an ebay whereas you went pool first so it didnt matter. If I were you I'd cast games where its more equal or you're slightly behind at the start and still win.
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On April 04 2011 02:19 Hoku wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 02:14 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 01:09 TrANCE, wrote:On April 04 2011 01:03 SiN] wrote:
Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50. Pritty sure he's sponsored There are probably only <40 players who make a decent living off of (playing) SC2. Being sponsored doesn't mean you are a pro. I had sponsorships for downhill skiing when I was 16... Calling yourself a pro when you don't actually make a living off of SC is presumptuous end of story. If the general starcraft audience hasn't heard of you, and you aren't winning top tournaments and making a decent amount of cash (enough to live off of), you aren't pro, you are amateur. Professional: "undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood or for gain: professional baseball. " Welcome to the English language.
When JEcho shows that he doesn't have another job/means of support other than starcraft, then he will satisfy that definition. Winning money doesn't make you a pro unless it is a means of livelihood as I said before and as your definition shows.
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On April 04 2011 02:21 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 02:19 Hoku wrote:On April 04 2011 02:14 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 01:09 TrANCE, wrote:On April 04 2011 01:03 SiN] wrote:
Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50. Pritty sure he's sponsored There are probably only <40 players who make a decent living off of (playing) SC2. Being sponsored doesn't mean you are a pro. I had sponsorships for downhill skiing when I was 16... Calling yourself a pro when you don't actually make a living off of SC is presumptuous end of story. If the general starcraft audience hasn't heard of you, and you aren't winning top tournaments and making a decent amount of cash (enough to live off of), you aren't pro, you are amateur. Professional: "undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood or for gain: professional baseball. " Welcome to the English language. When JEcho shows that he doesn't have another job/means of support other than starcraft, then he will satisfy that definition.
Obviously you didn't read what I posted, or your bravado is overwhelming yourself.
Edited for your edit:
It clearly states in every definition that it is for a career, or for personal gain. My cities mayor is also an orthodontist, but, he's not a professional mayor, m i rite?
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I'll take a pass. Another border top 200 player streaming and casting his own wins. LoL.
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On April 04 2011 02:22 Hoku wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 02:21 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 02:19 Hoku wrote:On April 04 2011 02:14 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 01:09 TrANCE, wrote:On April 04 2011 01:03 SiN] wrote:
Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50. Pritty sure he's sponsored There are probably only <40 players who make a decent living off of (playing) SC2. Being sponsored doesn't mean you are a pro. I had sponsorships for downhill skiing when I was 16... Calling yourself a pro when you don't actually make a living off of SC is presumptuous end of story. If the general starcraft audience hasn't heard of you, and you aren't winning top tournaments and making a decent amount of cash (enough to live off of), you aren't pro, you are amateur. Professional: "undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood or for gain: professional baseball. " Welcome to the English language. When JEcho shows that he doesn't have another job/means of support other than starcraft, then he will satisfy that definition. Obviously you didn't read what I posted, or your bravado is overwhelming yourself.
So if I win some bingo games and make some money I'm a pro bingo player? Give me a fucking break, your definition states as a means of livelyhood. Until Jecho lives without monetary support from others and plays starcraft to survive he isn't a pro.
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On April 04 2011 02:24 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 02:22 Hoku wrote:On April 04 2011 02:21 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 02:19 Hoku wrote:On April 04 2011 02:14 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 01:09 TrANCE, wrote:On April 04 2011 01:03 SiN] wrote:
Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50. Pritty sure he's sponsored There are probably only <40 players who make a decent living off of (playing) SC2. Being sponsored doesn't mean you are a pro. I had sponsorships for downhill skiing when I was 16... Calling yourself a pro when you don't actually make a living off of SC is presumptuous end of story. If the general starcraft audience hasn't heard of you, and you aren't winning top tournaments and making a decent amount of cash (enough to live off of), you aren't pro, you are amateur. Professional: "undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood or for gain: professional baseball. " Welcome to the English language. When JEcho shows that he doesn't have another job/means of support other than starcraft, then he will satisfy that definition. Obviously you didn't read what I posted, or your bravado is overwhelming yourself. So if I win some bingo games and make some money I'm a pro bingo player?
If you arrived with intentions to make money, not enjoy yourself. Yes, you are in fact a pro bingoer.
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On April 04 2011 02:22 Hoku wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 02:21 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 02:19 Hoku wrote:On April 04 2011 02:14 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 01:09 TrANCE, wrote:On April 04 2011 01:03 SiN] wrote:
Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50. Pritty sure he's sponsored There are probably only <40 players who make a decent living off of (playing) SC2. Being sponsored doesn't mean you are a pro. I had sponsorships for downhill skiing when I was 16... Calling yourself a pro when you don't actually make a living off of SC is presumptuous end of story. If the general starcraft audience hasn't heard of you, and you aren't winning top tournaments and making a decent amount of cash (enough to live off of), you aren't pro, you are amateur. Professional: "undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood or for gain: professional baseball. " Welcome to the English language. When JEcho shows that he doesn't have another job/means of support other than starcraft, then he will satisfy that definition. Obviously you didn't read what I posted, or your bravado is overwhelming yourself. Edited for your edit: It clearly states in every definition that it is for a career, or for personal gain. My cities mayor is also an orthodontist, but, he's not a professional mayor, m i rite?
If he currently earns his livelyhood by being the mayor then he is a professional politician. Has JEcho even won any money? I guess I'm a pro too since I made 150 bucks at a local 2v2 tournament. I better make a presumptuous post in my stream thread about how I'm so pro!
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You should include a little bit more information on yourself, how are you pro and what defines you as a pro? Why are you not at an MLG or at least in tournaments? I will check out the channel and subscribe though looks like a great chance to learn somethings and support another fellow starcraft II player!
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On April 04 2011 02:26 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 02:22 Hoku wrote:On April 04 2011 02:21 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 02:19 Hoku wrote:On April 04 2011 02:14 Wr3k wrote:On April 04 2011 01:09 TrANCE, wrote:On April 04 2011 01:03 SiN] wrote:
Pro tip: Don't call yourself pro based on ladder, especially if you aren't even top 50. Pritty sure he's sponsored There are probably only <40 players who make a decent living off of (playing) SC2. Being sponsored doesn't mean you are a pro. I had sponsorships for downhill skiing when I was 16... Calling yourself a pro when you don't actually make a living off of SC is presumptuous end of story. If the general starcraft audience hasn't heard of you, and you aren't winning top tournaments and making a decent amount of cash (enough to live off of), you aren't pro, you are amateur. Professional: "undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood or for gain: professional baseball. " Welcome to the English language. When JEcho shows that he doesn't have another job/means of support other than starcraft, then he will satisfy that definition. Obviously you didn't read what I posted, or your bravado is overwhelming yourself. Edited for your edit: It clearly states in every definition that it is for a career, or for personal gain. My cities mayor is also an orthodontist, but, he's not a professional mayor, m i rite? If he currently earns his livelyhood by being the mayor then he is a professional politician.
He's an orthodontist for a reason. One of his professions doesn't pay all of his bills.
Edit: he's a professional ortho, and a professional mayor. That's the moral of the story.
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It's clear to me that you're arrogant, and aren't even considering the definition of the word professional. You're simply basing your argument off your own colloquialism of the word. Have a nice day. I hope insulting players who are leagues in front of you gets you somewhere in the TL community.
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So what we have here is..a top 100 NA player, and a bunch of low post count trolls flaming him even though he's trying to give advice to lower level players(more than likely the bad trolls).
What the hell is wrong with this picture?
Either way, I support you.
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if i realised people where gunna go anal over the title i probably would have been a bit more careful, i infact dont have a job and do make $ off starcraft, to prove this i assume you would like me to post some bank statements? lol what a joke, if thats your biggest gripe, feel free not to watch, im asking people to look at videos and see if they like them, you act as if im about to perform surgery and you wanna see some credentials before you take the risk.
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On April 04 2011 01:01 infinity21 wrote:
Just fyi Combat-ex #2 on NA ladder at some point and he only cheeses lol (granted, he plays P)
Does he make fpvods / cast his own games like he used to a few years ago? I'm in need of entertainment.
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Hello Mr top 200. i have a tip for you. ----> Arrogance usually don't work well in promoting your Youtube chan/streaming.
Don't call yourself a pro unless your living is playing starcraft.
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On April 04 2011 02:33 JEcho wrote:
if i realised people where gunna go anal over the title i probably would have been a bit more careful, i infact dont have a job and do make $ off starcraft, to prove this i assume you would like me to post some bank statements? lol what a joke, if thats your biggest gripe, feel free not to watch, im asking people to look at videos and see if they like them, you act as if im about to perform surgery and you wanna see some credentials before you take the risk.
People just need to puff up their chest. You're obviously better than they are, and they're trying to convince themselves of their own worth. Tuned into your stream. :D Thanks for helping the community.
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On April 04 2011 02:34 Luvz wrote:
Hello Mr top 200. i have a tip for you. ----> Arrogance usually don't work well in promoting your Youtube chan/streaming.
Don't call yourself a pro unless your living is playing starcraft.
Read more than the OP before posting, lolled.
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I subbed, I have alot of trouble winning my games now after the reset. I am 10 - 15 and it's kind of depressing if you keep losing because of silly 1 base all-in pushes or screwing up your zvz with a foolish drone round when you really should've made units. I really need someone like this atm.
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You should include race tag after the player names so I don't have to load them all just to figure out which are zvp's
ty
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Its really refreshing too see someone explain why they will do certain actions. like the muta check on tanks, ty
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I thought you were going to say "hallucinate a bunch of void rays  ".
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I'm tired of seeing everyone jump down the throat of everyone else. What's wrong with watching one, deciding whether you like it or not, and going from there. Freedom of choice...
Not everyone who can make a significant contribution to the community is going to start off well known. Judging like that is only forcing a requirement to have played BW for the most part. This community is all about seniority and I'm down with that, but new people sometimes have valuable contributions too.
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Hmm I don't really know if you take "requests", but do you have any replays of yourself when you are facing Forge expand into phoenix harass? I would love to see a video of that and see how your mind is going during that time and how you deal with it in the best possible way. When I scout the first stargate I get 1 extra queen per base and get hydras out fast as possible but when he have added a second stargate and comes with 8+ phoenix I tend to just choke really bad. Even if I pull it off I don't really know how to go from there as he can deny my scouting and do whatever he wants out of 2 base.
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On April 04 2011 00:46 JEcho wrote:
@ excludos, are you top 200? probably not, i cant use points as a reference since the reset but im still top 200 and again... i believe your not.
Why bother writing this junk...........
Could've gotten away with a simple "Oh sorry I forgot to mention that I was in Top200"
But no.
Surprised you haven't been banned :s
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Perhaps if people would stop flaming the living shit out of him for putting up a quality stream then he wouldn't be so defensive.
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I dont really understand, usually people welcome streams, and specially these commentated vods, from pro's.
Why all this hate?
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Hahah that Trance guy jumping on every negative comment posted
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Thanks for posting here about your youtube and stream, I enjoy watching any high level Zerg streams and VODs and I really like how you explain your thinking as you go.
One thing I'd say is that make sure to also upload some of your losses to youtube, as losses can be just as informative if not more informative than wins for Zergs looking to improve, especially if you explain why the decisions you made didn't pan out, or what exactly you did wrong.
Also, beginning the VODs with "future grandmaster" does make you sound pretty arrogant, although I don't really care so much about that. You're clearly a high level player and confidence is important, so whatever.
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On April 04 2011 05:58 CanucksJC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 00:46 JEcho wrote:
@ excludos, are you top 200? probably not, i cant use points as a reference since the reset but im still top 200 and again... i believe your not. Why bother writing this junk........... Could've gotten away with a simple "Oh sorry I forgot to mention that I was in Top200" But no. Surprised you haven't been banned :s
Really? Then i'm surprised that the half of this thread that's knit picking and derailing hasn't been banned then, either. He's defensive, sure, but i'd be defensive too. If took my time to try and give back to the community, but only have my attempts derailed, I wouldn't be happy either.
Perhaps giving himself the title of "pro" could have been jumping the gun. But what do you want him to say? "How to Beat/Play against an Amateur player" "How to Beat/Play against a Mediocre player". No. He doesn't fall into the exact definition of pro, but he IS very active, IS very good, and actually does make a good sum of cash from the game.
Now, may we stick to the topic? He's offering something, but a lot of people seem to have a complex when someone is marginally better than them.
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I really like your safe ZvT style. Makes me think I should just get a Roach Warren every game for safety, seems to be so much easier to hold some of those pushes with some Roaches added :O.
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ya would be kind nice if we could keep this on topic, thx for the support guys
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On April 04 2011 00:59 JEcho wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 00:58 MrWhompWhomp wrote:
Why is everyone trying to rip on this guy?
I'm always looking for new Zerg content to learn from, thanks for sharing! haters guna hate, probably terrans =p
It's always them terrans! -.-
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started casting some protoss games, got a few im guna post soon
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On April 04 2011 02:33 JEcho wrote:
if i realised people where gunna go anal over the title i probably would have been a bit more careful, i infact dont have a job and do make $ off starcraft, to prove this i assume you would like me to post some bank statements? lol what a joke, if thats your biggest gripe, feel free not to watch, im asking people to look at videos and see if they like them, you act as if im about to perform surgery and you wanna see some credentials before you take the risk.
Haha so true. Dunno why people get their backs up so much over this? Guys if you don't want to watch then don't, and don't post in here about how offended you are that someone else is making videos to help people learn.
Seriously some people really need to lighten up a bit. Yes we know there are a lot of people casting games on youtube. Are they hurting anyone? No. Are you forced to watch them? No.
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I'm looking forward to viewing your protoss games when I get home. A lot of us like your videos and your contribution to the community. Just ignore all the hate and keep posting please
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I just watched your latest game, the one vs PainUser; could you in the future please lower the game sound? Sometimes you cant even hear you speak (when theres turrets going off etc)
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You've got yourself a subscriber man. I really like your midgame vs terran, just might think I'll start copying some of it. If thats ok with you.
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added a vid against a 4 gate, guna do my 1st cast of som1 elses game soon. thx for the support guys
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I watched the videos, and as an amateur zerg player i found them extremely helpful. Just the insight of like, checking to see what is being chrono boosted, and if this then that type of stuff really helps. Im subscribing. Keep up the vids!
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I have seen this guy play and he is good. I saw him play on MrBitters show, in one of the ZvZ with LiquidRet episodes and he beat him. Anyone who can beat LiquidRet in a straight up macro game, pro or not, is worth listening to. Also, he is on LaGTT which is not the most well known team, but for anyone who is well informed in terms of the professional SC2 scene, they are a recognizable and credible team.
I would personally recommend at least giving it a shot, especially if you are a zerg player. Also, best of luck to you JEcho. Don't let the skeptics bring you down =)
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Great videos, love your commentary.
Keep up the good work.
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Very cool!
Any chance a Protoss clan mate of yours may do the same as you are?
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Seriously? Why is everyone jumping down JEcho's throat?
If you don't like his attitude/stream, just don't watch it.
But at the very least, consider that he's nice enough to stream his games and commentate on his thinking process, instead of going "HURR DURR WATCH MY STREAM OF ME PWNING IN TOP 200, I'M BETTER THAN ALL OF YOU."
If anything his stream DOES contribute to the community, especially to lower leveled Zerg players.
I will admit, though, that the title is misleading. Perhaps the mods should change it~?
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On April 06 2011 14:14 Jeffbelittle wrote:
Very cool!
Any chance a Protoss clan mate of yours may do the same as you are?
Jemag?
I'll check these out later for sure, I saw you MrBitter's stream as well, and i have to say there was no way Ret was going to let you win that last game after you beat him the first time haha!
To all those who are saying he's not good enough, then i guess you must all be alot better otherwise you can't judge.
nice work dude!
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Watched a couple of your videos and they seem great. I also enjoyed watching Psy, looking forward to see what you put up next. I'd suggest people arguing about whether he comes off as a jerk or not in the op just watch a few of the videos and move along if you don't like them.
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I think you're doing a great thing for the community Even if people flame you remember that you're always going to get a bunch of people who fully appreciate you for your advice but are too shy to say so :x
Glhf in your next videos :D
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On April 04 2011 00:46 JEcho wrote:
@ excludos, are you top 200? probably not, i cant use points as a reference since the reset but im still top 200
This should have been in the OP and a list of your "qualifications" specified. I also was wondering how good you were and it wasnt until you bashed this response that i found out. This guy wasn't accusing you of being a noob, he was simply looking for your experience/skill level before he started following you religiously.
@ merciless idont believe people who stream are constantly talking explaining why they are doing what they are doing. Please point me in the direction of these people
There are plenty of streamers who talk all the time AND explain what they are doing, the first and foremost example I can think of being RootDestiny. InControl is another example (may not talk all the time but tends to explain important parts).
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At first I thought this guy would be a loudmouth who stumbled into top 200, but after watching one video he's pretty legit.
Thanks, great content and ideas. Will watch these tonight.
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On April 04 2011 01:01 infinity21 wrote:
Just fyi Combat-ex #2 on NA ladder at some point and he only cheeses lol (granted, he plays P)
Not true, he played me straight up a few days ago!
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hes not a jerk.
ive known him for 4-5 months now and hes a good guy and tries to help wherever and whenever he can.
for any of you to turn down this kind of free instruction would be foolish.
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nadagast!!! my favorite warlock of all time!!!! glad to see youre doing well in sc2 as well
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Loved the the idea, like directors commentaring their films, helps beginners understanding the whys and not only the hows.
Good luck.
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Thanks guys for the support, as for protoss, i know PvZ really well from the protoss side as well, i'll check if my protoss teamates are doing anything of the sort, if not i can at least do a few PvZ
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great videos! Reacting based on what info i see is always a problem for me 
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Despite all the debates about your thread title which i'm frankly not going to get into because honestly who cares...you probably did it to get as many views on the post as possible whether your a true 'pro' or not is irrelevant.
Good luck with the rest of it.
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United States17042 Posts
moved to blogs. Advertising your yt channel with 56 posts is frowned upon.
however, it does look like your quality is good, and i'll be looking for more.
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On April 06 2011 17:02 Zerokaiser wrote:
At first I thought this guy would be a loudmouth who stumbled into top 200, but after watching one video he's pretty legit.
Thanks, great content and ideas. Will watch these tonight.
Not sure many people stumble into top 200, it takes so much time/practice.
Anyway, OP - I tuned in, i liked the aggressive play style with roach/banes. One of my concerns is that it's a metagame build and not an actual stable build (not 100% sure) similar to kyrix style aggression that was predicated on terran players getting greedy and expanding too fast. What do you think?
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I've watched the stream, I found it very helpful from a certain point of view just to learn the timings of the Z's I play. On the other hand I find it very discouraging when they only have 3/4ths the units you would and still less drones... lol master Z's need to learn from better master Z's -.-
Still good work ^^ it was fun to watch.
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Love the vids!
Ever since Psy's casts slowed down I've been look for a replacement.
Subscribed. Keep em coming :D
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im thinking of starting a channel on sc2 that way when im online ppl can talk to me offer suggestions or w.e sound like a good idea?
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keep up the good work bro =)
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=) thanks added a few more games and i plan on uploading alot more
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As someone working his way through gold and platinum, I really enjoy your vids. Since Day9 does such little indepth ZvX analysis, these videos are so useful to watch.
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Hey I just commented on youtube, but wanted to bump here as well because over the past couple days your channel has become my favorite. The way you explain your thought process in detail in all the videos is really helpful. I'm a plat zerg and your comments on scouting and what you thought of what you saw as you saw it was awesome.
nitpicky criticism:
+ Show Spoiler +This may be annoying, but your color scheme/font hurts my eyes! I think you're one of the best youtube zerg casters (since psy has stopped casting as much) and I think with minimal production value your stuff could get a LOT more views (partnered?), or at least be easier on the eyes. I have minimal experience, but a lot of free time, all the necessary programs, and a love of fiddling so if you want free non-experienced help feel free to PM me sorry if you don't care/already have plans for it. I really appreciate all the content.
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Som1 i believe has offered to help me clean up the youtube channel, and i just posted more vids, thanks for the support
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nitpicky criticism:
+ Show Spoiler +This may be annoying, but your color scheme/font hurts my eyes! I think you're one of the best youtube zerg casters (since psy has stopped casting as much) and I think with minimal production value your stuff could get a LOT more views (partnered?), or at least be easier on the eyes. I have minimal experience, but a lot of free time, all the necessary programs, and a love of fiddling so if you want free non-experienced help feel free to PM me sorry if you don't care/already have plans for it. I really appreciate all the content.
I like that way you explain your thought process ingame, because you understand yourself best. However, the color scheme of the videos was very hard to watch, as said above. Also, please show the ENTIRE game. Every part of the game is important in its own regard, from openings and early scouting to late game unit compositions.
Cheers! I'll definitely check you out more often
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On April 04 2011 00:56 JEcho wrote:
your right rocketboy sorry for being so offended, what bothers me is asking a question that really cant be answered, how am i supposed to explain if you'll learn anything or not.
Want a simple solution?
Watch one, if you like it and learn, you answered your own question, if not then you don't have to watch anymore.
And btw, goodluck cheesing your way to top200, theres a reason high level players don't cheese every game, because 90% of the time it fails, + i play zerg... what do you think im doing 6/8/10 pooling every high level player i face... erm ya thats right they dont know how to stop 6 pools
Combat-ex
lmfao.
If you played P this would be handy. QQ.
Wtb useful toss ^_^
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@ vlare i dont really know much about combat-ex but ive seen him play, he took down dde in a legit macro game and you have to be good to do that. So obviously he can cheese alot of players worse than him since he actually has the potential to play. But when your just some scrub who does nothing but cheese good luck.
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