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Hi TL, for quite some time i've been bitching about Protoss being so strong, i've decided it's time to demythisize (is this a word?) it, by starting playing it after reset. I m not decided if this will be a full switch or not. Right now i want to play 100-200 games with p and switch back, but who knows i might stick with it.
To give you a perspectie, i was a pretty decent eu Zerg on ladder, with almost 3k ladder games, over 3k overall. I've been around the 300. place point wise, sometimes i fell back, sometimes i broke into the top 200.
I was rather sad, that only the points got reset not the MMR too. So i was looking forward, and seeing 30 straight losses in a row, considering other players' history like MorroW's 2 page worth of loss streak.
Protoss is so ridiculous actually, that even though i was sure i ll get my ass handed to me for the first 30-40 games, i handicapped myself by deciding:
1.) to not ever 4 gate
2.) to not ever 1 base allin
3.) to not ever canon rush
4.) to not use proxy buildings
5.) to not DT rush
At least for a while, untill i ll get some mechanics down, then i can play around with some shenanigans like those
I'm proud to say, that finally i gained one win in every matchup.
Sitting on a record of 5-17, i won 3 PvZs, 1 PvT and finally, after a series of loss to 4 gates i finally won a PvP
I'll give you my first wins 
PvZ
He goes for roach drops with burrow, i make no observer or prepare to the drop, i lose my main and i let roaches behind my natural mineral line. From here i exped again, raped his pack of Hydras with phoenix voidray, killed whatever i could, then demolished his Corruptor fleet at his 3rd base wtih my fleet, and then walked in with some stalkers for the win, pretty hillarious :D
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/157346-1v1-protoss-zerg-shakuras-plateau
PvT
I had in mind Tyler's warpgate-upgdes-colossus style, i butchered it really hard though with getting immortals, and upgding from 1 forge only iirc but at the end of the day, it worked out because i had sentries, damn forcefields are ridiculous
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/157343-1v1-terran-protoss-backwater-gulch
PvP
Since my vowes to not 4 gate, i wanted to go for Artosis' 3 stalker rush, missed a pylon T.T but got 4 stalkers this way, but he wasnt really agressive so after some poking he went back and exped so i geared up for a Colossus-warpgate push while taking my exp. Since he went for leg speed i a moved trough him pretty much
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/157342-1v1-protoss-metalopolis
I had an emberassing loss PvT, losing a game from a point where i had 65 probes on 3 base compared to his 19 and 2 base, wanting to take a 3rd. that was pretty sad QQ.
But overall it's pretty fun, i lost my appetite to play with Zerg, everybody was just allining and i hardly could do anythnig about it but guess which allin it is, and the sad part was who wasnt allining was actually harder to beat because of the ridicuolusly weak Zerg maxed army. i was frustrated that pretty much 1 mistake costs me the game every single time, while my opponents can make hillariously huge blunders and come back with some bullshit units like VRs, banshees, DTs or Medavacs.
With P, even though my APM is shitty, my mechanics are weak and my timings are non existent i can win games or come close to it and lose by not having any infrastructure, cuz i didnt know i would need it. I can make huge mistakes, forget important things, lose big battles and still make comebacks. PvP is an unforgiving matchup, but PvT is a bit easier then i would have expected, and PvZ is just ridicuolusly P favored. I literally go into the game without any plan and things just work out well.
This might be some bold statements given i have lost a tone more then i won, but given my MMR which took me almost 3k games with Zerg to get, winning games this soon, and coming close to win many more, (losing due to clearly identifiable stupid mistakes) is surprising.
For PvT and PvP i'm trying to learn from Artosis's 2 youtube tutorials (vs 1base T and the 3 stalker), from the Guide on Tyler's PvT build and i might try day9s idea on holding off 4 gates.
I recommend this to any other fresh tosses out there.
Thanks for reading, advice is welcome, if you have good anti 4 gate builds, or a guide to Phoenix based PvP or PvT write them, link them, embed them, i will be greatful.
 
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tyler supports ur decision
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Those handicaps are ezpz. Except for the one base all ins, because PvP is either 4-gate vs anti 4-gate or 1 base colossus wars.
PvZ: 3 gate expo into stargate (unless your opponent does some cheesy shit that requires a 4th gate instead of that stargate...)
PvT: 3 gate robo. Simple, no?
Anti 4-gate using Robotics Facility: Get 2 Immortals. along with 3 warp gates to produce units. Enjoy making a pathetic excuse of a player cry.
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On April 01 2011 20:04 Sfydjklm wrote:
tyler supports ur decision
haha, nice status, i actually caught that too from his original post, and quoted it in the thread :D canot unsee, btw by Px i meant Phoenix, so phoenix builds are welcome
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You actually will never win a single high level PvP if you refuse to 1-base or open 4-gate. good luck with that.
As for PvZ results clearly show P winning a lot more than zergs... but honestly imo zergs are playing it wrong. Sitting back and "trying not to die" while massing up low tier units and letting the enemy tech and expand is pretty fail... and seems to be what most zergs are doing these days.
Aggressive ZvP >>>>>>>> IdrA style ZvP. I just don't know why its taking people so long to figure it out.
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On April 01 2011 21:24 Reason.SC2 wrote:
You actually will never win a single high level PvP if you refuse to 1-base or open 4-gate. good luck with that.
As for PvZ results clearly show P winning a lot more than zergs... but honestly imo zergs are playing it wrong. Sitting back and "trying not to die" while massing up low tier units and letting the enemy tech and expand is pretty fail... and seems to be what most zergs are doing these days.
Aggressive ZvP >>>>>>>> IdrA style ZvP. I just don't know why its taking people so long to figure it out.
idk man, that 3 stalker hold off of the 4 gate is rumored to be viable at pro level, and once you hold it off you can tech to colo and exp, but idk, we ll see
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So now you can go back to Terran whining huh? Looking forward to your next blog ^^
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On April 01 2011 21:38 Saechiis wrote:
So now you can go back to Terran whining huh? Looking forward to your next blog ^^
 i said PvT is easier then expected, why would you say that now? I dont feel T is really strong now with the enw maps, though since BW i struggle with ZvT it feels liek that s never gonna change.
But i will have a next blog for sure, maybe a rep pack too if i can actually do well enough
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On April 01 2011 21:51 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 21:38 Saechiis wrote:
So now you can go back to Terran whining huh? Looking forward to your next blog ^^ i said PvT is easier then expected, why would you say that now? I dont feel T is really strong now with the enw maps, though since BW i struggle with ZvT it feels liek that s never gonna change. But i will have a next blog for sure, maybe a rep pack too if i can actually do well enough
I have fond memories of a previous thread of yours (a month ago maybe?) in which you claimed lategame Terran was nigh unbeatable as Zerg. Maybe I'm just being cynical here, but I don't think that you switching race temporarily signals a new era of objectiveness. But maybe I'm wrong, we'll see 
Success!
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ive actually done the reverse, played P for most of retail (been top 200 afew times with it) up until Feb when I started randoming on US.. Just last week, decided to take my try at pure zerg, because theres so much whining how zerg is so weak and loses to every 4gate and junk..
I had a fresh account on EU (the harder server, apparently also) and climbed in MMR to now that I face only 3500+ masters players from last reset, and im still ROFLstomping them as zerg.. Hell, I even hatch'd in the protoss base afew times vs these 3500 master protosses and they couldnt do shit to stop it. I also been playing macro games, and as long as I dont mess up major on my own, I have one loss to a 4gate or 6gate in over 15 ZvP's.. Its just so easy to defend when you actually scout the protoss, and unless they are MC or San with their FF's, I just plow through them.. As far as I see, the zerg QQ whining is just that as far as I see.. If anything, zerg should whine about terran, tank/marine is hard as hell to stop and just about the only thing I lose to =/
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On April 01 2011 21:55 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 21:51 Geo.Rion wrote:On April 01 2011 21:38 Saechiis wrote:
So now you can go back to Terran whining huh? Looking forward to your next blog ^^ i said PvT is easier then expected, why would you say that now? I dont feel T is really strong now with the enw maps, though since BW i struggle with ZvT it feels liek that s never gonna change. But i will have a next blog for sure, maybe a rep pack too if i can actually do well enough I have fond memories of a previous thread of yours (a month ago maybe?) in which you claimed lategame Terran was nigh unbeatable as Zerg. Maybe I'm just being cynical here, but I don't think that you switching race temporarily signals a new era of objectiveness. But maybe I'm wrong, we'll see Success!
Yeah, i ve asked for help, i did not claim it's unbeatable, i wished to know hwo to beat a T who is passive extremly and turtles hardcore.
There basicly everybody said if the T is up to good mech upgrades and has many bases, you lost even fi u got all the money and tech in the world, and you are retarded for not going all out to kill him when you could have.
I'm certainly not objective, but i have an open mind and i wish to try things out to prove myself wrong.
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On April 01 2011 22:12 Skyze wrote:
ive actually done the reverse, played P for most of retail (been top 200 afew times with it) up until Feb when I started randoming on US.. Just last week, decided to take my try at pure zerg, because theres so much whining how zerg is so weak and loses to every 4gate and junk..
I had a fresh account on EU (the harder server, apparently also) and climbed in MMR to now that I face only 3500+ masters players from last reset, and im still ROFLstomping them as zerg.. Hell, I even hatch'd in the protoss base afew times vs these 3500 master protosses and they couldnt do shit to stop it. I also been playing macro games, and as long as I dont mess up major on my own, I have one loss to a 4gate or 6gate in over 15 ZvP's.. Its just so easy to defend when you actually scout the protoss, and unless they are MC or San with their FF's, I just plow through them.. As far as I see, the zerg QQ whining is just that as far as I see.. If anything, zerg should whine about terran, tank/marine is hard as hell to stop and just about the only thing I lose to =/
Don't you feel like your wins in zvp are just because the protoss is an idiot though? Thats how I feel on ladder. I haven't attempted to get good with Protoss but I always think if I was playing PvZ I would very rarely lose except to really tricky all-ins which are highly risky from a zerg perspective anyway.
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