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JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 21 2011 13:09 GMT
#1
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February 20 HER
Hi, do i know you??

February 21 ME
o hi. well, you look alot like someone i've been wanting to talk to since christmas 2007. i was supposed to do some drama action and you were doing singing at church for the christmas event i believe. i know its kinda vague but its been so long. sorry if it isn't you though.

February 21 HER
christmas event? You mean at ****? I've done so many events in church that i can't really remember haha, sorry. Are you from **** too? Don't recognise you though!

February 21 ME
yea im from **** haha

February 21 ME
so are you studying now?

February 22 HER
Oh cool, have i met you? Yeah i'm studying now heh.

February 22 ME
It's been quite a while so o can't really recall. Maybe it was a brief one haha. Your parents work in church yea?

February 22 HER
Just my mum. At the mandarin side. How come you seem to know stuff about me and i don't even recognise you! Hahah. You in **** or adult side?

February 22 ME
Oh I attend service with my parents. The only church event I took part in was that Christmas one. Back then I remembered you talking to your mum on some rehearsal day and your mum was giving mandarin translation on Christmas day service itself on the second service. We met but I probably didn't get the chance to talk to you back then. Man I sound like a stalker

February 23 HER
hahahah no lahhh you don't. I'm surprised you can still recognise me though. I think I look very different now compared to 2007. Anyway, you should introduce yourself to me properly in church one day. I feel very bad not remembering who you are when you seem to know me. Maybe if I see you I'll remember!

February 23 ME
oo yea. you go *** right? where you studying now btw?

February 23 HER
yep. But now we seem to have combined with the main church and service is becoming very draggy. So sian. I'm taking a music performance degree in **********.

February 23 ME
oh wow that's really cool. how long you been studying there already?

February 23 HER
well school starts next week actually haha. So I haven't officially started studying yet.

February 23 ME
Oh. So what were you doing before?

February 24 HER
I took a gap year after poly to go work and get some experience and stuff.

February 24 ME
ooh. all the best for your school next week! do you attend church at 1115 or 9?

February 25 HER
thanks Hmm i usually go for the 1115 one.

February 28 ME
hey
hey i dont mean to be nosey but i just wanted to say that God will turn things around for you and i will be praying for you

March 13 ME
hey i find it really silly to be doing this through facebook but its unfortunate that God didn't bless me with telepathic abilities combined with an inbuilt gps system in my head. so i really have no other way of finding you and talking to you.

i was just wondering if maybe you'd like to meet up so we can formally introduce ourselves to one another. i mean its going to be quite weird since i've never spoken to you before but i thought it would have been more weird if i had used yellowpages instead. just kidding.

yeah hope you're up for it
God bless.

March 13 HER
Hmm you still attend church right? You can always come and look for me after service on sundays, since you seem to be able to recognise me haha. I'll always hang around at the benches next to the pick up point under the sanctuary with my friends for awhile. Anyway how you manage remember what I look like after so long? You must have awesome memory skills. I haven't been in the worship team for quite long already, I'm in the youth dance ministry now.

March 14 ME
I don't know how I can still remember these things though. Sorry for being so awesome. I just can't help it. I try to tone down but ah.. You can't stop the truth from showing. Haha anyway, what time does service end for you?

March 15 HER
I go for the 1115 one, so usually around 12 plus or 1 plus?

March 15 ME
ooh. hmm ok. do you mind giving me your number? i don't really like to talk through facebook haha.

March 16 HER
i don't really like to give my number to people i don't know haha, no offense to you! Use msn la! We are computer literate people yo. **@hotmail.com

March 16 ME
Haha ok I understand. That's cool with me

March 17 HER
Haha. Add me on msn then we'll see if we can plan a meetup or something.

March 17 ME
i just did im **@hotmail.com long story about the email. don't ask. just know that i was obsessed with trolls when i was a young boy. sigh.

Saturday ME
hey! so tomorrow how? haven't seen ou online for the past few days

Saturday HER
hey sorry i've been really busy these few days. Hmm maybe next week then you come and find me can?

Saturday ME
hmm alrighty

Yesterday ME
hey. i was doing a lot of reflection and i feel really sorry to be barging into your life and just being real pushy about things. i think i really made this more awkward and uncanny than it would have been. after all, i'm still a stranger.

we can probably meet up whenever. there really is no hurry. maybe when things settle down or when the time is right.

once again, i'm really sorry.
God bless


Before you actually read the above spoiler of the above conversation held almost over a month through Facebook, I'd just want to explain the context of this whole thing. She was a girl that I met in church through an event back in Christmas 2007. I never had the courage to talk to her back then and eventually, I never saw here again until I chanced upon her profile on Facebook through a friend.

It seemed like she was really interested at the start but somehow over the past 2-3 days, she just didn't seem to care anymore. I tried talking to her on msn but she was just like "oh hey" and that's it.

I really wanted to talk to her and to meet up. I think I took things way too fast which probably made her uncomfortable.

It's been such a long time and you know for another shot at a once in a lifetime chance, I blew it again. Somehow, it just feels this will go nowhere and not really asking for advice but just sharing if anyone cares.

***
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 13:20:24
March 21 2011 13:19 GMT
#2
I care man.

Maybe because I'm a bit depressed too.

This girl I like seemed like she was interested, but then she never answered my SMSs, never left me message on Orkut etc... I called her a few times but she'd never call me.

A couple weeks pass by (her classes started and I work, so we never meet during the week) and yesterday I got info from a friend that she went to the movies with some guy on a date.

That crushed my heart, now I'm really depressed and really dunno what to do...

So I kinda know how you feel... Hope you find something to keep your mind busy and I hope things starts happening for the better to you.

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 21 2011 13:20 GMT
#3
That sucks and happens for reasons I don't know why. Maybe some day we'll know. Take care man.
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
O.Golden_ne
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia204 Posts
March 21 2011 13:27 GMT
#4
hey guys.
helpin some brothers out here,
while it might seem stupid or extreme. this helped me when i was down about chicks.
read 'the game' by neil strauss

and check out this link
http://sosuave.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-18625.html
Like a baneling in a mineral line
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
March 21 2011 13:38 GMT
#5
Thanks for the link Golden

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 21 2011 13:45 GMT
#6
haha. that was a funny read
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
March 21 2011 13:53 GMT
#7
You probably said something she didn't feel comfortable with or you messaged her too much. Women are like that, a message or word too much or at the wrong time can destroy weeks of nice conversations.
Been there, done that, learned to not even try anymore.
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 14:08:10
March 21 2011 14:06 GMT
#8
asking for a girl's number for specifically dating purpose online = bad bad BAD
also the last msg you sent her = bad bad BAD
I didn't think it was that bad until you said that, I'm pretty sure you can't recover from this lol
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11582 Posts
March 21 2011 14:14 GMT
#9
from the girls perspective you have this guy you have never met before, and you have no idea who he is. All of a sudden he wants to meet up, saying he remembers you from years ago. Sounds reeeaaaaaaaaalllllly creepy, and stalker-ish.

we know you have got good intentions, but she doesn't. sorry to say but you kinda threw it away. just keep your mind concentrated on something so you don't think about it. The more you dwell on it the worse it gets, so just keep your mind busy and you'll do just fine
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JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 21 2011 14:15 GMT
#10
yup. i learned that the hard way
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
March 21 2011 14:20 GMT
#11
I'm a cynic (and for the right reasons) so i think it ended when she said "do i know you?" (that's generally how ppl like to express "can you piss off?")

Otherwise, it started to get bad (and i mean get bad as in hopeless) when it was 3~4 messages past and you didnt introduce yourself to try and jog her memory. If you did, and she still didnt know you, then it was hopeless to begin with. Unless you plan to meet her as the "stalker" from facebook, you still have a chance, i.e the real you that went too demanding with the ph no, and stuff is dead to her.
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pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
March 21 2011 14:26 GMT
#12
stop apologising so much wtf. go say hi at church and sweep her off her little christian feet.
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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
March 21 2011 14:26 GMT
#13
Hmm, why couldn't you go meet her at church like she suggested?
The original Bogus fan.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19077 Posts
March 21 2011 14:28 GMT
#14
Yeah you shouldn't have jumped from stranger on Facebook -> phone number. You should have gone stranger on Facebook -> stranger on MSN. Don't ask for someone's number until you've actually met them
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 21 2011 14:29 GMT
#15
i just realised it was all over like yesterday so na. she actually hinted of not wanting to meet. ah wellz
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
March 21 2011 14:30 GMT
#16
On March 21 2011 22:53 Morfildur wrote:
You probably said something she didn't feel comfortable with or you messaged her too much. Women are like that, a message or word too much or at the wrong time can destroy weeks of nice conversations.
Been there, done that, learned to not even try anymore.



pretty much this


if ive learned anything about women, its that you cant "force" anything with them if your attracted to them, if they dont show obvious signs of being interested straight away its not worth it.

let her get back to you if your still interested but unless she makes a move theres no point stressing yourself
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 14:42:29
March 21 2011 14:41 GMT
#17
se found another guy or you talked too much. Bad luck I guess. This happens to everybody and all the time so dont be so down about it its not you its her and her issues. Just go out and find a girl thats easier to get, then easy come easy go but at least you had something.
in The Kong line forever
Starparty
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Sweden1963 Posts
March 21 2011 15:19 GMT
#18
tbh if someone is interested in actually getting togheter, that person will meet you halfways. If you go with the idea that someone is "hard to catch" it only means you are more interested than the other person, no matter the context. If you want to chase after such relations, by all means, but personally i value myself too high to go after someone who isnt equally interested in going after me.

As for the actual chat log, you could see she wasnt really on board from the start since she never really bothered to find interest in asking any return questions. She just answered whatever you asked.

Sorry buddy, but its the cold truth. Doesnt mean there isnt other people out there who thinks differently though.
The artist formerly known as Starparty
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
March 21 2011 15:26 GMT
#19
If you notice that you are asking the majority of questions and she is just answering without mirroring questions (at least), that usually shows she is not interested. Mirroring questions is generally common courtesy, especially if you guys don't know each other well. Her not doing so (more towards the end) is a clear indicator she wasn't interested. You have to be interesting first, and being an interviewer is not interesting. It just makes you seem desperate. Also when you bring up hanging out/exchanging numbers at the end of such a one-sided conversation, it just further confirms that desperation. Women don't like desperation, they don't want to feel guilty for saying no, but they also don't want to say yes out of pity and be stuck with a guy they felt bad for (for being desperate). Also, Church is not the best place to meet chicks.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
March 21 2011 15:30 GMT
#20
Jesus Christ.

You can tell she was interested at first! She was curious of you. Damn that sucks
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Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
March 21 2011 15:39 GMT
#21
It happens to everyone. Move on and do other things that will take your mind off her. It just isn't worth the heartache.
Brood War forever!
adso
Profile Joined March 2011
718 Posts
March 21 2011 16:53 GMT
#22
I didn't read your messaging = don't woe trough typing when you can get to SEE someone... if she was not interested it was over from the start... if she might have been, pushing back the crucial moment of truth is just not what it's cracked up to be... it all starts with a "conveniently" casual walk... the www wandering is moot...

We are mammals.. we need this glare into another persons' soul to feel anything,
The eyes say it all...

Good luck with the moving on..., if you do see her again: smile with your eyes,
You never know.
Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
March 21 2011 17:35 GMT
#23
My mother (a very wise woman) once told me that 90% of starting a relationship is timing. In your case, you missed the timing by about 4 years. You need to grow some balls and talk to girls when you meet them, not 4 years later...

If you meet a cute girl and she notices you, you have less than half an hour to initiate conversation before she writes you off. Even if she's making eyes at you, if you wait 2 hours to talk to her (at the end of the event or whatever) she can tell that you waited so long because you are fucking SCARED. So if you want to succeed with women you need to man up and get on that shit pronto.
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JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 21 2011 21:15 GMT
#24
well she actually told me the day before we were going to meet that she was really busy and she couldn't meet. so yeah. i guess that was a good enough hint
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
xxSK8rGUy277xx
Profile Joined September 2010
300 Posts
March 21 2011 21:27 GMT
#25
lol church. never send 2 messages bro it sounds needy
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
March 21 2011 21:28 GMT
#26
Sorry to say bro, but you probably missed your shot on Feb 27th, that's the first Sunday after you started talking to her. She didn't see you then obviously, so she gave up waiting. Really you should have made sure to find her that very next Sunday after you spoke. Then had you made a good impression you probably wouldn't have seemed super creepy. But the problem is it seems like you missed church for two or three Sundays, and she just moved on. Next time, dude. Keep your head up and have a good day!
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DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
March 21 2011 21:43 GMT
#27
Not sure how old you guys are but your messaging comes across as really insecure (esp. Mar 13 and the last one - wtf?). It's usually best to keep it brief and to the point. As someone said earlier - stop apologizing unnecessarily. Also, you need to move from facebook to real life ASAP.
Why haven't you gone to meet her after church service? She's given you two opportunities to do so and she was probably expecting to see you.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
March 21 2011 22:16 GMT
#28
Now that it's happened to you, you can make not-really-helpful realist posts on other people's girl blogs, as the grizzled veteran of ten thousand emotional battle scars that you now are. Congrats and good luck on the next one .
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
March 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#29
She probably cast her net wide (3-4 guys) and caught a fish before you closed the deal. Now she has to cut loose the 2-3 other guys she had on her line. Wow this fishing analogy is really going the distance.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
March 21 2011 22:41 GMT
#30
So what dude? Even the best pick up artists have only a roughly 10-20% scoring rate. Just find the next girl, keep positive, adios!

PS, if you apply the theory of "Psycho Cybernetics" to the means of achieving that goal, you will succeed.
Aah thats the stuff..
TheLardyGooser
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada145 Posts
March 22 2011 01:39 GMT
#31
Here's my scoop,

You definitely got off to a good start, she was curious, interested and by all accounts willing to meet up with you at the church after the initial few exchanges. Especially the "maybe I'll remember if I see you" part.

After that you just got too pushy, which for a girl who has no idea who you are, who you were talking to over facebook, is way too forward. You should've found out when she was going to be there, approached her with confidence and charmed like crazy.

I don't think your chances are completely gone though, just go to the church, introduce yourself and play it really casual, you never know, this whole thing could just wind up being a fun story you tell her later on
"Dust bit makes mountains"
O.Golden_ne
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia204 Posts
March 22 2011 04:59 GMT
#32
np bro. good luck.

cool chicks are hard too find, but the easiest way to get out of a rough patch IMO is too just get outside. dont meet girlies out on the town, they're not good sorts. meet chicks at uni, and in IRL. the internet and nightclubs are the realm of the creep and the bootycall.

all this being said, i met my new gf at a nightclub and we didnt exchange numbers but she asked me to add her on facebook on her iPhone. lol. idk, the world works in funny ways, just fake it till you make it. people are attracted to people who are confident, and have direction.so getting outside and being active is the best thing for meeting someone.
Like a baneling in a mineral line
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 05:39:22
March 22 2011 05:22 GMT
#33
i have since gotten rid of her from facebook and msn and i just want to move on. the thing is its very easy to be giving advice and saying the right stuff after all that's happened but when you're in the heat of the moment and the conditions that come at you which you have no control, then its a much different situation to be in.

if i could, i would have wanted to make all the right moves but i guess you don't get a rewind and replay button in life.

edit: but still, i'm really thankful for all you guys who readily responded to me and said the truth and the reality of things. sometimes its easy to get caught up in so many misconceptions and perceptions through your own thoughts. thanks for clearing things up for me guys. i'm eternally grateful.
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1837 Posts
March 22 2011 06:19 GMT
#34
You'll live to tell. You're completely right, getting caught up in the heat of the moment can be hard.. but each little bit of experience simply builds you up for the next one, and as you gain confidence and mental toughness, you'll be able to conquer that.

I've been in the same exact spot and have been one of those people to make girl blogs, so I know how ya feel. In the past two years or so I've been sad quite a bit.. but it's got me to the point where I'm suddenly really optimistic about life and happy all the time. And I would never be this way had I never had my heart broken a few times.

Good luck, my friend.
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 22 2011 06:25 GMT
#35
On March 22 2011 15:19 GoShox wrote:
You'll live to tell. You're completely right, getting caught up in the heat of the moment can be hard.. but each little bit of experience simply builds you up for the next one, and as you gain confidence and mental toughness, you'll be able to conquer that.

I've been in the same exact spot and have been one of those people to make girl blogs, so I know how ya feel. In the past two years or so I've been sad quite a bit.. but it's got me to the point where I'm suddenly really optimistic about life and happy all the time. And I would never be this way had I never had my heart broken a few times.

Good luck, my friend.

i like this very much. its great to have people whom you can relate to all the best to you too.
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
March 22 2011 14:47 GMT
#36
On March 22 2011 14:22 JMave wrote:
i have since gotten rid of her from facebook and msn and i just want to move on. the thing is its very easy to be giving advice and saying the right stuff after all that's happened but when you're in the heat of the moment and the conditions that come at you which you have no control, then its a much different situation to be in.

if i could, i would have wanted to make all the right moves but i guess you don't get a rewind and replay button in life.

edit: but still, i'm really thankful for all you guys who readily responded to me and said the truth and the reality of things. sometimes its easy to get caught up in so many misconceptions and perceptions through your own thoughts. thanks for clearing things up for me guys. i'm eternally grateful.

Getting caught up in the heat of the moment speaks volumes about your approach. This is because this feeling is due to one or a combination of the following emotions: inexperience, naivete, fear, inadequacy, desperation, or excessive passion. Whichever applies to you is your vice, your enemy - you need to prevent it from controlling your thoughts, and therefore actions, making them "heated" [sic] (I would prefer brash). A cool and careful mind comes with practice and restraint. I like how you revealed your lack of ability to do so by pointing a finger at everyone else as a group, saying "You're no better than me! If you were in my place you would fuck up too!" Sorry JMave, referring to the aforementioned list of attraction vices, this is a sign of your naivete. I am glad that your edit aims to appease us after you try to bring us down to your level, it shows that you have the ability to make rational thoughts, if only after a brash response (your first paragraph, your interrogation of this girl, your flustered response to your first meeting with her - all examples of this).

Best of luck, and keep that finger at yourself, not others.
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JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 22 2011 22:58 GMT
#37
On March 22 2011 23:47 Murderotica wrote:
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On March 22 2011 14:22 JMave wrote:
i have since gotten rid of her from facebook and msn and i just want to move on. the thing is its very easy to be giving advice and saying the right stuff after all that's happened but when you're in the heat of the moment and the conditions that come at you which you have no control, then its a much different situation to be in.

if i could, i would have wanted to make all the right moves but i guess you don't get a rewind and replay button in life.

edit: but still, i'm really thankful for all you guys who readily responded to me and said the truth and the reality of things. sometimes its easy to get caught up in so many misconceptions and perceptions through your own thoughts. thanks for clearing things up for me guys. i'm eternally grateful.

Getting caught up in the heat of the moment speaks volumes about your approach. This is because this feeling is due to one or a combination of the following emotions: inexperience, naivete, fear, inadequacy, desperation, or excessive passion. Whichever applies to you is your vice, your enemy - you need to prevent it from controlling your thoughts, and therefore actions, making them "heated" [sic] (I would prefer brash). A cool and careful mind comes with practice and restraint. I like how you revealed your lack of ability to do so by pointing a finger at everyone else as a group, saying "You're no better than me! If you were in my place you would fuck up too!" Sorry JMave, referring to the aforementioned list of attraction vices, this is a sign of your naivete. I am glad that your edit aims to appease us after you try to bring us down to your level, it shows that you have the ability to make rational thoughts, if only after a brash response (your first paragraph, your interrogation of this girl, your flustered response to your first meeting with her - all examples of this).

Best of luck, and keep that finger at yourself, not others.


thanks for your advice. if it comes with practice, that means you'd have to go through it time and time again of failure to learn it right isnt it?
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Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 00:06:32
March 23 2011 00:04 GMT
#38
On March 23 2011 07:58 JMave wrote:
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On March 22 2011 23:47 Murderotica wrote:
On March 22 2011 14:22 JMave wrote:
i have since gotten rid of her from facebook and msn and i just want to move on. the thing is its very easy to be giving advice and saying the right stuff after all that's happened but when you're in the heat of the moment and the conditions that come at you which you have no control, then its a much different situation to be in.

if i could, i would have wanted to make all the right moves but i guess you don't get a rewind and replay button in life.

edit: but still, i'm really thankful for all you guys who readily responded to me and said the truth and the reality of things. sometimes its easy to get caught up in so many misconceptions and perceptions through your own thoughts. thanks for clearing things up for me guys. i'm eternally grateful.

Getting caught up in the heat of the moment speaks volumes about your approach. This is because this feeling is due to one or a combination of the following emotions: inexperience, naivete, fear, inadequacy, desperation, or excessive passion. Whichever applies to you is your vice, your enemy - you need to prevent it from controlling your thoughts, and therefore actions, making them "heated" [sic] (I would prefer brash). A cool and careful mind comes with practice and restraint. I like how you revealed your lack of ability to do so by pointing a finger at everyone else as a group, saying "You're no better than me! If you were in my place you would fuck up too!" Sorry JMave, referring to the aforementioned list of attraction vices, this is a sign of your naivete. I am glad that your edit aims to appease us after you try to bring us down to your level, it shows that you have the ability to make rational thoughts, if only after a brash response (your first paragraph, your interrogation of this girl, your flustered response to your first meeting with her - all examples of this).

Best of luck, and keep that finger at yourself, not others.


thanks for your advice. if it comes with practice, that means you'd have to go through it time and time again of failure to learn it right isnt it?

I'll make an analogy. When you are practicing as a striker for soccer, you shoot at the goal. Every time you miss, you readjust your approach and hopefully next time you score. However, you're not playing a game when you are practicing. There is more pressure and you might be physically under more stress when you're in the game, but that doesn't change the fact that you are just trying to put the ball into the net. Same concept here: you can practice your social skills in many places, and even if it's just a simulation, it helps you prepare for the real thing. If lack of confidence is an issue for you, then of course trying to get girls and failing over and over will be disheartening to you, to the point where you might give up. But how about striking up a conversation with some random person? Keeping them interested, becoming friends, etc., all prepare you for "hitting on" a girl.

EDIT: To add to the analogy, reading books about how to score a goal definitely helps, but unless you actually step out on the field you never will. So, get some theory, then practice, then score!
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JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 23 2011 00:56 GMT
#39
On March 23 2011 09:04 Murderotica wrote:
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On March 23 2011 07:58 JMave wrote:
On March 22 2011 23:47 Murderotica wrote:
On March 22 2011 14:22 JMave wrote:
i have since gotten rid of her from facebook and msn and i just want to move on. the thing is its very easy to be giving advice and saying the right stuff after all that's happened but when you're in the heat of the moment and the conditions that come at you which you have no control, then its a much different situation to be in.

if i could, i would have wanted to make all the right moves but i guess you don't get a rewind and replay button in life.

edit: but still, i'm really thankful for all you guys who readily responded to me and said the truth and the reality of things. sometimes its easy to get caught up in so many misconceptions and perceptions through your own thoughts. thanks for clearing things up for me guys. i'm eternally grateful.

Getting caught up in the heat of the moment speaks volumes about your approach. This is because this feeling is due to one or a combination of the following emotions: inexperience, naivete, fear, inadequacy, desperation, or excessive passion. Whichever applies to you is your vice, your enemy - you need to prevent it from controlling your thoughts, and therefore actions, making them "heated" [sic] (I would prefer brash). A cool and careful mind comes with practice and restraint. I like how you revealed your lack of ability to do so by pointing a finger at everyone else as a group, saying "You're no better than me! If you were in my place you would fuck up too!" Sorry JMave, referring to the aforementioned list of attraction vices, this is a sign of your naivete. I am glad that your edit aims to appease us after you try to bring us down to your level, it shows that you have the ability to make rational thoughts, if only after a brash response (your first paragraph, your interrogation of this girl, your flustered response to your first meeting with her - all examples of this).

Best of luck, and keep that finger at yourself, not others.


thanks for your advice. if it comes with practice, that means you'd have to go through it time and time again of failure to learn it right isnt it?

I'll make an analogy. When you are practicing as a striker for soccer, you shoot at the goal. Every time you miss, you readjust your approach and hopefully next time you score. However, you're not playing a game when you are practicing. There is more pressure and you might be physically under more stress when you're in the game, but that doesn't change the fact that you are just trying to put the ball into the net. Same concept here: you can practice your social skills in many places, and even if it's just a simulation, it helps you prepare for the real thing. If lack of confidence is an issue for you, then of course trying to get girls and failing over and over will be disheartening to you, to the point where you might give up. But how about striking up a conversation with some random person? Keeping them interested, becoming friends, etc., all prepare you for "hitting on" a girl.

EDIT: To add to the analogy, reading books about how to score a goal definitely helps, but unless you actually step out on the field you never will. So, get some theory, then practice, then score!


ok. thanks
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JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 23 2011 13:00 GMT
#40
well anyway guys, just an update.
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HER
It's cool. Anyway you seem to have thought that I was quite free or something like that, so just to let you know, I'm actually very busy now and hardly have time to come online. So don't misunderstand if you don't see me on msn or if I take a few days to reply your emails. Regarding meeting up, we'll see how it goes again if we ever happen to see each other online okay?
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Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
March 23 2011 13:52 GMT
#41
On March 23 2011 22:00 JMave wrote:
well anyway guys, just an update.
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HER
It's cool. Anyway you seem to have thought that I was quite free or something like that, so just to let you know, I'm actually very busy now and hardly have time to come online. So don't misunderstand if you don't see me on msn or if I take a few days to reply your emails. Regarding meeting up, we'll see how it goes again if we ever happen to see each other online okay?

Although it seems like things are looking better, I think she just feels bad so she wanted to make sure you didn't get hurt by any of her actions (past and future). This isn't as good as it may seem because - "we'll see how it goes again if we EVER happen to see each other ONLINE okay?" This just tells me that she doesn't really want to see you online again, and her preface ("If you don't see me on msn...") makes it seem to me like she is denying you in the nicest way she possibly can which is avoidance. Think about it logically - why would the discussion of meeting up be any different the next time you are both online? It wouldn't. She just doesn't want to say "No, never," to your face.

I could be wrong on this one because she might be the saint of forgiving and philanthropic pity, and therefore is just telling you how it is, although phrasing the last sentence poorly. However I find that to be highly unlikely.

Your best bet is to stop barking up this tree for a while, even if you see her online. Only talk to her after you've seen her online for a few times, and when you talk to her, make it productive. Be interesting, less desperate to meet up, etc. Next time you talk to her, I'd start with something like "I feel like I came off as a needy person last time and I'm not usually like that, sorry if I creeped you out," (whatever you feel comfortable saying to that effect). This shows you have understanding of her situation, which is an attractive quality in men. From then on you should try to be interesting and NEVER hint at meeting up in person, until many many conversations later. Picking up women over the internet through MSN chat and AIM is entirely possible because they are attracted to your persona, so once you meet in real life there is already a connection. On top of that, due to the nature of IM, you get a little more time to tweak what you say and this is like practice ;D GLHF
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
March 23 2011 14:05 GMT
#42
I would recommend you let that one slip and find another; she obviously has no idea who you are and the current impression she has of you is not a truly favorable one. This will affect your relationship with her from this day on.

Guys, make sure you remember very damn well that first impressions are always key.

Also, don't assume every girl out there knows what a troll or any other sort of on-line junk is. For christ's sake, don't bring shit up like that in a conversation with a girl; she's not your Starcraft practice partner or your 4chan user. Girls will definitely think you're a huge ass computer nerd by thinking your terms stem from pokemon or something along those lines.

Don't be pushy. Girls are excellent fags when it comes to taking things slower than rock deterioration. So give them their time. Don't expect to meet a chick and be dating her the week after (unless she just wants to fuck). If you date her a year after, you're doing great (3-4 years if Christian).

I got lazy. With that said, let that one slip and go find another one.
Elegance
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada917 Posts
March 23 2011 15:05 GMT
#43
You know I find it funny that I saw this blog a couple of days ago. I'm currently in the same situation (except, none of this crap has happened yet), and she's the one who added me.

So I was like "hmm she looks like a decent 8-8.5" So I waited a few days before shooting her a message saying "I think you added me. I dont think I know you?" which hints that it is sort of rude while coming off sounding casual. This is good as it gets her on the DEFENSIVE side, afterall she is the one who added me.

The reply from that was "You commented on my post on (insert mutual friend's name here)'s wall, about male nurses. So because you're the first one I know, I thought I'd add you. "

So I was just thinking to myself "Alright time to get into gear" So I tried to get her on the defensive again (even moreso this time) which coming off as a generally hillarious guy.

My response to that was "Oh wow you added me because I'm a male nurse? Not because of my delicious cooking abilities, my world renowned sheep herding skills or maybe even my personality? I am hurt. " Afterall, I was just having fun with it. I don't know her, she doesn't know me, so what if she thinks I'm a freak. Because I am a freak and I'm an asshole.

Turns out it was effective I guess as she in turn replied with another semi joke "I'm sorry. I didn't know those things until now! but i would love to watch you herd sheep sometime! "

Now I had to make her believe that SHE was the one hitting on me. (even though I caused this entire shit to happen). So i said "Haha slow down there (inset her name here), I don't perform for strangers. There's gotta be some trust first." Basically I'm telling her that she's getting too pushy and that she needs to slow down, again putting her on the defensive. That's pretty much it for now, gotta see how it escalates, just taking my sweet time.

Also all of my messages have been written roughly half of a day after her replies, afterall I'm a "busy" guy.

I'll let you know how this turns out. I guess what I'm trying to say, is let go of the whole romantic meetup/guy courting girl crap. Play some role reversal, be funny about it. Generally, just do this for fun. I'm having fun with it, I don't care whether it works or not, I don't fucking know this chick.
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
March 23 2011 16:39 GMT
#44
On March 24 2011 00:05 Elegance wrote:
You know I find it funny that I saw this blog a couple of days ago. I'm currently in the same situation (except, none of this crap has happened yet), and she's the one who added me.

So I was like "hmm she looks like a decent 8-8.5" So I waited a few days before shooting her a message saying "I think you added me. I dont think I know you?" which hints that it is sort of rude while coming off sounding casual. This is good as it gets her on the DEFENSIVE side, afterall she is the one who added me.

The reply from that was "You commented on my post on (insert mutual friend's name here)'s wall, about male nurses. So because you're the first one I know, I thought I'd add you. "

So I was just thinking to myself "Alright time to get into gear" So I tried to get her on the defensive again (even moreso this time) which coming off as a generally hillarious guy.

My response to that was "Oh wow you added me because I'm a male nurse? Not because of my delicious cooking abilities, my world renowned sheep herding skills or maybe even my personality? I am hurt. " Afterall, I was just having fun with it. I don't know her, she doesn't know me, so what if she thinks I'm a freak. Because I am a freak and I'm an asshole.

Turns out it was effective I guess as she in turn replied with another semi joke "I'm sorry. I didn't know those things until now! but i would love to watch you herd sheep sometime! "

Now I had to make her believe that SHE was the one hitting on me. (even though I caused this entire shit to happen). So i said "Haha slow down there (inset her name here), I don't perform for strangers. There's gotta be some trust first." Basically I'm telling her that she's getting too pushy and that she needs to slow down, again putting her on the defensive. That's pretty much it for now, gotta see how it escalates, just taking my sweet time.

Also all of my messages have been written roughly half of a day after her replies, afterall I'm a "busy" guy.

I'll let you know how this turns out. I guess what I'm trying to say, is let go of the whole romantic meetup/guy courting girl crap. Play some role reversal, be funny about it. Generally, just do this for fun. I'm having fun with it, I don't care whether it works or not, I don't fucking know this chick.

Yeah, keep us posted. XD
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