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yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-06 20:46:59
February 06 2011 20:45 GMT
#1
Ok right now I'm impressed.

there are 14,000 viewers on the streams listed on the right side on TL, that's a freakin' lot. Besides, Totalbiscuit is casting a tournament right now with 3K+ more viewers, which means around 17K viewers, pretty nice...

Could you guys list the biggest esports numbers you've heard about ? NO bullshit, NO PR, real numbers.
(like the Gom TV classic invitational when they claimed 1 million hits on the stream, yeah right)

Also, I don't use numbers on the course of the tournament, only the maximum amount of users at the same time, (no cumulative blabla).

CPL 2004 finals Counter-Strike:
HLTV - 52,000 viewers + stream (unknown)

ESWC 2006 finals Counter-Strike:
HLTV - 33,000 viewers + stream 30k viewers

Warcraft 3 - PGL2007 - (China)
PPTV (p2p stream) - 120,000 viewers (as said by the Chinese...)

GomTV Classic Invitational
GomTV (stream) - ????

I'd like more key numbers because I feel like the numbers we see right now really could attract massive advertising investments...


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NrG.NeverExpo
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2114 Posts
February 06 2011 20:48 GMT
#2
I was watching TLOpen yesterday when there were over 10k viewers on the stream. Its not a lot compared to those numbers but I thought that was pretty great!
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
February 06 2011 20:49 GMT
#3
I know 2005 proleague grand finals between SKT and KT got a ridiculous amount of people attending, forget the exact number though
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yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
February 06 2011 20:55 GMT
#4
On February 07 2011 05:49 SubtleArt wrote:
I know 2005 proleague grand finals between SKT and KT got a ridiculous amount of people attending, forget the exact number though


Korean events, especially TV events are very hard to judge but I know for sure that we overestimate MBCgame audience, if the Channel had so much viewers for SC:Bw, they wouldnt struggle so much for sponsors every MSL....
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xlep
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany274 Posts
February 06 2011 21:08 GMT
#5
I remember the casters of TSL2 talking about 20k viewers at some point of the final rounds (semis I believe). I've also seen day9 casts with 14k+ viewers around the release of sc2. Dunno any exact numbers though.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
February 06 2011 21:10 GMT
#6
On February 07 2011 05:55 yejin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 05:49 SubtleArt wrote:
I know 2005 proleague grand finals between SKT and KT got a ridiculous amount of people attending, forget the exact number though


Korean events, especially TV events are very hard to judge but I know for sure that we overestimate MBCgame audience, if the Channel had so much viewers for SC:Bw, they wouldnt struggle so much for sponsors every MSL....


They usually don't have too much trouble finding one. The only time they got one real late was last season afaik (and it's reasonably understandable why).
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uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-06 21:56:30
February 06 2011 21:53 GMT
#7
Hm in terms of streams/streamed events I remember:
- HDH Invitational had 25k+ and that was during beta
- IEM European Finals CS1.6 final had 31k+ peak
- ESL said they had over 900k unique viewers during the last IEM Global Finals (season IV I believe).
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
February 06 2011 22:30 GMT
#8
Boxer's first game in GSL 2 had an estimated 774,866 viewers on the Korean livestream. I'm not sure if that includes GOMTV.net figures (as well as GOMtv.com ones, the domestic Korean stream); it doesn't include restreams or people who watched the VODs as soon as they could.

That was an exceptional event, of course.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161872
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
February 06 2011 22:40 GMT
#9
I think Nazgul streaming SC2 beta the first day had more then 20k people watching, even when the game was very short (he won by making carriers, lol) and the screen flicker like hell.
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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-06 23:31:22
February 06 2011 22:49 GMT
#10
SKY Proleague grand final 2005(?) Has like 120k LIVE viewers and by live I mean watching it where the final take place not via tv or stream, you can still search the photo of the audience if you still don't believe. The only time I remember MSL got their late sponsor is a year ago and that's understandable. They usually got their sponsor quite easily.

And GOM did have 1million IP hit during the WHOLE Star Invitational, otherwise they wouldn't do the Gom classic for 3 seasons.
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Combine
Profile Joined July 2010
United States812 Posts
February 06 2011 23:00 GMT
#11
Yeah, and those stream numbers are just concurrent viewers at that time. There is a consistent movement of people off and onto the stream, would be interesting to see how many people connect to the stream during the duration.
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Trowabarton756
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States870 Posts
February 06 2011 23:58 GMT
#12
On February 07 2011 05:49 SubtleArt wrote:
I know 2005 proleague grand finals between SKT and KT got a ridiculous amount of people attending, forget the exact number though


>100,000 there was an article involving the coordinator and he said he wanted to go for over 1,000,000 in 2006(someone correct me if this wasn't right year was reading a translation of it on TL) or sometime after.
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Trowabarton756
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 00:21:10
February 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#13
On February 07 2011 08:58 Trowabarton756 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2011 05:49 SubtleArt wrote:
I know 2005 proleague grand finals between SKT and KT got a ridiculous amount of people attending, forget the exact number though


>100,000 there was an article involving the coordinator and he said he wanted to go for over 1,000,000 in 2006(someone correct me if this wasn't right year was reading a translation of it on TL) or sometime after.


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Sky Proleague Grand Final 2005 T1 vs KTF, around 120,000 people watching live
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 00:32:42
February 07 2011 00:27 GMT
#14
Off the top of my head I recall MLG saying that the SC2 stream was getting more viewers than the Halo 3 stream which had 30-40,000.

I don't have a source but i'll see if i can dig it up.

edit: Couldn't find any official MLG #'s
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
TheHunksta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States122 Posts
February 07 2011 00:35 GMT
#15
During the CS 1.6 grand finals in the recent IEM Europe finals there were 42k on the english stream and another 18k on the russian stream.
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
March 19 2012 02:09 GMT
#16
Sorry for pressing the issue, but I am doing an article on esports, and thought the numbers would be nice.

actually, gom's claim's are probably not far from the truth. Monocle magazine, back in 2007, said that 17 million south koreans were engaged in esports viewership and a story on mashable puts MLG annual viewership at 3.5 million. That's even more viewership than the super bowl, which stands at 2.1 million in 2011. ESL gets 15k viewers daily.
Gofarman
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada645 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 02:29:53
March 19 2012 02:29 GMT
#17
You just bumped an thread that is over 1 year old, if you want numbers that are recent there are tonnes of threads about it and likely liquipedia has records on tournaments, use them.
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